Should Possible Stein-Russia Ties Also Be Investigated?

[George 2]

The entire campaign I was disgusted at how Jill Stein seemed more intent on bashing and hurting HRC than on defeating Donald Trump. I recall Stein sitting at the table with Flynn and Putin at the RT celebration. [link:|

I'd like this looked into, to see if there's a Stein angle to the Trump-Putin situation.

[Chasstev365]

1. Dude; let it go!

2016 is over!

Let's concentrate on keeping the Trump/GOP numbers low, not let the Trump/Russia story die, and retake back Congress in 2018!

[still_one]

4. This is NOT about the primaries. This is about Trump/Russia story, and Stein is up to her neck in

it. If for nothing else for her coming to the defense of the Russians by saying they weren't involved from what she could see in interfering in the election.

She made herself part of it

In fact she might even be a material witness since she was at the same table with Putin and Flynn

[NewRedDawn]

46. Agree

She is part of the coup either knowingly or unknowingly . She took 2-3% of Hillary's vote in the rust belt states that tipped the election to Traitor don Trumpolini

[we can do it]

7. Fuck stein

[mvd]

9. That is my opinion also

My focus is on Trump, and if something about Stein leaks out, we can talk about it then. But I really think she was there on a peace mission. Even some Dems met with Russians just because they represent this country. There's nothing bad there like there is with Trump colluding with Russia.

[lagomorph777]

47. Agreed - Her name may pop up in the investigation and that's fine,

but the serious priority is to clean away Trumputin and the Reputin party as quickly as possible.

If she can be turned into a witness against Дональд Trump, then absolutely I hope they get her on something.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. Why? If she was not complicit then there's nothing to worry about

[pnwmom]

12. If Putin was trying to use both Stein and DT against the US, then we need to know it. n/t

[NurseJackie]

16. Not even if your life depended on it.

[yardwork]

43. I find it interesting how people panic at the thought of investigating Stein's ties to Putin.

Why wouldn't we all want to know the extent of a foreign power's interference in our election? I'm genuinely puzzled. Are people embarrassed about their previous support of Stein?

[TexasBushwhacker]

2. Stein isn't an elected official or government employee n/t

[still_one]

6. no, but she could be a material witness, since she was seen in the presence of Putin and Flynn

[TexasBushwhacker]

18. That's true n/t

[democratisphere]

3. Yes she should be investigated. The entire situation smells like massive corruption.

Stein's behavior is bazaar.

[Docreed2003]

5. This won't be a popular sentiment...

But Stein does have ties to Russia. I don't believe in coincidences and she had a lovely dinner in Russia with Michale Flynn and Putin. I think she was an easy mark and I think she used her position again and again to try to leach off voters, particularly Bernie voters. If anyone needs proof, I'd suggest looking at the tweets she sent during Bernie's consolation speech with Hillary in NH. What did she do? She blasted Bernie for not being a true liberal and joining the "green" cause, and then encouraged his people to shift their support to her. I know this as a Bernie primary supporter, who watched this real time! She went on to choose a running mate who had gone out of his way to trash Sanders in the past and used him to suggest "See, he's just a mouthpiece of the DNC machine". It worked on many, hell this site lost many over similar bullshit claims....and many are still fightinging the primary today without stepping back and looking at the bigger picture. Yes, Bernie ran when Warren didn't because he wanted to pull the party to the left, yes there were some in the party establishment who had issue with that but it wasn't a grand conspiracy, yes Bernie put his support behind Hillary...even if it was late and even if he was being stubborn, but, at the end of the day, Stein tried to capitalize again and again on Bernie's following. Why? She had no hope of becoming president and, frankly, she showed her true intentions when she suggested that Trump was a better option than Clinton.

I realize, in retrospect, that during the primaries things were heated here and we had our fair share of disagreements. I realize there are many who will never forgive Bernie, despite whatever he might have done then or going forward. But I will say this, I'm a leftist in many regards and I saw many lured by the hopes of "the perfect" and they were "brainwashed" into becoming Trump supporters, either overtly or covertly. I saw clearly, that there was disregard from the far left regarding "Russian interference" in the summer, and I knew then that many on the far left had been compromised by Russian propaganda. Frankly, I think there was an obvious movement to stoke flames amongst liberals to divide us.

Now, who headed that movement and fostered discontent on the left? The same person who chose to travel to Russia and have a meal with Putin and Flynn. Jill Stein is a laughingstock, for many reasons, and I will go to my grave beliving that she received a hefty monetary donation from the Russians, given the shenanigans she pulled during the campaign.

[yardwork]

44. Good post.

[jrthin]

8. Yes! Russian

Money funded her campaign. And if that's the case, she allowed herself to be used by a foreign government to affect our election.

[PDittie]

23. Not legal

No proof.

[jrthin]

34. How do you get

To sit at a table with Putin and Flynn? She was at the dinner table sitting next to Putin, not in the room with Putin, but sitting at his table. HMMMMM.

[PDittie]

36. I don't know

I don't believe you do, either.

[jrthin]

38. And since neither of us know

For sure, we need to investigate why Stern (a third party candidate) was seated next to Putin. And there was an article on DU that talked about Russian money flowing into Stern's campaign. I want to know what happened. I also want to know why she gets to keep the money that many donated for a recount in Dec 2016.

[PDittie]

58. Her name isn't Stern

And she wasn't seated next to Putin.

[Demsrule86]

26. Wouldn't she declare herself a foreign agent if she took money?

Hopefully if this is true...the Greens who are not green but spoilers will be marginalized to the point they don't help Republicans.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. Yes

[ecstatic]

13. Yep! Notice how she disappeared into the woodwork (with the millions $$ she raised)

The candidates with pure/sincere intentions haven't disappeared into the woodwork. We're still hearing from Hillary, Bernie, and Evan McMullen. But Jill (and Gary Johnson too, now that I think about it)? It's like they never existed. Investigate and lock them up along with Trump and Flynn, if it comes to that.

[Maru Kitteh]

14. The difference here I think is Stein was simply more stupid than evil

She's an asshole, and complete buffoon, but I am so far of the belief that she was more like a marionette that didn't know she was dancing on a set of strings.

She was used. Willingly, with a doofy-assed smile on her face the whole time. So in the end, she was a deplorable too, just from the loony left instead of the rabid right.

[Demsrule86]

28. She is a doctor...I don't think so. She knew what she was doing.

I have never met a stupid doctor.

[Maru Kitteh]

37. Really? I've met several, doctors you practially had to draw pictures for.

Doctors that regularly drove their colleagues nuts and killed patients with their stupidity fairly often.

This idea that doctors are smart because they are doctors is flawed. You don't have to be especially brilliant to become an MD. You have to be motivated. You have to be willing to forgo having any life at all for several years, and endure a very limited one for many more. You need the resources and support to make it through those years. You have to be willing to put in the work. You do not need to be sharpest tool in the kit.

Just remember, half of the doctors you meet graduated in the lower half of their class, and a few of them graduated at the bottom.

ETA: I'm not against having her investigated. It would be quite helpful if she were sullied by an investigation and could help in exposing right-wing and back-channel foreign support of the Green party. I would love to see that happen. I just don't think she was much more than a dopey, willing tool in the Russian/Trump collaboration. She's an idiot who falls for every conspiracy and bit of woo that crosses her path, making her ripe for the picking, the perfect tool of the Russians.

[Demsrule86]

49. You have a point...but as I said in a later post ...look how she played us with the recount.

I have listened to her on Tom Hartman's program...she is not stupid in my opinion...can she be flattered by the Russians and duped ...sure. But it is also possible that she was in on it...her job to siphon votes away from Hillary during the election.

[jrthin]

39. Ben Carson rings any bell? nt

[Maru Kitteh]

42. Bingo.

The man has forever discredited the colloquial expression "It doesn't take a brain surgeon."

[Demsrule86]

48. She is not like Carson...look how she played us with the recount...put money in her coffers.

[Maru Kitteh]

54. Which proves she lacks basic morality. A willingness to cheat vulnerable people

is not an indicator of intelligence. It's an indicator of a poorly functioning internal compass.

I'll grant you, she's absolutely not the kind of stupid that necessitates instructions on the back of shampoo bottles - I'll even grant that she may be the poster child for dysrationalia - but many of her words and actions betray to me a mind not particularly adept at discernment, problem-solving or the long game. She does stupid, and she does it fairly often.

[Demsrule86]

56. She lacks morality for sure...and I hope they investigate her too...they

may already have looked into it since she knows flynn.

[jrthin]

57. You've got a point there. nt

[Foamfollower]

29. I disagree. She's definitelly evil, not stupid.

[Maru Kitteh]

31. I loathe the woman, and agree that she deliberately did evil things.

She also does some things that are smart, like bilking people out of millions of dollars on a fake recount effort when they are emotionally vulnerable. That was smart, and evil.

But in the matter of Russian interference, I think she was just a stupid, easily manipulated and useful tool - as was a small, but unfortunate percentage of the puritarian, unicorn-humping left.

Make no mistake, the woman may be possessing of an IQ very slightly above average, but smart people can be very stupid, something she demonstrates regularly, with aplomb.

[L. Coyote]

15. Only if she tapped Trump's wires.

[NurseJackie]

17. Yes. Absolutely.

[truebluegreen]

19. Haven't we got better things to do?

[KingCharlemagne]

32. Protecting our Latino and Muslim comrades, for example. - nt

[truebluegreen]

35. Yes. Nt

[jrthin]

40. I can't think of anything

better to and for our republic than to understand how foreign governments are undermining our elections.

[truebluegreen]

53. Yah I'm sure Jill Stein is a Big Player.

[Lucinda]

20. Yep. Absolutely.

[Cha]

21. Yeah, why does stein get a free pass?

And, why are some insistent she does?

[Mr. Ected]

22. I want every single candidate, Congressperson, and straggler drawn into this investigation

I want the net to catch every single one of them.

I want all of them to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I want their sentences to be severe and for each one of them to die in prison.

I pray there's not a single Democrat on the list, but if there is, so be it.

We need to drain the swamp, all right. We need to drain it of Russian operatives playing America's citizens like a Stradivarius.

[RandiFan1290]

24. Anything to avoid talking about the dumpster, eh? nt

[jmg257]

25. Sure - why not? She was engaging the Russians too, according to the Dossier...

Kremlin engaging with several high profile US players, including STEIN, PAGE and (former DIA Director
Michael and funding their recent visits to Moscow

Details
...
4. Speaking separately, also in early August 2016, a Kremlin official involved in US relations commented
on aspects of the Russian operation to date. its goals ha been threefold- US actors
how Moscow could help them,- gathering relevant intelligence; and creating and disseminating
compromising information ("kompromat&quot . This had involved the Kremlin supporting various US political
figures, including funding indirectly their recent visits to Moscow. S/he named a delegation from
Lyndon LaRouche, presidential candidate Jill STEIN of the Green Party; TRUMP foreign policy adviser Carter and former DIA Director Michael in this regard and as successful In terms of perceived outcomes.

[Foamfollower]

27. ABSOLUTELY!!!!

There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that Jill Stein colluded with the Russians.

[Raster]

30. No, good lord. She was a useful idiot, nothing more.

Hell, if they'd paid for my airfare, hotel and a nice stipend, I would have attended the RT dinner. Depending on the generosity of the stipend, I may have even led a rousing standing ovation for Vlad.

[jrthin]

41. I wouldn't. Character matters. n/t

[Raster]

45. My comment is mostly sarcasm... no need to persecute Stein...

...and I am NOT a Stein fan whatsoever, but my gut tells me she's just an attention-seeking polictitute. There are bigger fish to fry. Sure, shame her, put he the corner and never let her within 10 feet of a microphone... she will wither on the vine.

[kentuck]

33. Only if they paid her to stay in the race.

Then, that would be problematic.

[msanthrope]

50. Start with her connection to Roger Stone. nt

[Chevy]

51. Careful you'll be swarmed by Sanders supporters

they're very defenfensive of Stein for some reason. Wonder why? Tad Devine perhaps.

[Panich52]

52. She was at that same table w/ Putin that Flynn was.

Daily Kos

Jill Stein's Connection to Putin
Nov 22, 2016 by Quaid

You may have read reports about Michael Flynn, Trump’s National Security Advisor, turned heads by attending the Russian State owned TV Gala as Putin’s guest and by making semi-regular appearances on Russian TV. www.politico.com/… But, you may be surprised at who was also at the dinner as Putin’s guest, Jill Stein of the Green party. You can see her in the above picture. She admits to meeting with Putin.

Like Michael Flynn, Jill Stein also calls for “collaboration with Putin” and has been criticized for remaining silent on his human right’s violations. www.jill2016.com… americablog.com… Russia’s Green activists allege that she is an “accomplice” with Putin according to Newsweek magazine. www.newsweek.com… Some believe that she was actively working with Putin to help influence our election in favor of Trump by stealing votes away from Hillary.

More
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/22/1603031/-Jill-Stein-s-Connection-to-Putin

[MineralMan]

55. I think ANY presidential candidate from 2016 who has

Russian ties should be investigated. That includes Stein, and Johnson if he had such ties. All presidential candidates had an influence on the election and its outcome. So, all should be investigated if there is any indication of ties to the Russians.

Why wouldn't they be? Stein was the candidate of the Green Party. Votes she got were votes the other candidates did not get, so they had an impact on the outcome of the Election. If Russia was truly trying to influence the election and if they had materially supported Stein, then that is relevant to the investigation.

In more than one state, the number of votes received by Stein were enough to exceed the margin of victory in those states. Effect? Yes, I'd say there was an effect.

And if people don't like my position, they're welcome to counter it if they can.