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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:16 AM Mar 2017

Thank you administrators. I never expected to see a defense of Trump's ersatz Muslim Ban here.

The reason it is being continually struck down is because justices are looking at the legislative intent of the framers of the order and the primary intent in their eyes is to ban Muslims:


A federal judge in Hawaii put a nationwide freeze on President Trump’s revised travel ban on Wednesday, hours before it would have gone into effect. In his decision granting the temporary restraining order, Federal District Judge Derrick Watson rejected the government’s argument that the travel restrictions did not amount to a Muslim ban, and that only probing Trump’s “veiled psyche” and “secret motives” would turn up evidence of religious discrimination.

Watson agreed that it’s wrong to undertake a “judicial psychoanalysis of a drafter’s heart of hearts,” but he said he didn’t have to. “There is nothing ‘veiled’ about this press release: ‘Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,’” the judge wrote. He continued:

Nor is there anything “secret” about the Executive’s motive specific to the issuance of the Executive Order: Rudolph Giuliani explained on television how the Executive Order came to be. He said: “When [Mr. Trump] first announced it, he said, ‘Muslim ban.’ He called me up. He said, ‘Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.’”

On February 21, 2017, commenting on the then-upcoming revision to the Executive Order, the President’s Senior Adviser, Stephen Miller, stated, “Fundamentally, [despite “technical” revisions meant to address the Ninth Circuit’s concerns in Washington,] you’re still going to have the same basic policy outcome [as the first].”

These plainly worded statements, made in the months leading up to and contemporaneous with the signing of the Executive Order, and, in many cases, made by the Executive himself, betray the Executive Order’s stated secular purpose. Any reasonable, objective observer would conclude, as does the Court for purposes of the instant Motion for TRO, that the stated secular purpose of the Executive Order is, at the very least, “secondary to a religious objective” of temporarily suspending the entry of Muslims.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/03/after-travel-ban-setback-trump-further-undermines-his-case.html
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Thank you administrators. I never expected to see a defense of Trump's ersatz Muslim Ban here. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 OP
So is defending it here? uppityperson Mar 2017 #1
I thanked the administrator for removing the thread. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #2
Rats, sorry I missed that. Coventina Mar 2017 #5
He misinterpreted Alan Dershowitz DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #10
Thank you for the clarification. Could be it was hidden and automatically removed. uppityperson Mar 2017 #7
It was. Disappeared into the ether. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #11
Someone was defending that here?! herding cats Mar 2017 #3
Not any more. Please see Post 2 DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #4
Ah! In that case, I second your feelings of appreciation of the admin here. herding cats Mar 2017 #8
Missed it malaise Mar 2017 #6
Getting plenty of coverage muriel_volestrangler Mar 2017 #9

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. I thanked the administrator for removing the thread.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:20 AM
Mar 2017

Naming the person would be a clear violation of the rules of this board and gratuitously mean. Hopefully the poster has seen the error of his or her ways.

Coventina

(27,116 posts)
5. Rats, sorry I missed that.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:24 AM
Mar 2017


I have a student who is directly affected by the ban.

It totally sucks.....

I would have liked to give them a piece of my mind!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. He misinterpreted Alan Dershowitz
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:34 AM
Mar 2017

Dershowitz said if President Obama proposed a similar order it would have passed constitutional muster. That is because President Obama didn't promise to ban Muslims from entering the U S.

malaise

(268,987 posts)
6. Missed it
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:26 AM
Mar 2017

Funny -this isn't getting coverage anywhere - wonder why? See the last sentence of the snip.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/16/school-shooting-in-french-town-of-grasse-sparks-terror-alert
<snip>
Armed teenager arrested after school shooting in French town of Grasse
A 17-year-old pupil has been arrested after a shooting at a high school in the southern French town of Grasse, in which several people were wounded.

The teenager, who was armed with a rifle, two handguns and two grenades, was a student at the Alexis de Tocqueville high school, where he allegedly opened fire, targeting the headteacher.

The interior ministry spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet said eight people had been injured and it was too early to know the motive behind the attack.

Christian Estrosi, the rightwing head of the Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur region, said terrorism was “not at all” the line of investigation in the inquiry.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,312 posts)
9. Getting plenty of coverage
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:32 AM
Mar 2017

In The Guardian, as you saw; prominent on the BBC. No one dead, however, and he's already arrested. 6th on CNN International's headlines.

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