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NRaleighLiberal

(60,022 posts)
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:31 PM Mar 2017

Gem from TPM - "A Lot Came Unglued Last Night"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-lot-came-unglued-last-night--2

By JOSH MARSHALL Published MARCH 16, 2017, 11:21 AM EDT

There was a flurry of statements, recognitions and un-promises over the course of last night on the same front. Yesterday Vice President Pence tried to assuage Republican concerns that President Trump has had an at best diffident approach to his support of the House repeal bill. Coming out of that meeting, Rep. Kevin Cramer (R-ND) told reporters, "This president is ready to put the full weight of his bully pulpit and all of his tools [behind the bill]. It was very important for us to hear that, because there are a lot of people who need that shoring up.”

This has been a very real and justified concern for the members who have to vote on this bill and face voters in less than two years. As we've discussed, President Trump's grasp of the details of health care policy is so thin, his ideology so protean and his narrow self-interest so total that any Republican on Capitol Hill has to be highly concerned he'll abandon them in the lurch. Something like that seemed to happen last night. When Tucker Carlson pressed Trump on how the bill would hurt his own core supporters, the President said in so many words that yeah, the bill may suck and if it does he won't sign it.

Good luck to anyone foolish enough to vote for a bill the President himself may turn against.

Then Speaker Paul Ryan, who has been saying that this is the bill and it ain't changing, suddenly said this bill actually can't pass the House.

Clearly the GOP leadership, in both chambers, is realizing that something with this bill will need to change. But the problem goes deeper than this. It's not simply that the plan appears to need major changes to pass. The issue is that it will require changes in what look like two, irreconcilable directions. Each side might be capable of some bargaining and compromise. But it's not to me how the compromises that might be possible with the House 'Freedom Caucus' members get anywhere near the ones demanded by Senators who have to face real electorates.

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Nitram

(22,890 posts)
1. Any change to the bill will lose as many votes as it gains.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 01:18 PM
Mar 2017

Republicans were only united against the ACA, not on what kind of health insurance the government should back, if any.

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
2. "two, irreconcilable directions"
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 01:52 PM
Mar 2017

The bill is publicly unpopular even among Trump voters because it goes in the wrong direction of his promise to cover more people for less cost. And elected Rethugs will have a price to pay at the polls when people lose their health insurance.

The bill is very unpopular among rightwing ideologues who don't want ANY kind of government "entitlement" program that requires taxes or imposes rules on corporations.

The clash between these opposing forces was very predictable. What comes of it remains to be seen.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
4. Gerrymandering keeps the far-right in power.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:40 PM
Mar 2017

The far-right representatives don't seem to have real constituencies. They appear to be immune to what real people think.

Gerrymandering or purely stolen elections, I don't know.

Cosmocat

(14,574 posts)
14. Two sides - both sides know how horrible it is
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 03:37 PM
Mar 2017

one said, as the article noted, mostly senators, see a potentially career ending bill and need it to be less horrible.

The other side knows how horrible it is, and in their insanely safe house districts need it to be even more horrible.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
5. I guess they, the people,
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:42 PM
Mar 2017

not the Congress realized that the "access" people would be completely void of any insurance.

The BS meme that all people will be available to get insurance, but they won't be able to afford, which is of course the purpose of the exercise.

Since the Repukes are beginning they will be contested in '18, they had damn well better do what's right for at least this issue.

Now lets see if that BS budget makes through.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
6. I always figured he was going to get even for the Republican lack of support
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:47 PM
Mar 2017

during his campaign.

People say all you have to do is kiss his ass a little and he forgets the slights. I've never heard he forgets. I've heard he gets even and punished his perceived enemies.

I can see him vetoing Paul Ryan's bill and telling his base it's because he's looking out for them. His true reason will be to see Paul Ryan fall hard on his face.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
8. The Reps don't care, because of their gerrymandered districts
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:52 PM
Mar 2017

But the Senators have to pay attention to their constituents or risk being voted out.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. Keep reminding people of the promises Candidate Trump made
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:57 PM
Mar 2017

As late as January 15, 2017, President Elect Trump was guaranteeing that there would be insurance for everybody. Before that, as a candidate, he was promising that his health care plan was going to be cheaper, cover more people, offer more services, and be enacted promptly.

Since then? Well, he has admitted publicly that health care is a wee bit more complicated than he was letting on. Don't let him off the hook. Keep quoting Trump's own words back at him and his followers. Are they going to settle for anything less than what Trump has been promising? If they knew he was just blowing smoke the whole time, why did they vote for him? Because he made really grandiose promises that sounded pleasing to them, even though everyone knew he couldn't possibly keep his word?

ffr

(22,672 posts)
11. Bait and switch.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 03:13 PM
Mar 2017

It's right there on page one of the republican "how to get elected" playbook.

Great of getting elected. Terrible at governing.

ffr

(22,672 posts)
10. WH has a link for ACA horror story testimonials
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 03:11 PM
Mar 2017

So I wrote mine. How I loved my plan and how premium costs are kept down. Then I thanked PBO, Reid and Pelosi for going the mile to help their fellow American, in the face of such diversity from the other side of the isle.

In closing, I said maybe republicans should contact Pelosi about improving ACA to single payer. She seems to know how to get positive results.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
15. Shhhhhhhhh don't tell Donald but....
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 04:00 PM
Mar 2017

He could solve everything (and probably be re-elected in a landslide) by leapfrogging the Democrats (even Hillary said it was off the table) and pushing for universal health care with some form of single payer. Even if it were a private / public mix. This is one issue that he, at least in the past, has been open to looking at.

"Working out detailed plans will take time. But the goal should be clear: Our people are our greatest asset. We must take care of our own. We must have universal health care."

"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing. But implementing such a plan is not simple. One major problem is that the single-payer plan in Canada is in financial difficulty, as is the nationalized plan in the United Kingdom. We have to improve on the prototype."
-- The America We Deserve, 2000


It may take someone like Trump to convince his blinder wearing maniacal hordes to accept some form of national mandated insurance. After all he could literally shoot someone and they'd still adore him. As we all know, the exact same type of legislation as the ACA was proposed by the Heritage Foundation decades ago, and was implemented by Mitt Romney in his State. It was just that the black Democrat proposed and enacted it that they had a problem with.

If he had the balls to stand up to Ryan and the extreme right and libertarians and push for this and drag his glassy eyed supporters along with him, he'd probably waltz through the next election. So no one tell him please.

Actually it raises a good poll question,

Would having some form of public funded single payer (even if there were a private option) universal health care coverage (finally) be worth having Trump in charge for eight years? Because it ain't gonna happen if Pence or any other Republican is in charge, and the tea baggers etc. would always reject any single payer from a Democrat as being 'socialist' gov'mint takeover, the message helped along by 24/7 propaganda against it from hate radio and Fox News.

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