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niyad

(113,587 posts)
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:39 PM Mar 2017

Can a Feminist Be Pro-Life? Without abortion rights, there isn't a lot left to the fundamental idea

 Can a Feminist Be Pro-Life?


Without abortion rights, there isn’t a lot left to the fundamental ideals of equality and self-determination.

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Pro-life activists in front of the US Supreme Court in Washington, DC. (AP Photo / Olivier Douliery)


Is there such a thing as pro-life feminism? In January, New Wave Feminists, an anti-choice organization, was briefly listed as a sponsor on the website of the Women’s March on Washington. “Intersectional feminism is the future of feminism and of this movement,” said Bob Bland, one of the event’s co-chairs. “We must not just talk about feminism as one issue, like access to reproductive care.” Leaving aside the question of whether Bland understands what intersectionality means—pro-life is a political stance, not an identity or a social position—can feminism, a social-justice movement for women’s equality and human rights, encompass the belief that women should carry to term every fertilized egg, no matter the consequences? Lauren Enriquez, a PR manager with the anti-choice Human Coalition, thinks so. In a New York Times op-ed, “How the New Feminist Resistance Leaves Out American Women,” she argues that the movement’s “radical position on abortion” (i.e., supporting Roe v. Wade, the law of the land for almost half a century) cannot “unite American women…because it rejects the position that most American women take on 
abortion—that it should be completely illegal, or legal but with significant restrictions.” Never mind that the Knights of Columbus/Marist poll she cites is biased and that other polls show majorities in favor of choice (69 percent of Americans, according to Pew Research, support Roe), with only 15 percent supporting the Human Coalition’s position that abortion should be banned. Let’s also set aside the fact that the Human Coalition’s leadership is mostly male and heavy on conservative evangelical preachers, and that the group is closely tied to James Dobson, who promotes the Southern Baptist doctrine of wifely submission. Hard to see the feminism there.

There’s a larger issue than just numbers here: The Constitution is not a popularity contest. It is probably true that many women would support stricter abortion laws than now exist on paper—although when they actually have to vote on such, as in New Mexico’s failed 2013 referendum that would have closed two clinics that perform late-term abortions, they have often rejected them. It is probably also true that some of those women support other feminist goals, like equal pay, more women in political office, and stronger action against domestic violence and rape. But does that mean the women’s movement should soft-pedal or even drop its support for legal abortion? Noting that young people are only a bit more pro-choice than older ones, the Times’s David Leonhardt agrees with Enriquez on numerical grounds: “the progressive movement will be stronger if it’s willing to welcome abortion opponents.”

Not so fast. Like it or not, abortion rights are at tremendous risk right now. A political movement that doesn’t defend them and promotes instead some vague notion of “unity” is bound to be weak tea to the women who are the movement’s strongest activists. After all, nothing prevents anti-abortion women from being active in other feminist and progressive causes. Look at the Nuns on the Bus, who worked so hard to support the Affordable Care Act. It’s called coalition politics. If Enriquez wants to fight for the rights of battered women or lesbian mothers, no one is going to turn her away. Anti-abortion women were welcome to join the Women’s March, after all, and some did; they were just not welcome to formally sponsor it.

Rights and personal ethics are not the same. But restricting abortion is not compatible with respecting women’s autonomy. But there’s a larger issue here. The Constitution is not a popularity contest. No one would tell the ACLU that it should attract more members by championing prayer in public schools, a cause supported by 61 percent of respondents in a 2014 Gallup poll; the separation of church and state is simply too integral to the ACLU’s mission. Similarly, women’s constitutional right to decide for themselves when and if to become a mother is an essential part of feminism today. If you demand that every girl and woman who becomes pregnant bear a child no matter the consequences to herself, and if you call on the government to back that up through criminal law, there isn’t a lot left to the ideals of equality and self-determination that are fundamental to feminism. One sperm can derail a woman for life. The patriarchal religions that sustain the anti-abortion movement explicitly oppose those ideals and correctly recognize that reproductive rights are what make them possible.


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PS: If high-quality birth control were free and available to all, the abortion rate would go down. But where are the anti-choicers promoting that?

https://www.thenation.com/article/can-a-feminist-be-pro-life/

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Can a Feminist Be Pro-Life? Without abortion rights, there isn't a lot left to the fundamental idea (Original Post) niyad Mar 2017 OP
simple answer, no. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #1
exactly!! niyad Mar 2017 #2
I don't care what they call themselves. Solly Mack Mar 2017 #3
it does seem pretty obvious, doesn't it? I know a number of women who say they would niyad Mar 2017 #4
and that's why it is choice. Solly Mack Mar 2017 #7
a concept that seems beyond the comprehension of some. niyad Mar 2017 #8
It really is and I don't get that at all. Solly Mack Mar 2017 #9
Anyone can call themselves whatever they want. But words do have meaning. kcr Mar 2017 #5
so true. niyad Mar 2017 #6
I Know I Wouldn't Want To Spend Any Time. . . ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #10
would suspect that you are quite correct. I think my first two questions would be: have niyad Mar 2017 #11
And Yet, I Wouldn't Wait Around For The Answer ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #15
you are correct. would probably be a complete waste of time. niyad Mar 2017 #16
Nope. ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #12
exactly! niyad Mar 2017 #13
k and r dembotoz Mar 2017 #14
Fuck anybody who would return women to reproductive slavery, make us chattel, breeding stock. Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #17
agreed! niyad Mar 2017 #18
 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
1. simple answer, no.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:40 PM
Mar 2017

feminism is about the fundamental rights of women to make determinations of what to do with their lives and bodies. being antichoice goes against that very fundamental principle.

Solly Mack

(90,787 posts)
3. I don't care what they call themselves.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:56 PM
Mar 2017

If they don't respect the autonomy of choice then they still see themselves as second class, as subservient to others. (and that's not feminism)

I can call myself a duck. I can even quack and waddle about. But I'm still not a duck. Even if I could make common cause with actual ducks.

Good - work for the causes that make life better for women. But equality demands the autonomy of choice whether you like it or not.

My body: Don't hit me. It's not your right.
My body: Don't rape me or sexually assault me in any way. It's not your right.
My body: My choice. It's not your right.

I decide or I'll never really be free.

niyad

(113,587 posts)
4. it does seem pretty obvious, doesn't it? I know a number of women who say they would
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:01 PM
Mar 2017

never have an abortion, but. . . . and this is the important part--they would never dream of denying that choice to other women.

Solly Mack

(90,787 posts)
7. and that's why it is choice.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:05 PM
Mar 2017

Each woman makes their own choice without denying others the same right.

Solly Mack

(90,787 posts)
9. It really is and I don't get that at all.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:08 PM
Mar 2017

Because those same people demand choice in their lives. But they want me to adhere to their personal beliefs.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
5. Anyone can call themselves whatever they want. But words do have meaning.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:03 PM
Mar 2017

If someone calls themselves a feminist, people will assume they're pro-choice. The minute they clear that up, they'll show who they really are. They can keep deluding themselves if they want to, but it won't change anything in any meaningful way.

ProfessorGAC

(65,213 posts)
10. I Know I Wouldn't Want To Spend Any Time. . .
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:24 PM
Mar 2017

. . .talking about anything with those two young Borg women in that photo. I'd be passing out for boredom or enraged by stupidity in 10 seconds. And, that's just from looking at them with those silly signs.

niyad

(113,587 posts)
11. would suspect that you are quite correct. I think my first two questions would be: have
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:28 PM
Mar 2017

you taken sex ed? and, do you use contraceptives?

ProfessorGAC

(65,213 posts)
15. And Yet, I Wouldn't Wait Around For The Answer
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:50 PM
Mar 2017

The yelling while holding those silly signs make me believe they don't think things through. Yelling? OK at a rally. While holding that meaningless sign. Dumb.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
12. Nope.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:43 PM
Mar 2017

If you can't understand how core human rights are for women's bodies--you've just rebranded RW bullshit with the feminist tag.

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