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No, I mean seriously! I don't think I heard a president in my lifetime (Johnson on up) speak with so few different words (and I am not saying this in a good way) This is my third language and I think I have a bigger vocabulary than he does. I expect a president to be linguistically able to construct a decent sentence
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)True Dough
(17,303 posts)He clearly enunciated it for a change. It still sounds so unprofessional. Here's the supposed "leader of the free world" (sitting next to the woman who truly is now a candidate for that title) and he's claiming that he's going to make the American economy roar back "big league."
I think it makes matters worse that Drumpf follows on the heels of Barack Obama, a tremendous orator.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)......functionally illiterate...and I believe it. I think that's why his kids and other family members are so close to him alllllll the time.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Trump is not functionally illiterate. He does not have a limited vocabulary. He is not an idiot.
It's all an act.
Morons don't become billionaires and get elected President of the United States. Perpetuating the notion that Trump is some low-IQ rube is what got us here in the first place; standing outside the White House fence while he's inside destroying everything that liberals once held dear.
Continue underestimating this guy at your peril.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Yes lots of people can vote for stupid.
He got a start in life thanks to his Dad and he is not a brilliant businessman. He has a talent for self promotion and a con artist- he's a man of his time in that sense.
That is all.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Growing u many African are told you have to be "twice as good to get half as much"
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and respect? He was never accepted by his "peers" in NY, you know. Invited to some fund raisers, but otherwise laughed about and rejected whenever possible.
Economists say that if he'd simply put the money his father gave him in the same kind of investment funds we can he'd be far wealthier today. And he could have skipped all of the 3500 plus lawsuits he's been involved in, all the swindling, all the crimes that are documented committed even if not prosecuted.
Remember, this is a man who at 69 running for president literally and astonishingly had no idea that Congress can and very often does say no to the president, that THEY legislate, not him, and that THEY control the checkbook.
Rump does have talent, all right--the talent of a salesman to sell himself to naive people. And, as the years went on he developed the ability to become a populist leader by selling authoritarian political messages to ignorant and resentful people looking for a leader who spoke to their resentment. Very much like a child who learned what tones evoked what responses from parents, he learned what it was he said that made people cheer loudest. And loved it.
Sarah Palin was another. She had the same talent and, like Rump, was otherwise a bundle of inadequacies. Note that Bernie Sanders also has that talent to energize crowds of people, and he also became a populist leader, left-wing version, in the same era; but his ultimate capabilities we don't know.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)It is one of his strengths. He is still illiterate, rude, boorish, mean, sociopathic, blah, blah.
Us not taking him seriously, along with the world, may make it easier for him to destroy the world.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)As a teen in the 80s, I remember "amiable dunce." Reagan served two terms. Two decades later, Will Ferrell played GWB as a flat-out imbecile. Again, two terms. Are we shooting for the trifecta?
Trump may be rude, boorish, and mean but he is not illiterate. Dumb men do not get elected President.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)He is not well read, has a limited vocabulary. He is the best promoter in the world. He did have the intelligence, instincts, to figure out what he needed to do to get elected, a Karl Rove kind of thing, which was genius. He had the advantage, like Putin, of not being bothered by conscience or ethics. Huge advantage! No or little labor costs, when you don't pay your hard workers. That is irrelevant though, as his followers didn't just like him in spite of his lack of ethics, but partly because of it.
You are right, we have watched this movie before. I don't think you have to be really smart to get elected president. His people manage him tightly, because they know he bungles it. He practically ran the primary by himself though. That played to his strength. The skills to be elected are sometimes different than those needed to govern. Obama had both. Hillary had one, but not the other. Bush could get elected, but he was an awful prez, like trump. At least, Bush had more Competent people around him, with a few exceptions. Trump isn't secure enough to do that. The narcissistic personality plays in too.
LeftInTX
(25,288 posts)I don't think he is "into words" or their very specific meanings. I don't think he paid much attention to vocabulary in school.
I don't think he is stupid or illiterate.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Remember when Ivanka had her baby and he went off the rails. She had to hurry back.
gibraltar72
(7,503 posts)at best.
LOL Lib
(1,462 posts)leftstreet
(36,107 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)And eight of those are "fantastic."
niyad
(113,279 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)"failing"
niyad
(113,279 posts)hopeforchange2008
(610 posts)gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)but every time I hear that fucker yak, it's about 10-15 of the same words over and over again
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)For reference, the average native born speaker = 25K to 35K .
elfin
(6,262 posts)Does that count??
lunatica
(53,410 posts)gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)and Bush was pretty stupid
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)FSogol
(45,481 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)He has the best words.
trof
(54,256 posts)Maybe just not a lot of them.
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gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)And his base reads at a 3rd grade level.
gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)nolabear
(41,960 posts)I've watched him use his big boy words fairly ( not eloquently) well when he's on familiar ground and devolve into simply echoing his stock cliches of rage and victimhood in his toddleresque babble when he gets pricked in that thin, thin skin.
gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)that's how I have seen it too
Stinky The Clown
(67,796 posts)and not at all bright. More a lizard brain than intellect.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Siwsan
(26,260 posts)May I borrow, please????
unblock
(52,206 posts)certainly he was far more fluid and coherent in his speech in earlier days.
some of his psychological issues were his throughout his life, but i think there's been some clear deterioration over time as well.
gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)unblock
(52,206 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)I didnt but this is who he is and always has been.
unblock
(52,206 posts)certainly he's always been a bigot and a sexist pig and an *sshole and an inept businessman and hopelessly egocentric.
maybe it has something to do with, as others have noted, his discomfort in his the political arena. his speech certainly wasn't this bad decades ago when he would talk about real estate.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)And no curiosity about anything, shallow, dumb and mean.
gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)And he doesn't use most of them very much.
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,974 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)better English than he does. Not to mention his wife. Geez, I study Spanish before a trip to Mexico to talk with the locals, and I'm a private person. This woman has known for two years that either she could become first lady and now she is first lady, and she doesn't even have tutors. She has been here 20 years.
C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)GWC58
(2,678 posts)limited, period!! 🤣
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Limited to mostly monosyllabic words
Cha
(297,187 posts)ecstatic
(32,699 posts)vocabulary. Writing is too. This is a man who dictates his stupid tweets most of the time (I assume he is behind the ones with the poor spelling and grammar).
Juliusseizure
(562 posts)Despite appearances, he's smart. It's not conventional or straightforward smart anymore. He can do that if he wants. Watch the YouTube link from age 33. His answers are sharp, articulate and well informed. He knew the real estate subject matter on a sophisticated level.
The apprentice boardroom scenes aren't scripted. I found him impressive in those scenes.
Why does he act dumb? He has no experience doing what he's doing and is uninformed. He's improvising Imagine being put in the most high pressure demanding job and having no training.
You can either stumble around attempting to look smart but failing, or or just wing it while on the lookout for scapegoats to distract the audience.
Here's a passage about how sociopaths think:
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"do you happen to know if sociopaths are typically of extremely high i.q.? from what i've seen from personal experience and posts on your site, most individuals who fit the classification appear to be at least above average in intelligence. is this an accurate observation?"
My response:
I think that sociopaths would typically score high(er) on IQ tests, but I don't know if that would necessarily mean that they are of above average intelligence. Sociopaths are extremely capable of finding the weaknesses in things, people, the social fabric, etc., like a shark sniffing blood or a dog "smelling" fear.
Let's take for example the fact that I have always performed very well on standardized tests. I will readily admit that doesn't necessarily make me "intelligent." Rather, when I read a question, I am not always looking for answers, or even clues to the answers, but rather clues into the test maker's mind. Are they trying to trick me? I think, if I were a test maker, how many different ways could I ask a question on a critical issue? There will always be a limited number of ways that test makers can/will ask questions--you just have to figure out which, and then recognize those particular questions when you see them. I also try to guess what would be the fake answers test makers might come up with. Test makers have fears like everyone else has fears -- fears that a question will be too easy, fears that a question may have more than one answer or be ambiguous. You can practically see a test taker's CYA precautions in some of the questions you read. You know immediately what the answer is, just like when you ask someone, "Where's the safe?" and they say "I don't know," but their eyes look to the wall behind the desk. Obviously the safe is in the wall behind the desk.
Is this ability to sense weakness what intelligence is? I wouldn't think so. Standardized IQ tests don't necessarily test intelligence, they just test someone's ability to correctly mark the right answer -- they don't account for how you managed to choose that right answer. Take the extreme example: you obtained all the answers ahead of time (cheated). Your score indicates a very high IQ. Does that mean you are intelligent? What if, instead of "cheating," you are a mind reader and get the answers that way? What if you are just very good at predicting what answer test makers think is "right"? Does that mean you are intelligent?
But I do think most sociopaths seem intelligent, particularly to empaths. They have different blindspots than you do, and they think out of the box because they aren't in a box, or at least not the same box you are. Have you ever heard a child speak a foreign language? Maybe for a moment you are amazed. "Good lord! That child's speaking Swahili!" But you are amazed because you are framing the issue in terms of how difficult it would be for you to be speaking Swahili, particularly at that child's age. Your mind has forgotten that some people grow up speaking Swahili as their native language, or in bilingual homes. So the sociopath can amaze the empath with his charm, wit, and intelligence, just because that is the sociopath's "native language," so to speak.
But are sociopaths perceived as being above average, charming, witty, and intelligent? Yes, most of us manage to come off that way. And life is almost always form over substance, rarely the other way around.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,853 posts)Various observers have pegged it at about a third grade level, maybe fourth grade on a good day. It does seem possible that he is functionally illiterate, possibly a bit dyslexic, given how difficult it seems to be for him to read out loud, as in from a teleprompter. His insistence on very short briefing papers is not the sign of an incredibly intelligent man, but of one who has an extremely short attention span and unwillingness or inability to read.
His "success" in business started with a million dollar loan from his father, and as several others have already pointed out, he's the poster boy for white, male, Protestant privilege.
He's also a bully and a narcissist, and has almost never heard the word no in his entire life. Look at all the stories coming out of the WH these days about how he has to be jollied and flattered.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)He's of average intelligence, but crude and uncultured. He doesn't read and is intellectually lazy. He has no hobbies, other than playing golf at one of his clubs. He's only ever been interested in making money and self-aggrandizement. The POS is a malignant narcissist.
I always wondered how he got into Wharton. Well, it appears that he was a transfer student and that his brother Fred knew someone in the admissions office. He was an average student and every weekend he would travel back to NY to work on some real estate deal with his father.
He's always been nothing more than a petty, small and vindictive pile of dung.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)her cringe when he talks. A six year old would need less correcting on the proper ways to speak.