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Fri Mar 17, 2017, 09:49 PM Mar 2017

Hillary: 'I'm ready to come out of the woods'




Hillary Clinton spoke at the Society of Irish Women's 19th Annual St Patrick's Day dinner in Scranton, Pa., Friday and encouraged people not to let politics divide them.

"I do not believe that we can let political divides harden into personal divides," Clinton said, according to reporters at the event. "We can’t just ignore or turn a cold shoulder because they disagree politically, we have to listen to each other and learn from each other."

"I am ready to come out of the woods and to shine a light on what’s already happening around kitchen tables at dinners like this to help draw strength to enable everyone to keep going, that's the spirit of Scranton," she said.


The statement that she is ready to "come out of the woods" appears to allude with the viral posts of Clinton being spotted hiking in the woods near her Chappaqua, N.Y., home shortly after the election, which was also the subject of a "Saturday Night Live" skit.

It also suggests Clinton, who has remained relatively low-profile since the election, is ready to get back into the spotlight.

read: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/324605-hillary-clinton-at-st-patricks-day-event-im-ready-to-come-out
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Hillary: 'I'm ready to come out of the woods' (Original Post) bigtree Mar 2017 OP
Welcome back Hillary ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #1
John Dean's advice: L. Coyote Mar 2017 #122
Trumpie will do his nut, and watch Shitfetz sabre rattle OnDoutside Mar 2017 #155
YESSSS! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #194
Mahalo for that, Coyote! Cha Mar 2017 #257
"Everybody should just get along". rgbecker Mar 2017 #2
not an actual quote bigtree Mar 2017 #3
FFS, she said trump was Putin's puppet-- live, on stage, to his face. And she refered to half his LuvLoogie Mar 2017 #22
+1 Lucinda Mar 2017 #136
+2. Da-yum, it never quits. Hekate Mar 2017 #154
nope xxqqqzme Mar 2017 #230
+3 fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #217
Cuartro! Cha Mar 2017 #232
She IS a real leader radical noodle Mar 2017 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2017 #239
She already is a real leader. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #165
Oh whatever. The bullshit never ends. nt Codeine Mar 2017 #173
Hillary is a real leader and you're obviously not Cha Mar 2017 #218
That's a blatant alternative fact. Bradical79 Mar 2017 #250
she looks good in green juxtaposed Mar 2017 #4
And the new "do"... Heartstrings Mar 2017 #234
She's more than welcome to come out of the woods... Agschmid Mar 2017 #5
I agree. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #12
Yup. Agschmid Mar 2017 #28
That's big of you.. she said nothing about running for the damn POTUS. Cha Mar 2017 #36
She would have. Agschmid Mar 2017 #51
Yeah, you're allowed.. and I'm allowed to give my thought on it. Cha Mar 2017 #58
It really hurts your credibility to baselessly accuse someone of alerting on you. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #88
Someone did alert on that post, though. I know, because I was on the jury for it. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #220
You being on the jury does not give you any insight as to WHO alerted. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #221
Is there an accusation up there as to who alerted? I dont see one. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #222
Yes, the person implied Cha alerted. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #225
"Even through my previous post was alerted on." Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #226
If you don't know, then I can't help you. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #227
Probably true. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #229
2+2Yellow is an opinion as well, regardless of how idiotic it is. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #266
No, she didn't. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #56
lol Cha Mar 2017 #61
OK. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #109
Which lines? JHan Mar 2017 #83
Well, that's some time before she can run again. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #87
shes still a very powerful nfluencer.... samnsara Mar 2017 #198
Welcome to DU, Susan Calvin! calimary Mar 2017 #85
I'm the poster previously known as SusanCalvin Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #86
Even for mayor of NYC? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #183
I don't care.. Millions of us do like her. Cha Mar 2017 #215
Oh good grief radical noodle Mar 2017 #98
People can be so hateful uponit7771 Mar 2017 #134
She only tweeted one line. Any other is firmly made up in your head. fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #219
I'm With You Cha Me. Mar 2017 #59
Mahalo, Me. Cha Mar 2017 #66
I would have loved for Hillary to have won, but it is a strech to say that she was cheated out of it karynnj Mar 2017 #197
nobody here will cop to the fact that she lost the Presidency twice already jodymarie aimee Mar 2017 #201
Most people do -- it is also important to argue that she is still a powerful voice for us karynnj Mar 2017 #206
I disagree. "Party elite"... just another attempt at insuling buzzwords.. Cha Mar 2017 #208
That is not fair karynnj Mar 2017 #209
Bull.. I'll said it again.. I don't care how you try spin this Cha Mar 2017 #210
It's almost like something extremely unusual happened, like even by foreign agents. Or something. fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #223
I couldn't disagree more. I think Comey dramatically reshaped the race. StevieM Mar 2017 #253
Hard to explain Feingold zipplewrath Mar 2017 #264
I just addressed Feingold and other Democratic candidates. I gave a complete explanation, StevieM Mar 2017 #267
No single leader zipplewrath Mar 2017 #268
I think that the GOP did very well in the 2010 midterms because the economy didn't recover StevieM Mar 2017 #269
Seems there's always an excuse zipplewrath Mar 2017 #271
2nd and 3rd that. Bigtime triron Mar 2017 #216
That's for sure! GWC58 Mar 2017 #139
Awww.. we're on the same page, GWC58! Cha Mar 2017 #145
Thanks for saying so! GWC58 Mar 2017 #146
Hasn't She Been Criticised Enough Already? Me. Mar 2017 #50
I'm not criticizing her, she just shouldn't run again. Agschmid Mar 2017 #53
Yep. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #57
You Are & This Is MIne Me. Mar 2017 #63
Well I'm sure she can handle my random internet posting criticism. Agschmid Mar 2017 #65
. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #69
No doubt, Hillary is a strong woman. Cha Mar 2017 #148
It is an interesting pre-emptive first reaction lapucelle Mar 2017 #72
That's nice. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #81
I would never presume to predicate lapucelle Mar 2017 #89
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #91
Well Said Me. Mar 2017 #93
I don't "predicate" her choices. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #95
Didn't you use the expression "as long as"? lapucelle Mar 2017 #176
And I defend anyone's right to "presume." Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #96
I understand this will come as I shock to you BainsBane Mar 2017 #166
Ya, not everyone is "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts." fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #224
Well aren't you special. Also, we heard you the first 6 times. Hekate Mar 2017 #158
Well said! Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #160
+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #167
No end yet of people presuming to tell a woman what she should do. delisen Mar 2017 #172
You'd vote for John Edwards in a primary????? Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #228
Actually there's a County Executive race in Westchester..... crazycatlady Mar 2017 #177
Oh I know: How about the PTA at her grandaughter's school? Hekate Mar 2017 #186
Yeah...or "hone your message" LaydeeBug Mar 2017 #191
Do not divide us! nola57 Mar 2017 #207
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Mar 2017 #263
Yep. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #54
I voted for Hillary last time; I'd vote with pleasure for her again. With your premission, I mean . NBachers Mar 2017 #105
me too samnsara Mar 2017 #199
I don't think she will BainsBane Mar 2017 #124
Nixon did. And won the second time. okasha Mar 2017 #162
Same. Agschmid Mar 2017 #181
Adlai Stevenson in '52 & '56 Timer Mar 2017 #193
Personally, I don't see that in her future. herding cats Mar 2017 #144
She can do what she pleases as a citizen. joshcryer Mar 2017 #169
She is more than welcome to come out of the woods ESPECIALLY if that LaydeeBug Mar 2017 #189
I'm not a bigot, but thanks for the attempted personal insult. Agschmid Mar 2017 #190
So you allege... LanternWaste Mar 2017 #265
Meh. She and Bill are figures from the past geek tragedy Mar 2017 #6
Sorry, but as someone whose has devoted her life to public service she has every still_one Mar 2017 #10
I am with you. jrthin Mar 2017 #14
She and President Clinton brer cat Mar 2017 #15
To speak out, yes. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #118
She didn't allude to running again why throw this rock? uponit7771 Mar 2017 #138
perhaps a bit of envy of an incredibly smart and experienced woman is still afloat? triron Mar 2017 #149
+1, and the people who voted for him in hiding uponit7771 Mar 2017 #150
perhaps to use as an excuse so they can speak negatively of Hillary. still_one Mar 2017 #152
Agreed. nt bunnies Mar 2017 #16
I agree that other, younger politicians must step up Blue_true Mar 2017 #17
This isn't about running for president BainsBane Mar 2017 #46
That would be great, from anybody. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #60
Jimmy Carter and Jerry Brown are older than her, and more relevant to the Democratic soul LuvLoogie Mar 2017 #24
Gavin Newsom. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #30
If he can gain the Governor's office in California and implement single-payer, LuvLoogie Mar 2017 #45
I agree that Newsom can't run until 2024 but I am hoping that we will have an incumbent Democratic StevieM Mar 2017 #70
Any sane tentative list for 2020 has to have Senator Warren as a top contender. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #74
The difference is that Senator Obama was in office for 2 years before he started to run StevieM Mar 2017 #78
Bottom line is we need to lead on marijuana legalization. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #79
Boldly! Without hedging on more research is needed. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #92
Obama at least got elected to the Senate 4 years before election day MrPurple Mar 2017 #119
It's time for our party to get out in front of the issue, that seems patently obvious to me. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #76
Gavin Newsom would probably step aside if Hillary was going to run JI7 Mar 2017 #106
Hope so. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #111
True. But I dont sense any great enthusiasm for another Hillary run. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #129
it would depend on who was running JI7 Mar 2017 #131
It's all hands on deck BainsBane Mar 2017 #26
She is a powerful and important voice Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #32
Same thing I said about the posts poo pooing Our Revolution BainsBane Mar 2017 #44
True. The only poo pooing we should be do-doing Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #84
You're the shit Warren! Thanks for another smile. bettyellen Mar 2017 #192
Exactly. We need all the help we can get. AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #43
HRCDS Stinky The Clown Mar 2017 #47
I don't think that's Geek Tragedy BainsBane Mar 2017 #49
I disagree. Even though I supported Bernie, I think babylonsister Mar 2017 #27
She was robbed, period. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #71
How so??? Beacool Mar 2017 #31
Exactly, BeaCool... that's Ridiculous.. yeah everyone gets to speak Cha Mar 2017 #40
The anti-Clinton crowd would like to pretend that they don't exist. Beacool Mar 2017 #75
Yes! And, I'm one of those Millions of peeps! Cha Mar 2017 #113
Me too!!! Beacool Mar 2017 #115
It's amazing to me lapucelle Mar 2017 #182
I would too. Beacool Mar 2017 #237
exactly. nt m-lekktor Mar 2017 #34
Bull.. we need all the damn help we can get.. Millions of People love Cha Mar 2017 #38
Yeah Why would you want to discourage ANYONE Opposing trump... Cha Mar 2017 #39
What a shitty thing to say. Stinky The Clown Mar 2017 #48
Thanks. eom Cha Mar 2017 #67
She had 65,844,954 total votes. herding cats Mar 2017 #130
No, that's not factually true. herding cats Mar 2017 #121
Whether they like it or not, every time the Clintons geek tragedy Mar 2017 #174
That's because so many people listen to the Clintons Progressive dog Mar 2017 #195
It wasn't in 2016 nt geek tragedy Mar 2017 #196
Yup, the Russians , jill Stein, and others Progressive dog Mar 2017 #200
3 million more votes says she's not uponit7771 Mar 2017 #137
They should retire and shut up. The 90s are over. elehhhhna Mar 2017 #163
No, they shouldn't. Yes, we all know it's 2017.. time for all Democratic Cha Mar 2017 #212
Their Foundation is certainly not still in the past, and neither is Carter. ehrnst Mar 2017 #184
Welcome home Hillary. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #7
omg i hope so.. i want her...... samnsara Mar 2017 #8
Looking forward to HRC getting back on the world stage and pointing democratisphere Mar 2017 #9
Um. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #73
65,844,954 Americans voted for her. herding cats Mar 2017 #140
Unfortunately, that kind of thinking is the reason drumpf is our ridiculous President​ democratisphere Mar 2017 #164
Thanks for the sentiment, but "Democrat" Party? Twice? Hekate Mar 2017 #187
She's been shining a light for decades, brer cat Mar 2017 #11
Awesome! Gore1FL Mar 2017 #13
Exactly. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #68
YES! DemForEvar Mar 2017 #18
She looks much better! CountAllVotes Mar 2017 #19
She is the legitimate president. period. triron Mar 2017 #20
This is true. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #62
No. She's not. Flatpicker Mar 2017 #80
This is also true. nt. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Tribalceltic Mar 2017 #101
Sorry Flatpicker Mar 2017 #104
As a former Election Reform group stalwart, Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #117
Those I can understand Flatpicker Mar 2017 #125
I buy it, sorta, Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #128
To think of a hack of that magnitude would require almost every part of the government to be asleep. LenaBaby61 Mar 2017 #147
"They had plenty of time to change the rules"? It will take a Constitutional Amendment.... Hekate Mar 2017 #161
Her willingness to do so demonstrates her love for this country ecstatic Mar 2017 #21
With ice cream in the fridge. NBachers Mar 2017 #107
Sorry, Hillary...not your fault, but it really is too late for that The Sand Reckoner Mar 2017 #23
NO. It's not too late.. it's the damn Perfect time because it's happening NOW Cha Mar 2017 #41
It's too late to make nice with these people The Sand Reckoner Mar 2017 #82
Not talking about "making nice.." Talking about Hillary's Cha Mar 2017 #123
It says nothing about her working with Trump BainsBane Mar 2017 #120
I'd rather Flatpicker Mar 2017 #25
Yep. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #77
She looks lovely in that photo. Beacool Mar 2017 #29
Her voice is needed and welcomed. panader0 Mar 2017 #33
It's the Perfect Time because it's happening .. you don't force Cha Mar 2017 #35
We could have all been "stronger together" lambchopp59 Mar 2017 #37
Right on! PinkTiger Mar 2017 #110
With an axe... smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #42
Fine with me, Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #52
Next time I see her I'll be sure to tell her she should run again. nt stevenleser Mar 2017 #141
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Mar 2017 #55
Kick his ass. lpbk2713 Mar 2017 #94
I fear for her. She'll be attacked mercilessly. Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #99
I wouldn't be surprised if she ran for governor of NY. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #100
I love Hillary most of all... more than any other Democrat EVER!!! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #102
Yes, yes and yes! nt SticksnStones Mar 2017 #170
I wish her much success in supporting the resistance. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #103
YAY! burrowowl Mar 2017 #108
Ok cool Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #112
she could do a thank you tour. should have no prob topping trumps weak turnouts....again nt msongs Mar 2017 #114
I will never criticise Hillary again orangecrush Mar 2017 #116
I hope not to have to. Susan Calvin Mar 2017 #127
And I respect your right to do so. orangecrush Mar 2017 #133
Mahalo orangecrush.. you're a mensch Cha Mar 2017 #151
Thanks, Cha. orangecrush Mar 2017 #156
Si.. Cha Mar 2017 #157
Psst, you've been doing so here in this very thread. herding cats Mar 2017 #142
What a great photo of her. pat_k Mar 2017 #126
KNR Lucinda Mar 2017 #132
who are we to say salster Mar 2017 #135
K&R... spanone Mar 2017 #143
I'm choking up here. Please make it so, dear Hillary. We wanted to give you all the time you need... Hekate Mar 2017 #153
As Trump plots destruction today, let's stop arguing Justice Mar 2017 #159
Yay!!!!!!! caroldansen Mar 2017 #168
Great woman. It makes be very sad that she's been so mistreated. nt Kahuna7 Mar 2017 #171
She looks great. betsuni Mar 2017 #175
Yeah-Hillary Clinton is a very important voice Gothmog Mar 2017 #178
We need your voice, Madam should-be-president! mcar Mar 2017 #179
Looking forward to it. She is an asset and we need her in this fight for sanity. livetohike Mar 2017 #180
knr triron Mar 2017 #185
Awesome Hillary! Come on out! The Russians did this to us! nt LaydeeBug Mar 2017 #188
Hillary should've been the one picked to give the Democratic response Seasider Mar 2017 #202
Remember Hillary is extremely qualified and her character was assassinated sharedvalues Mar 2017 #203
Wow! That's what it felt like, but I assumed that was just me... nt LAS14 Mar 2017 #204
I agree on the qualifications, but she has some responsibility for karynnj Mar 2017 #242
Rove and Bush did worse things with email sharedvalues Mar 2017 #244
Agree Rove and Bush were far worse - and so was Powell, karynnj Mar 2017 #245
the email story was blown up. JHan Mar 2017 #251
I agree it was given too much emphasis karynnj Mar 2017 #254
Yes, mistakes were made. JHan Mar 2017 #255
Hopefully not. ihaveaquestion Mar 2017 #205
66 Million people voted for Hillary.. she damn well will Cha Mar 2017 #211
Not all those voters voted FOR her. Lots just voted against DT. ihaveaquestion Mar 2017 #249
NO, you're "unrealistic" to say she can't speak. Wbo cares if all those Cha Mar 2017 #256
No one said she couldn't speak. ihaveaquestion Mar 2017 #262
That must be why she gets standing ovations everywhere she goes BainsBane Mar 2017 #260
It looks like she had ... NanceGreggs Mar 2017 #261
Many people feel the same way about the man in your avatar. brer cat Mar 2017 #259
We need a new generation of Democratic leaders. Her time has come and gone. kwassa Mar 2017 #213
We need her voice now.. I don't see how anyone would want to Cha Mar 2017 #214
Agree 100%! Kath2 Mar 2017 #233
Can you believe this, Kath! Cha Mar 2017 #236
"Well, she'll persist.. and too bad for them.. Great for the Planet, tho. " Kath2 Mar 2017 #241
Truth! ihaveaquestion Mar 2017 #247
It would be nice to see her in a Jedi robe and packing a lightsaber. fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #231
Sounds like her.. wouldn't it be nice! Cha Mar 2017 #243
the hill tries to install so many hooks in my computer, paused nexflix always auto starts. Sunlei Mar 2017 #235
That's a really sweet post.. Mahalo, Sunlei! Cha Mar 2017 #258
"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways oasis Mar 2017 #238
Society of Irish Women.. Cha Mar 2017 #240
ImWithHer oasis Mar 2017 #246
Yes, oasis.. and President Obama wouldn't be Cha Mar 2017 #248
She had her Henry David Thoreau moment, and is now ready to act? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #252
Good! Trump has changed the rules so nows everyone should play the new game in town lunatica Mar 2017 #270

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
155. Trumpie will do his nut, and watch Shitfetz sabre rattle
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:38 AM
Mar 2017

Another email investigation....you can set your clock by these b'stards.

rgbecker

(4,831 posts)
2. "Everybody should just get along".
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 09:54 PM
Mar 2017

Seems like her tag line hasn't been replaced.

She could be a real leader by calling out Trump and his republican policies for what they are: Take from the rich and give to the poor.

LuvLoogie

(6,999 posts)
22. FFS, she said trump was Putin's puppet-- live, on stage, to his face. And she refered to half his
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:15 PM
Mar 2017

supporters as deplorable. She called him out again and again.

She has been in the mix since she was 15. She IS a real leader.

And still getting daggers in the back, I see.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
97. She IS a real leader
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:47 PM
Mar 2017

I guess you haven't noticed. I have a feeling that for some she will never do enough even if she dragged a guillotine behind her and managed to lop off his head.

Response to radical noodle (Reply #97)

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
250. That's a blatant alternative fact.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:33 PM
Mar 2017

Your fake quote is the polar opposite from reality. Calling out Trump and his supporters to the degree that she did has been a common criticism of her being to harsh. Conservatives and many self described moderates were furious, and it was considered a political mistake.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
5. She's more than welcome to come out of the woods...
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 09:56 PM
Mar 2017

But that should not include a run again for President.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. I agree.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:03 PM
Mar 2017

We need new leadership at the national level. Younger.

I don't want Bernie to run again, either.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
36. That's big of you.. she said nothing about running for the damn POTUS.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:31 PM
Mar 2017

She would have made an Excellent Prez.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
51. She would have.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:57 PM
Mar 2017

But she is not President, and should not run again.

It's my opinion of course and last I checked I was allowed to have one. Even through my previous post was alerted on.

We need to bring the party together, not bring up divisions again.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
58. Yeah, you're allowed.. and I'm allowed to give my thought on it.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:01 PM
Mar 2017

I wouldn't even think of alerting on it.

Keith Ellison and Tom Perez are out there trying.. and I love them for it.. They damn well know what the Democratic Party Stands FOR.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
88. It really hurts your credibility to baselessly accuse someone of alerting on you.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:30 PM
Mar 2017

And why is it that so many people, especially right wingers but also many on this board such as yourself, imply others are trying to deny them the right to have an opinion? Since when is someone disagreeing with your opinion an attempt to silence you?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
220. Someone did alert on that post, though. I know, because I was on the jury for it.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:07 PM
Mar 2017

I found it simply unbelievable that someone here thinks we're not allowed to have an opinion on potential future candidacies.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
221. You being on the jury does not give you any insight as to WHO alerted.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:12 PM
Mar 2017

Impressive deflection, but NO ONE disputed that someone alerted on that post.

And NO ONE here is saying "we're not allowed to have an opinion on potential future candidacies." Someone gave their opinion about a potential future candidacy, and another DUer gave her opinion about that opinion. That's how a discussion board works.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
222. Is there an accusation up there as to who alerted? I dont see one.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:15 PM
Mar 2017

I see the assertion that the post was alerted on, and then your response about it being "baseless".

I'm not surprised people have different opinions on whether Hillary should be our candidate again in 2020. What surprised me was that someone thinks it should be against the rules for a member to say they want someone else.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
226. "Even through my previous post was alerted on."
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:28 PM
Mar 2017

Thats not an accusation against anyone specific, it's just a statement that someone sent an alert.

I don't know how you're getting your interpretation from that post.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
266. 2+2Yellow is an opinion as well, regardless of how idiotic it is.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:59 PM
Mar 2017

"It's my opinion of course and last I checked I was allowed to have one..."
2+2=Yellow is an opinion as well, and regardless of how idiotic it is, no one is arguing a denial of a right to that opinion.

"We need to bring the party together, not bring up divisions again..."
No doubt, you'll allege to be doing so, regardless of what your posts may otherwise indicate.

Response to Cha (Reply #61)

JHan

(10,173 posts)
83. Which lines?
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:19 PM
Mar 2017

She said before the election that if Trump won she would do what she could to ensure he doesn't fuck up country completely.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
198. shes still a very powerful nfluencer....
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 07:17 PM
Mar 2017

..she doesn't have to be POTUS to be effective. I will support her in anything she does.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
85. Welcome to DU, Susan Calvin!
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:19 PM
Mar 2017

I would love to see her return to the front lines. We need her! We need that strength, those brains, and that heart. I suspect her reemergence would spark a fair amount of buyer's remorse. People may appreciate her more.

I don't care what it is. We need her and I want her back in the trenches again, on active mode. The sooner the better.

Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
86. I'm the poster previously known as SusanCalvin
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:27 PM
Mar 2017

Most recently.

I do not want to hear "Clinton" and "public office" in the same breath. I'm aware she is the legitimate President. I think she wants to run again. I don't want her to for both emotional and practical reasons. And I really don't like the whole family. I am nevertheless a Democrat.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
66. Mahalo, Me.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:06 PM
Mar 2017

JHC.. after all we've been through and Hillary.. who actually got cheated out of it.. is ready to help us!

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
197. I would have loved for Hillary to have won, but it is a strech to say that she was cheated out of it
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 07:09 PM
Mar 2017

A much stronger case could be made that Gore was and a stronger case could be made that Kerry was. The fact is that all three elections were from a nearly 50/50 country. Both Kerry and Gore were attacked at least as dishonestly as Cinton was. There was absolutely nothing in the actual NAVY record - which was online throughout the election, that showed Kerry as anything other than a very good person. To add insult to injury, Bill Clinton, with his shakier record on Vietnam, actually attacked Kerry in 2005 for not having fought back.

The Comey letters clearly impacted the race and you can argue they were unwarranted - and I would agree. However, given everything we knew of both nominees, it is more likely that the large undecided (and it was atypically large) ended up going mostly with Trump. Exit polls show that of the people with an unfavorable opinion of both - went to Trump.

I suspect that what the Comey letters did was to dishearten many Democrats or independents who had reluctantly lined up with Clinton - and they did not vote. I assume this because I suspect that the shift in the last two weeks might have been more a shift in the likely voter model that is applied to the polled results. My reason to suspect this is that people like Feingold suddenly saw their numbers drop by the same large amount (or more). NOTHING negative came out on Feingold, who was calle dthe conscience of the Senate by people like John Kerry for a reason - he is very clean. Like HRC, he was far ahead - then finished losing by a significant amount.

I think the head of the ticket is the strongest driver in getting the vote out. I suspect that hearing all the Clinton stuff again brought up the Clinton baggage and all that Democrats went through in the 1990s - even if unfairly. The alternative is to postulate something that happened that created a nationwide shift - not just for Clinton, but for many Democrats running for Congress.

NO ONE has been more favored by the party elite than HRC -- she had the inside track to the nomination twice.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
201. nobody here will cop to the fact that she lost the Presidency twice already
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 07:30 PM
Mar 2017

those are just the facts. Nobody runs a 3rd time.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
206. Most people do -- it is also important to argue that she is still a powerful voice for us
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 08:01 PM
Mar 2017

I think that very few people ruled her out for losing to Obama. However, after losing the general election - with a race that many consider very flawed, it is pretty clear that she will not win the nomination. I also suspect that, unlike Bill Clinton, HRC did not like actually campaigning. I suspect she was far happier governing.

I think Gore COULD have gotten the 2004 nomination had he fought for it, but that was an exception for two reasons. The first was it was considered that he had been cheated and, probably more important, the chances of winning 2004 were not good at the point he decided not to run - Bush was above 60%.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
208. I disagree. "Party elite"... just another attempt at insuling buzzwords..
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 08:08 PM
Mar 2017

Yeah, John Lewis, James Clyburn, and the Congressional Black Caucus are really elitists. Al Franken is so Elite.. you really should let him know that.

Hillary was FAVORED by 66 million people.. and then there was jill fucking stein.. and comey.. and the Russian hacking.. I really don't care how you try and spin this shite.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
209. That is not fair
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 08:26 PM
Mar 2017

It is true that people like those in the black caucus were for Clinton. It is also clear that starting before she resigned as Secretary it was understood that she was the person that President Obama and many others thought the best person to be the next nominee. As to 2008, the entire process was set up to make it hard for anyone not named HRC to get the nomination. The main way this was done was that 23 states all had their primary or caucus on superTuesday. This was designed to create a barrier that no one without her level of name regonition could have scaled. As talented and as charismatic as Obama was - if he had not gotten the very high profile endorsements of Ted and Caroline Kennedy -- and Kerry, Daschle and Durbin before that AND if Bill Clinton had not gone very negative -- it would not have happened.

Now, you could argue that the support for her was based on many important Democrats having long wanted her as the nominee -- and - in essence that it was what meant. She was so overwhelmingly their favorite -- and her team garnered endorsements very very early - that no one other than O'malley (likely running to be VP) and Bernie Sanders (likely to get the less than 5% that Kuchinich got) ran against her.

Jill Stein was far less a factor than Ralph Nader. As to Comey, had she given the State Department all the emails before she left - no one would ever have heard she had a private server. Her emails had been requested before she left office. She KNEW she did nothing wrong. If the SD had them, they would have given the committees and media the ones that met the criteria - redacting as needed -- and it would have been over long before 2016. This was a self inflicted wound -- made worse by her handling it poorly when it became known.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
253. I couldn't disagree more. I think Comey dramatically reshaped the race.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:51 PM
Mar 2017

I think he shifted many voters from Clinton to Trump.

We live in an age of party line voting. I think swing voters shifted on the Senate races, along with the presidential race.

And that's before we even get to the part where Comey held his illegitimate and dishonest press conference back in July. Or whether he should have even been investigating to begin with, rather than telling Congress to hold their own investigation if they wanted to.

The FBI is totally corrupted. And they completely reshaped the race, from beginning to end.

Barack Obama was a great president but appointing James Comey was his biggest mistake. Especially since the FBI corruption runs even deeper than Comey.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
264. Hard to explain Feingold
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:29 PM
Mar 2017

The problem with your thesis is that it doesn't really explain Feingold and other races we lost. I think the analysis up thread that the Comey letters basically caused Clinton voters to stay home is more on point. It didn't shift anyone, it cause the old "enthusiasm" problem. And really, even beyond that, we've been losing for a few election cycles if one pays more attention to the state level. Comey isn't responsible for that. The party is in the worst shape its been since Reconstruction. That's pretty much the Democratic Party's fault. And I'd say that to keep following the lead of the people that have been leading the party for the last 30 or so years might not be the best plan.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
267. I just addressed Feingold and other Democratic candidates. I gave a complete explanation,
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:50 PM
Mar 2017

whether you agree with it or not.

We live in an age of party line voting. People who shifted from Clinton to Trump shifted in the down ballot races as well.

I absolutely blame Comey, and not just for turning a narrow win into a narrow loss. I believe he dramatically reshaped the race.

HRC has not been leading the party for 30 years. And neither have Obama, Pelosi or Schumer.

People who say they want a new generation of leaders really mean that they want more liberal leaders and a more liberal direction. Which is fine, but let's not tear down good leaders who have served us well.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
268. No single leader
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:24 PM
Mar 2017

You can suggest it was a party line effect, I don't think the data supports that but we are talking about slim margins here so probably anything is possible. But again, that doesn't really address the larger multi-election pattern either.

And no, we haven't had any "single" leader, but we've had a group of people that have been in control of the party over that period of time, not all of them office holders, and this is where we have ended up. The "Clinton Wing" (which is way more than just the two of them) has been involved for at least 20 years (earlier depending upon when you think the original DLC started influencing things). If you don't accept that the leaders brought us here, who did?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
269. I think that the GOP did very well in the 2010 midterms because the economy didn't recover
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:51 PM
Mar 2017

quickly enough. And because Obamacare was stigmatized.

That led to a bad election, which happens sometimes. But the GOP then gerrymandered the districts.

We actually made some gains in 2012, which was impressive given that the economy was taking awhile to recover due to all the toxic assets.

In 2014 we lost some more seats, in large part due to the Ebola scare.

What we need now is a midterm election with Donald Trump in the White House. That is something that we will have, no matter who our leaders are.

We still have an advantage over the Republicans in terms of changing demographics and a more liberal younger electorate.

I think you are underestimating the influence of the FBI, going all the way back to 2015. They repeatedly engaged in unfair tactics designed to assist the GOP. And I don't think their influence was marginal, I think it was overwhelming.

In spite of all the damage done by the fake email scandal we were still in line to win the White House, decisively, and to pick up seats in the House and to take back the Senate had it not been for the collapse we suffered in the final 11 days after the FBI rigged the whole thing. Their actions were totally inconsistent with liberal democracy.

I think that people who don't like HRC, or who want a new direction for the party, don't want to admit that. But the 2016 election was not about the issues--it was about an email server.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
271. Seems there's always an excuse
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 04:09 PM
Mar 2017

We were running a lot of things through those years. We were the ones that pushed through a stimulus that was too small by half, which is a big reason the economy recovered so slowly. And we didn't do all that well at the state level in 2012, which yes is connected with gerrymandering which is a legacy of our poor performance over a couple of decades at the state ballot boxes. We passed NAFTA and DADT not to mention the DOMA and then spent the better part of 3 election cycles running against them. And really, we watched the union movement wither and did little to nothing. We appointed Comey you may remember. And then we went out and pushed the TPP.

You can go looking for excuses in other people, or we can acknowledge that we led ourselves here.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
139. That's for sure!
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:56 AM
Mar 2017

Hillary would've been a great president! She doesn't need to be running for POTUS to speak out against "Dipshit Dofuss Donnie." My reason for not wanting her to run again is because she doesn't need to go through all that shit again. That being sai if she did decide to make a run again, doubtful as it seems, I'd be all in for her.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
50. Hasn't She Been Criticised Enough Already?
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:57 PM
Mar 2017

Why so ready to jump her regarding future plans? How about everybody step back and see what’s on her mind, first, before letting the negativity fly.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
53. I'm not criticizing her, she just shouldn't run again.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:58 PM
Mar 2017

That's not criticism, it's my own opinion.

Pretty sure we are still allowed to have those around here.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
72. It is an interesting pre-emptive first reaction
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:12 PM
Mar 2017

to Hillary's actual statement:

"I am ready to come out of the woods and to help shine a light on what is already happening around kitchen tables, at dinners like this, to help draw strength that will enable everybody to keep going."




Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
81. That's nice.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:19 PM
Mar 2017

As long as she doesn't run for public office above the local level again.

She'd make a great school board trustee. No irony.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
89. I would never presume to predicate
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:32 PM
Mar 2017

the choices that a powerful woman should make based on the
bitter and hostile conditions that I set.

You seem to be new here. Are you aware of the "ignore" feature?

Response to lapucelle (Reply #89)

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
176. Didn't you use the expression "as long as"?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:51 AM
Mar 2017
as long as (conj.)
1. During the time that: I'll stay as long as you need me.
2. Since: As long as you've offered, I accept.
3. On the condition that: I will cooperate as long as I am notified on time.


"The verb predicate means to require something as a condition of something else, and we use this term mostly in connection with logic, mathematics, or rhetoric."

You did "predicate"; you just weren't aware of it. Don't you hate it when that happens?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/as+long+as
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/predicate

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
166. I understand this will come as I shock to you
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 05:23 AM
Mar 2017

But you don't control what Clinton says or does, anymore than I do for the politicians I dislike, or like. You get a vote, same as you did in 2016.

I myself was thinking I wouldn't support Clinton if she were to run again, but the nasty comments in this thread are going a long way to change my mind on that.













Hekate

(90,674 posts)
158. Well aren't you special. Also, we heard you the first 6 times.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:55 AM
Mar 2017

Just my own humble opinion, since you've been sharing yours so generously, but there has been a low-level grumble here at this board pretty continuously since we came back online after the hack of Nov.8 -- and it has to do with what Hillary ought to do with the rest of her life. It ranges from manning the barricades in a violent revolution to digging a hole in her backyard and crawling into it so "we" don't ever have to see her face or hear her voice again, ever.

The people who hold these opinions are pretty sure they know what is best regarding the entire rest of Hillary's life, her own desires be damned.

The fact is, Hillary Clinton is one of the most intelligent and accomplished women on the planet, and fully capable of making up her own mind. To dismiss her as someone who should be consigned to running for a local school board is damnably insulting. But you knew that.

delisen

(6,043 posts)
172. No end yet of people presuming to tell a woman what she should do.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 08:59 AM
Mar 2017

I wouldn't presume to tell John Edwards whether or not he "should" run again--even though I am highly likely to vote for him in a primary.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
228. You'd vote for John Edwards in a primary?????
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:32 PM
Mar 2017

We're talking about the same John Edwards, right?





I'll gladly tell John Edwards he shouldnt run again. Good riddance.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
177. Actually there's a County Executive race in Westchester.....
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:54 AM
Mar 2017

GOP incumbent. Perhaps the Democrats have their candidate?

nola57

(1 post)
207. Do not divide us!
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 08:04 PM
Mar 2017

I think we all know what you really believe. The school board is the VERY first step in one's political career. This woman was the Secretary of State of the United States. She fought for health care reform when less enlightened women thought she should "bake cookies." She was undoubtedly the most qualified candidate for the presidency (yes--we know you are a Bernie supporter but not all of us are that far left). Great snark on your part--people like you will assure President Pussy Grabber gets elected again.

NBachers

(17,108 posts)
105. I voted for Hillary last time; I'd vote with pleasure for her again. With your premission, I mean .
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:09 AM
Mar 2017

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
124. I don't think she will
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:36 AM
Mar 2017

Democrats have never before run someone who lost a GE. I see no reason for that to change anytime soon.

Timer

(71 posts)
193. Adlai Stevenson in '52 & '56
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:55 PM
Mar 2017

lost to Eisenhower both times. (Doesn't necessarily mean anything about 2024.)

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
144. Personally, I don't see that in her future.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 01:04 AM
Mar 2017

However, many people do need her to raise her voice in the resistance of this administration to help motivate them.

I welcome her voice to the fight against Donald Trump! We need every voice, and the more likely it is to garner media attention the better.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
189. She is more than welcome to come out of the woods ESPECIALLY if that
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 01:32 PM
Mar 2017

includes running again for President.

Fuck the dividers.

I would vote for Bernie. Or Hillary. And, no, I don't think ageism is relevant to this.

Bigots be damned.

We SEE this shit.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
190. I'm not a bigot, but thanks for the attempted personal insult.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 01:48 PM
Mar 2017

You see what you want to see, that much is clear.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
10. Sorry, but as someone whose has devoted her life to public service she has every
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:01 PM
Mar 2017

right, and some would say an obligation to do so

jrthin

(4,835 posts)
14. I am with you.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:05 PM
Mar 2017

She has spent her life devoted to public service. We need to stop the irrational hate of HRC.

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
15. She and President Clinton
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:05 PM
Mar 2017

both are respected and listened to by millions of people. Their participation is both needed and welcomed.

triron

(22,001 posts)
149. perhaps a bit of envy of an incredibly smart and experienced woman is still afloat?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:06 AM
Mar 2017

best qualified in history to run for president no less and we got the least qualified and a sick lying racist.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. I agree that other, younger politicians must step up
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:08 PM
Mar 2017

and people like Hillary, Bill, Bernie need to step off the stage and act as senior advisors to help the youngins avoid pitfalls.

LuvLoogie

(6,999 posts)
24. Jimmy Carter and Jerry Brown are older than her, and more relevant to the Democratic soul
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:20 PM
Mar 2017

than others in the party. Sorry, but you gotta TAKE the stage. You gotta stick your neck out there.

If somebody else wants a turn, they have to STEP UP.

THAT's leadership.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
30. Gavin Newsom.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:27 PM
Mar 2017

We could use someone from the West Coast who isnt afraid to lead on issues like cannabis legalization

LuvLoogie

(6,999 posts)
45. If he can gain the Governor's office in California and implement single-payer,
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:51 PM
Mar 2017

that would be a geater accomplishment. I think cannabis legalization has momentum in spite of Sessions' opposition to it.

I don't think Newsom could leave in the middle of a first Governor's term. So he would have to win in 2018, win re-election in 2022, then run for President in 2024 when he is 56 or 2028 when he is 60.

California is a big job, if Newsom bails after two years--after Old Man Jerry kicked ass and took names, a second time, in his 80s--I think his star will dim.

He needs to anchor California in the face of this fucked up right-wing tide. If he does that, then I'll jump on his wagon. But he ain't no Jerry Brown, not yet.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
70. I agree that Newsom can't run until 2024 but I am hoping that we will have an incumbent Democratic
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:11 PM
Mar 2017

president running for re-election that year.

Right now I am liking Elizabeth Warren and Jay Inslee.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
74. Any sane tentative list for 2020 has to have Senator Warren as a top contender.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:14 PM
Mar 2017

I agree that 2020 might be too soon for Newsom, but who knows. People said the same thing about Obama in '08.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
78. The difference is that Senator Obama was in office for 2 years before he started to run
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:17 PM
Mar 2017

for president.

I think it would have been very difficult for him to run had he been elected in 2006.

I think a better analogy to Obama is Senator Kamala Harris. She was just elected. And she could very well run in 2020.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
79. Bottom line is we need to lead on marijuana legalization.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:18 PM
Mar 2017

The numbers keep going up, and it's time for our party to embrace it at the national level.

I like Kamala Harris, too. I've watched her career since she was the DA in San Francisco.

MrPurple

(985 posts)
119. Obama at least got elected to the Senate 4 years before election day
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:33 AM
Mar 2017

Newsom would be Governor for like 6 months before announcing for President. That would be Palinesque.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
76. It's time for our party to get out in front of the issue, that seems patently obvious to me.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:16 PM
Mar 2017

Why we should cede it to the Libertarians or pretend it's a big joke.. I don't fathom it. For some reason people West of the Rockies get it. Even though legalization is trending like gangbusters on the East Coast too, East Coast pols still treat it like it's kryptonite, or a fringe issue.

Get out west you have Merkley, Blumenauer, as I said, Newsom, etc. They understand it's a major and important matter.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
106. Gavin Newsom would probably step aside if Hillary was going to run
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:14 AM
Mar 2017

and support her, because he likes her that much.

but i'm pretty sure she isn't going to run for anything. she still has influence and will use it out of public office.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
129. True. But I dont sense any great enthusiasm for another Hillary run.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:39 AM
Mar 2017

I dont want her to run again. For that matter, I dont want Bernie to, either.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
84. True. The only poo pooing we should be do-doing
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:19 PM
Mar 2017

should be directed at the craptastic shitshow in the oval office.

Stinky The Clown

(67,798 posts)
47. HRCDS
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:54 PM
Mar 2017

HRC Derangement Syndrome

This is what nearly a half century of right wing hatred and lies have wrought.

babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
27. I disagree. Even though I supported Bernie, I think
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:23 PM
Mar 2017

she was robbed by the Russians.

Hillary is very popular and I want to hear from her.

And I'm getting old. Do you think I should shut up, too?

Haha, never happen. Until I'm dead.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
31. How so???
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:27 PM
Mar 2017

Sanders is even older and he's actively involved. Why should the Clintons, and Obamas too, not speak out. Trump is attempting to destroy the safety net of the nation. I welcome Hillary's input.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
40. Exactly, BeaCool... that's Ridiculous.. yeah everyone gets to speak
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:41 PM
Mar 2017

our against the dangerous idiot but Hillary and Bill.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
75. The anti-Clinton crowd would like to pretend that they don't exist.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:14 PM
Mar 2017

Too bad, Hillary won more votes than anyone in history other than Obama. Millions of people want to hear what she has to say.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
182. It's amazing to me
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:56 AM
Mar 2017

that some people read a statement, prematurely assume its implications, and then pre-emptively slam a door in the face of the candidate who just a few months ago won the popular vote for the office of president by an overwhelming margin.

That said, I'd work for Hillary again in a heart beat.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
237. I would too.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 01:29 AM
Mar 2017

It still hurts so much that she's not president and that the orange pile of dung is in the WH.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
39. Yeah Why would you want to discourage ANYONE Opposing trump...
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:35 PM
Mar 2017

Do you say the same about sanders?

That's actually the silliest thing I've read lately.

Stinky The Clown

(67,798 posts)
48. What a shitty thing to say.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:56 PM
Mar 2017

3,000,000 MORE votes and a victim of armed robbery by a foreign power and their domestic stooge.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
130. She had 65,844,954 total votes.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:45 AM
Mar 2017

Her voice is more than relevant here. Actually, it's an obligation of hers to rally her supporters to resist Trump by all means possible.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
121. No, that's not factually true.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:35 AM
Mar 2017

Yes, their political peaks are behind them, but they still have a voice to raise in the opposition to Trump and in support of this political party. It's their right and obligation.

All of our voices need to be used in this fight of this administration, and they have two voices with literally tens of millions of devoted followers. We need them to help focus all those who respect them to fight this insanity.

Let's not get so shallow sighted here we can't keep our focus on our enemy, which is Donald Trump and the Republicans in Congress.

We need every and all voices willing to expose this administration for what it is. Personally, so long as anyone doing so wants to unify the Democratic Party and raise our voter tallies at the polls, they're my allies. These are the things we need to take our country back. Which should me our number one priority right now.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
174. Whether they like it or not, every time the Clintons
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:29 AM
Mar 2017

become involved, the story becomes about them. At this point they can only distract from the resistance.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
195. That's because so many people listen to the Clintons
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 05:10 PM
Mar 2017

and that should be a good thing for Democrats, and a bad thing for Republicans.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
200. Yup, the Russians , jill Stein, and others
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 07:25 PM
Mar 2017

are not the Clinton's fault. Hillary did get more votes than Trump, in spite of her opponents using Russian spying and propaganda against her.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
212. No, they shouldn't. Yes, we all know it's 2017.. time for all Democratic
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 08:37 PM
Mar 2017

Voices to be heard against trump.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
184. Their Foundation is certainly not still in the past, and neither is Carter.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:23 AM
Mar 2017

They can and should be doing what they think is appropriate.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
9. Looking forward to HRC getting back on the world stage and pointing
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:00 PM
Mar 2017

a unified Democrat Party in a positive direction.

Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
73. Um.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:13 PM
Mar 2017

If a Clinton is leading it, it will have to be unified without me. Fortunately, I don't think that will happen.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
140. 65,844,954 Americans voted for her.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:57 AM
Mar 2017

No matter what game of fractions you want to play with that number we need her supporters, too. It's just a basic fact of math. She has an extremely strong base of supporters who need her in the game, too.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
164. Unfortunately, that kind of thinking is the reason drumpf is our ridiculous President​
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 04:46 AM
Mar 2017

and our Democracy is under deconstruction. Democrat Party is unified against drumpf BUT currently is floundering to find a true leader like Obama or HRC. Democrat Party needs a whole lot of help AND fast!

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
11. She's been shining a light for decades,
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:03 PM
Mar 2017

and I glad it still burns bright! We need her in this dark time. She is one who listens in order to understand instead of shouting at people telling them what to do.

Welcome back, Hillary. We've missed you.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
19. She looks much better!
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:09 PM
Mar 2017

I really think that election was taking a toll on her. She looks happy and healthy again! Glad to see you again Hillary!



Flatpicker

(894 posts)
80. No. She's not.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:18 PM
Mar 2017

She lost the EC, but won the popular.

If they had agreed on going by the popular vote, you would be right.

They had plenty of time to change the rules after Gore v Bush. They didn't.
They went into the election having agreed on the rules.

Now our reality is President Trump. It sucks, but it's true.

That's what we have to deal with and all the claims of legitimacy or not blind us to dealing with what is here now.

People cry about the Russians. I get it, but it still doesn't change what we have to deal with right now. And it's not going to get investigated with R's holding all the cards, so I'm not bothering anymore.

Let's try to mitigate the damage and move onward. Debating November '16 is a waste of energy.

Too much to do at a local level before I care about another POTUS election.


Look at it this way.
You and I agree to run a 150m race.
At 150m, you beat me.
I can't claim I won because I ran 200m and you didn't.

Response to Flatpicker (Reply #80)

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
104. Sorry
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:07 AM
Mar 2017

I truly don't believe that scenario.

To think of a hack of that magnitude would require almost every part of the government to be asleep at the wheel.

They would have had to hack non networked systems, paper ballot counting machines and the local lil ole lady at the voter table. And done it under the eyes of multiple government agencies in country and at the border. It's a plan that would have taken 10 or so years to pull off and even that would presuppose Hillary, Donald and Bernie in this exact scenario.


That's rabbit hole thinking.

Even your analogy is wrong.
If the timer was not run for your run nothing would have counted.

If it was 10 seconds later, you would have run a 6 second race. If it was late for your opponent, by 10 secs, that would be too obvious.

To pull off something, it has to be subtile. I could almost buy that the EC could be manipulated in certain states. But not by large margins. And not obvious.

That, and you have to understand that no organization is all that bright, because people in groups can't organize a sack race w/o drama.

Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
117. As a former Election Reform group stalwart,
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:30 AM
Mar 2017

Yes, I do think there is rigging on all levels, planned in great depth over many years.

Gerrymandering, voter suppression, corporate/Republican voting machines, yep.

Unfortunately, they've been way more strategic and long-term than us.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
125. Those I can understand
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:36 AM
Mar 2017

The gerrymandering and suppression.

It was the foreign hacking that I didn't buy.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
147. To think of a hack of that magnitude would require almost every part of the government to be asleep.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 01:27 AM
Mar 2017

May be rabbit hole thinking, but to this very day and still in MY mind, I don't "really" know what happened re: ruskie cyber-hacking and what was pulled off as it relates to those voting machines. tRumputin didn't need a HUGE numbers total to win the presidency--he needed enough votes to win it. It wouldn't be the first time in our nation's history that a "huge" story which looked one way on the surface and in the very beginning, yet over time became a totally different nefarious and horrific story in later years, on so many levels and concerning so many people and potential suspects, and even still to this day 50 or so years later, we really haven't nailed down the "real" story surrounding it or behind it, and probably never will. ONLY that something nefarious & horrific happened on the world's stage to a sitting president (The Kennedy Assassination).

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
161. "They had plenty of time to change the rules"? It will take a Constitutional Amendment....
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:08 AM
Mar 2017

....which is why it has not been done before this.

ecstatic

(32,701 posts)
21. Her willingness to do so demonstrates her love for this country
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:11 PM
Mar 2017

Honestly, if I were her I'd be like "F*** all of those MFs" while eating a big tub of popcorn.

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
23. Sorry, Hillary...not your fault, but it really is too late for that
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:15 PM
Mar 2017

This is not just about "political disagreement" any more. This is not about things that reasonable people could differ on. This is about a group of rich white supremacist sociopaths trying to destroy everything that makes America what it is. They do not care who suffers and who dies, as long as they get their way.

This is not the time for conciliation. This is war. Fight or die.

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
82. It's too late to make nice with these people
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:19 PM
Mar 2017

And who wants to, anyway? Take power away from them as soon as we can, and let them rot no matter what.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
123. Not talking about "making nice.." Talking about Hillary's
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:35 AM
Mar 2017

Voice being most Welcome to oppose trump along with all the others on our side.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
120. It says nothing about her working with Trump
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:33 AM
Mar 2017

You must have be thinking about several statements where Bernie said that.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
25. I'd rather
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:21 PM
Mar 2017

Last edited Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:23 PM - Edit history (1)

She and Bill and Bernie take their lessons learned and groom a new generation to run for offices.

It's time for a hand off to the next generation. Maybe even get some new voters excited and into the process.
To not do so would show an inability to look long term.

Support them, groom them, give them the tools necessary to make the changes for the next 20-30 years.

Even with DT and his crew trampling the poor and ruining our country, special elections have only turned out 12-26% of the vote in 17.

If we don't fix this, we don't deserve to win any elections.

Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
77. Yep.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:17 PM
Mar 2017

And I say this as a Bernie supporter who doesn't think he's planning on doing anything except keeping his Senate seat and speaking out.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
29. She looks lovely in that photo.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:24 PM
Mar 2017

How different things would be if she was in the WH, instead of the lying orange clown.

Sigh...........

panader0

(25,816 posts)
33. Her voice is needed and welcomed.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:29 PM
Mar 2017

I'd like to see her with Bernie at an event.
She should be our POTUS.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
35. It's the Perfect Time because it's happening .. you don't force
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:30 PM
Mar 2017

this.

She Looks Beautiful




Mahalo, bigtree!

PinkTiger

(2,590 posts)
110. Right on!
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:21 AM
Mar 2017

I will always be grateful to Hillary for being a part of our government. If she ran again, I'd vote for her.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
42. With an axe...
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:45 PM
Mar 2017

Sorry, just joking.

Seriously, she looks great. If only she was our President now we would not be in half the mess we are in.

Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
52. Fine with me,
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:57 PM
Mar 2017

As long as she does not run for public office again.

Pile on if you feel the need. Just expressing the opinion of myself and acquaintances.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
99. I fear for her. She'll be attacked mercilessly.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:51 PM
Mar 2017

But the country could use a strong voice to counter Trump's.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
102. I love Hillary most of all... more than any other Democrat EVER!!!
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:57 PM
Mar 2017

Non-Democrats need not apply! They're worthless!


PS: Fuck Susan Sarandon.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
103. I wish her much success in supporting the resistance.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:59 PM
Mar 2017

After losing in 2008, she learned more about what the majority of Democrats wanted to hear and she adapted. If she can do the same thing on a national level, she could be a really effective leader and supporter of the next generation of Democrats.

Bill and Hillary still have the massive network of supporters (professional and non-professional) at their disposal.

I'm glad she took a break and is ready to get back in the fight.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
112. Ok cool
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:25 AM
Mar 2017

Do what you gotta do. If she wants to be involved, go for it. If not, that's alright too. I am fine either way. She looks stress free now.

orangecrush

(19,546 posts)
133. And I respect your right to do so.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:48 AM
Mar 2017

I just can't bring myself to do it looking at the nightmare we are in now, and I was a member of the Bernie group here.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
142. Psst, you've been doing so here in this very thread.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 01:00 AM
Mar 2017

For zero reason. Imagine that?

As my dear great grandmother used to say: your slip is showing.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
126. What a great photo of her.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:36 AM
Mar 2017

I were the person behind her, I wouldn't be too thrilled. But Hillary does look great.

salster

(15 posts)
135. who are we to say
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:48 AM
Mar 2017

Sh*t she can do what she pleases. Who are we to say? She won the popular vote and would likely win it again if she ran against Trump in the next election. Anything she does now, however small, is a big "I F**ckin' told you so" not only to our country but to the world. And that includes all the Never Hillary camp. Who do we have? Not even Warren anymore. There is no voice for the left however far or center, there is no one at this point. NO ONE. Not until we see elections for what they truly are, a fight against good and evil, or more realistically more good than evil or the lesser of the evils. We will not win if we do not get away from this "if only <he/she> were <fill in the blank>" bullshit.

We are going to continue to loose and I truly hope that everyone who can vote but chooses to exercise it pays dearly for what they do or do not do in the ballot box. Elections have real consequences, but unless those consequences smash us in the face, things will not change. I never thought Trump would win. I never thought Hillary should run again, but now I realize that I could be sooooo wrong.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
153. I'm choking up here. Please make it so, dear Hillary. We wanted to give you all the time you need...
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:35 AM
Mar 2017

...to heal, but we have missed you terribly. Green suits you, btw.

Justice

(7,187 posts)
159. As Trump plots destruction today, let's stop arguing
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:01 AM
Mar 2017

About whether Hillary should run for POTUS again.

Silly infighting.

Seasider

(169 posts)
202. Hillary should've been the one picked to give the Democratic response
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 07:31 PM
Mar 2017

They should've had a live video of her sitting in an office that looks similar to the Oval office with her giving her own speech to the nation. It would've been a nice, "Hey, this is what we could've had and instead we have a raving lunatic in the White House" message to voters.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
203. Remember Hillary is extremely qualified and her character was assassinated
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 07:50 PM
Mar 2017

Character assassination by the media.
(Caused by the rightwing media seeding stories into the mainstream.).

Remember this

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
242. I agree on the qualifications, but she has some responsibility for
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:41 AM
Mar 2017

Email being a huge dominant story. She knew the emails had already been asked for before she left the state department. She knew they would continue to ask. She also knew she had not done anything wrong on anything they wanted email on.

If she had left all the work email at the State Department, they would have complied -probably in 2013. Neither Obama or Kerry had any interest in stonewalling and both wanted the investigation closed. The emails and HRC's last testifying would have been over at least by 2014.

Having not done that, she made things worse by not completely explaining everything honestly when it became an issue. Having the story change a few times -even as supporters here claimed it was not important - is something that almost guarantees the media tries to advance the story. It also makes her look quilty to more neutral people.



sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
244. Rove and Bush did worse things with email
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:47 AM
Mar 2017

Rove obstructed a federal investigation by deleting emails from the Bush White House.

What you say is true, HRC should have taken the Obama route and worked hard to be 100% squeaky clean no matter how much time and effort that cost.

But don't understate the role of the Republican media machine in creating the email controversy.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
245. Agree Rove and Bush were far worse - and so was Powell,
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:10 AM
Mar 2017

They were not running for President. My point was that this did not need to become a dominating story that unfortunately hit at HRC's weakest points.

Although Obama's guidelines and rules should have made her question setting her email up as she did and not building in any archiving method, there was no precedent on how email is handled. Rice apparently did not use any for work. Powell threw his away.

Still, even having used a private server, it likely would not have ever come out if she gave the SD the emails as she left. Even if it did, she could point to having archived them in a timely manner. She would have been the first SoS to do so.

The emails were requested before she was out of office. Did she think the Republicans would just give up? Did she think the SD could stonewall for 4 years? Would she care that that could have tarnished the reputations of both President Obama and Secretary Kerry? Not to mention it would still be her actions and emails in the news.

I suggest that anyone unhappy that I question HRC's decisions here and suggest they greatly hurt her chances look at the 2005 comments made by Bill Clinton and others in their circle criticizing the Kerry and Gore campaigns, comparing them negatively with himself. Any errors these men made were tiny compared to this.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
251. the email story was blown up.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:34 PM
Mar 2017

We owe it to ourselves to at least be clear about that - it was a misreported, blown up story.

The political media needs to own up to the fact that it lost its mind last year.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
254. I agree it was given too much emphasis
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:59 PM
Mar 2017

However, part of the reason was that HRC let the story drip out - story by story. As I said, she could have probably avoided it completely had she given the SD the emails when she left. Even if it still came out, the answer that the rules simply called for archiving the email, which she did -- would have cut the story completely.

Consider that the reasons ALL the emails (except a few classified) were put online was that she called for that and then others called for it to be done quickly. The only emails that would have come out would have been the ones that met the Congressional and FOIA definitions. There would have been no investigation by the IG or the FBI .. no Comey.

Although there were minor errors in the complicated stories -- the basic outline was correct. In fact, there were as many misstatements by Clinton and her circle as there were errors in the NYT reporting. Part of their difficulty might have been that the neither of the two groups involved at the beginning - the State Department that confirmed that Clinton gave them the emails in late 2014 and the Clinton team - gave the media the entire story. It was investigative journalism at work.

In addition, you can not fault either the Washington Post or the New York Times in not investigating Trump. Both had excellent front page articles on everything from his record of discriminating when he controlled NYC rentals to his failed business deals to what his taxes in the one year they had them showed -- a year when he declared an enormous loss.

What seems clear is that people knew they had a choice between two very different paths. I am still trying to absorb that nearly half of the country chose the path against nearly everything I believe in. I do not think that all who voted for Trump considered him a good man, but they were for what they thought he would do. Likewise, I think that just as Republicans voted for the digusting man Trump is - there are few who agreed with us on issues who would have voted against HRC because of the emails. Remember that if not being "trustworthy" enough was the issue -- both Feingold and Clinton lost in WI and the margin was bigger for Feingold, the conscience of the Senate and one of the cleanest guys ever.





JHan

(10,173 posts)
255. Yes, mistakes were made.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:28 PM
Mar 2017

....but the weight given to mistakes is what I look at. A blown up story was used to characterize Clinton as "lesser of the two evils" and as "flawed" as Trump. In light of that, it was only too easy for disinformation and propaganda to work. Coverage of Clinton was the very definition of insanity, despite claims of preferential treatment - of course Clinton has her allies in the press, every powerful politician does.

"Flawed" was the tell because no one is perfect, it's a nonsense observation. We're all "flawed" yet we heard that refrain over and over.

MLK was flawed, so was Ghandi, so too Kennedy and LBJ, and Lincoln. "Flawed" is a ruse to deny an individual their greatness.

And I say this as a strong reformed HRC skeptic - To get away from negative press from Hillary requires tremendous effort and actual research. Bad press about Clinton harangues and follows you when you don't want it to - you could be perusing youtube videos, standing in line in a super market and glancing at the newspaper rack and there it is , you could just be looking up politics online or watching cable news, and it's there - all the swiftboat codes "flawed", "liar", "cold", etc. I had to take the time to look at investigatory conclusions of all the "scandals", read biographies, read what those who've worked with her - friend and foe alike- had to say about her, read little known stories where she helped people, or where her advice was invaluable and take the time to read up on her voting record. I read the good and the bad. I understood finally how successfully the GOP has been in tarnishing democrats* since they lost the culture wars.

And in 2016, by equating her with Trump, the media immediately normalized his heinousness. They were seen as the same -, emails, benghazi, etc etc . Perfection was expected, while her opponent only had to not behave like a toddler for 45 minutes to get a passing grade. Of course this would affect enthusiasm, the claim was made outright that the choice was between two turds.. and many on the left were complicit in these characterizations and rhetorical blunders, harming themselves and their future in the process.

Republicans tried the same thing with Obama, calling him and Michelle "divisive" , and "polarizing". Obama had enough charm and grace to counter it. Bill Clinton, another one they tried to tar, had great flaws, but was also a great president. Obama and Clinton both exemplified political smarts, the art of compromise, thus the attacks. The tragedy is when liberals themselves partake in the tarring and feathering of their best and brightest.

Of course when our leaders make mistakes and stumble we should point it out, but what we shouldn't do is buy wholesale the attempts on the right to slander our own.

ihaveaquestion

(2,534 posts)
205. Hopefully not.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 07:55 PM
Mar 2017

I like her, I really do... but she is too divisive.

It's unfortunate, but she's a lightning rod and the negativity that would come her way could tarnish the issues she may talk about.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
211. 66 Million people voted for Hillary.. she damn well will
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 08:35 PM
Mar 2017

use her voice against trump.

Look who's talking about "divisive"..

ihaveaquestion

(2,534 posts)
249. Not all those voters voted FOR her. Lots just voted against DT.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:39 PM
Mar 2017

Again, I like her and I actually voted for her, but I think it's unrealistic to think she has the right message or even if she does (who knows?), that she'll be listened to by anyone but the most die hard supporters.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
256. NO, you're "unrealistic" to say she can't speak. Wbo cares if all those
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:18 PM
Mar 2017

voters didn't vote for her? They would have gotten a great President in spite of themselves..

You're so wrong.. it's apparent you don't know what you're talking about.

We need all the voices we can get against trump now.. I don't care what the few have to say about it.

ihaveaquestion

(2,534 posts)
262. No one said she couldn't speak.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:04 AM
Mar 2017

Obviously, there are people like you who will listen and appreciate her. Others will not and will attack her. Personally, I just don't think it's helpful to have someone so divisive being front and center.

Just my opinion and, frankly, I think I've been pretty mild here - not even critical of Hillary herself. I actually like her and think she would have been a pretty good president, maybe even a great one. That you are ready to jump down my throat over this is pretty telling.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
260. That must be why she gets standing ovations everywhere she goes
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 11:17 PM
Mar 2017

at the theater, a restaurant, virtually any outing.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
261. It looks like she had ...
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 11:39 PM
Mar 2017

... an awful lot of die-hard supporters last election, because she won the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes over Trump. So apparently her "message" was listened to and embraced by the majority of the voting populace.

As for "lots of people" voting for HRC simply as a vote against Trump, the same is true the other way - many DT votes were strictly anti-HRC votes. So that's a wash, indicative of nothing.

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
259. Many people feel the same way about the man in your avatar.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 11:02 PM
Mar 2017

Hillary is respected and trusted by countless millions of people, not only in this country, but worldwide. If we are going to defeat this maladministration, we need all of our Democrats involved and speaking out. I am relieved that she is coming back out.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
214. We need her voice now.. I don't see how anyone would want to
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:52 PM
Mar 2017

shut up people who speak out against Trump.

There's room for everyone.. jeeze

Cha

(297,190 posts)
236. Can you believe this, Kath!
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 01:12 AM
Mar 2017

Hillary will be speaking out against the injustices of the trump goons.. and they want her to shut up.

Well, she'll persist.. and too bad for them.. Great for the Planet, tho.

ihaveaquestion

(2,534 posts)
247. Truth!
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:48 PM
Mar 2017

New progressives, whether in the Democratic party or not, need to step up. It's time for "out with the old".

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
231. It would be nice to see her in a Jedi robe and packing a lightsaber.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:37 PM
Mar 2017

Wasn't at the core her message one of "Do or do not, there is no try."?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
235. the hill tries to install so many hooks in my computer, paused nexflix always auto starts.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 01:03 AM
Mar 2017

Obama & Clinton will be back (in politics)in a couple more months, maybe much longer.
With this Russia 'thing' going on, it would be unwise for anyone connected to politics/Russia/election hacking/republican collusion with foreign govs. to engage directly at this time. They're both very wise people.

Good to see them both engaging and helping in the public sector. Like they said they would. We need them a lot. I don't know how she finds the strength of character after this election disappointment. This rape of our democracy. If I was she, I don't think I'd ever 'come out of the woods' Hillary.

oasis

(49,381 posts)
238. "Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 01:32 AM
Mar 2017

you can". Hillary continues to guided by what she was taught early on in the Methodist Church.

She's eager to do whatever is necessary to make sure everything doesn't come completely apart.

Hillary deserves our respect for her willingness to pitch in and help.

oasis

(49,381 posts)
246. ImWithHer
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:49 AM
Mar 2017
I strongly agree with what President Obama said about Hillary's sterling qualifications to be his successor.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
248. Yes, oasis.. and President Obama wouldn't be
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:05 PM
Mar 2017

saying that if he didn't strongly believe it..

Mahalo!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
270. Good! Trump has changed the rules so nows everyone should play the new game in town
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:55 PM
Mar 2017

We have plenty of need of her.

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