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OnlinePoker

(5,725 posts)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:29 PM Jun 2012

Should Ginsburg be asked to retire from the SCOTUS?

Maybe even Breyer? Should Mittens win in November and Ginsburg or Breyer pass away during his term, he could through the SCOTUS firmly into the conservative camp and you would rarely see another progressive decision come out of the court. If Obama is given the chance now, he could put another one or two younger justices in that might keep things more on an even keel for the foreseeable future.

Thoughts?

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Should Ginsburg be asked to retire from the SCOTUS? (Original Post) OnlinePoker Jun 2012 OP
Breyer? Are you serious? banned from Kos Jun 2012 #1
73 OnlinePoker Jun 2012 #2
I see your logic, but..... Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #3
Yep. Besides, it's irrelevant. Romney isn't going to win. TheWraith Jun 2012 #28
No. It's not seemly. Plus, it would focus the country on S.Ct. nominations.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #4
It isn't like Obama is anything remotely like a Progressive. He's a Corporatist. Systematic Chaos Jun 2012 #5
Purist hogwash. You are the left's version of the TeaBaggers. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #18
Please don't sit there and try to tell me what the fuck I am. Systematic Chaos Jun 2012 #21
You are no liberal. banned from Kos Jun 2012 #25
With the current state of affairs SoutherDem Jun 2012 #19
Ah cmon sharp_stick Jun 2012 #23
So was Clinton, who appointed Ginsburg and Breyer Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #26
Compare Kagen and Sotomayor with Roberts and Alito dansolo Jun 2012 #29
Lame duck congress would stall confirmation until after Jan 20 SoCalDem Jun 2012 #6
See comment #14 (she has no plans on going anywhere anytime soon) n/t Tx4obama Jun 2012 #17
at this point republicans would filibuster any replacement until after the election. unblock Jun 2012 #7
Nnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #8
Even if I thought for a moment that it were appropriate which I don't, elleng Jun 2012 #9
Thoughts?!1 Do they need to be DEEP thoughts?!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2012 #10
Yo quiero brain cell? Systematic Chaos Jun 2012 #12
no ibegurpard Jun 2012 #11
No Time For Confirmation... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #13
No, see below Tx4obama Jun 2012 #14
No (nt) bigwillq Jun 2012 #15
This post is just ridiculous. Please. Try again. Mega fail here. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #16
No, the Senate repubs would never confirm a new SC judge before the election MiniMe Jun 2012 #20
Not sure Obama has the votes to get a SCOTUS nominee through the Senate at this point Ken Burch Jun 2012 #22
Two years ago, mebbe... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #24
You really think EC Jun 2012 #27

Wounded Bear

(58,712 posts)
3. I see your logic, but.....
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:33 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:45 AM - Edit history (1)

it would definitely be construed as a ploy to stack the court. The RWers would make hay off of it. It would spur voter turnout on the right, which I consider a bad thing.

It could also be seen as a sign of weakness in the confidence of the admin about their re-election chances.

So, I have to say I don't support the idea.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
28. Yep. Besides, it's irrelevant. Romney isn't going to win.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:20 AM
Jun 2012

What we need to focus on is not the liberals, but the conservatives on the court. The second one of them dies off, it's the chance to change the balance of the court for the next 20+ years.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
4. No. It's not seemly. Plus, it would focus the country on S.Ct. nominations....
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:33 PM
Jun 2012

and energize the Republicans.

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
5. It isn't like Obama is anything remotely like a Progressive. He's a Corporatist.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:35 PM
Jun 2012

He's maybe not as crazy right-wing as he could easily be, but he's no Progressive.

He won't be trying to install Dennis Kucinich's clones on the Supreme Court. Not even close. That's what I would like to see; I don't know about you.

What we'll get from Obama is center-right. Someone brought up as a 'compromise' to the Repigs, who will fit the Corporate bill just fine even without being a complete mouthbreather. To think otherwise is to be delusional.

Given all of this, I submit that in the end it won't make all that much of a difference who installs the next two justices.

This country is headed in one and only one direction, regardless of whether we take the 'Scenic Route' every now and then.

Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa, for pissing in your Corn Flakes.

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
21. Please don't sit there and try to tell me what the fuck I am.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:03 PM
Jun 2012

If you want to answer with something of actual substance, fine.

But IMHO the Obama record speaks for itself, and the more I know about it, the less thrilled I am with it.

Where the FUCK do you get 'TeaBagger'? I'm a hardcore liberal, I support all kinds of Socialist policies, like what exists in Europe or hell, even Canada.

Drug legalization, check.

More worker protections, check.

Single Payer health care, check.

An end to our illegal occupations of sovereign nations, check.

Closing of Guantanamo and other torture prisons, check.

Local and State Police who don't assault and brutalize peaceful protesters, check.

And many, many more!

I just call it like I see it. You don't have to like it, but you can do better than your response if you want me or anyone else to take you seriously.

Christ on a fucking crutch!

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
25. You are no liberal.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:33 PM
Jun 2012

You are a progressive socialist with liberal leaning.

Not That There Is Anything Wrong With That.

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
19. With the current state of affairs
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:59 PM
Jun 2012

Anyone not a tea bagger is a liberal to the Republicans and would be a up hill battle.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
23. Ah cmon
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:27 PM
Jun 2012

There isn't anyone in the fucking country except Dennis Kucinich that would even consider Dennis Kucinich clones on the supreme court.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
29. Compare Kagen and Sotomayor with Roberts and Alito
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 07:35 AM
Jun 2012

Are you honestly claiming that there isn't much difference between them?

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
6. Lame duck congress would stall confirmation until after Jan 20
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:37 PM
Jun 2012

count on it..

Ginsberg has been in ill health, and will probably not remain much longer, but confirming someone like her these days, would be difficult at best..

elleng

(131,113 posts)
9. Even if I thought for a moment that it were appropriate which I don't,
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:38 PM
Jun 2012

Think about it. You want Justices to announce their retirements NOW, and you expect confirmation hearings between now and November? January?

Discussed here Sunday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=851962

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
13. No Time For Confirmation...
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:43 PM
Jun 2012

...and that's assuming you'd get 2/3rds of the Senate to agree...and you wouldn't. They're about to adjourn for the election year and unless called into special session the rushpublicans would do all they could to delay any hearings until after the election. The corporate media would go bonkers with "Presidential power play".

Let's just win the election and soldify the Senate and then hope Fat Tony retires first...

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
22. Not sure Obama has the votes to get a SCOTUS nominee through the Senate at this point
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:03 PM
Jun 2012

(as far as I know, you can't fill a SCOTUS vacancy through recess appointment.)

The only possible thing that MIGHT work would be if he nominated HRC, and sold it privately to the 'Pugs by saying "hey, it would mean you wouldn't be running against her in '16&quot .

Remember what happened when Johnson tried to make Abe Fortas Chief Justice in the summer of '68-Strom Thurmond blocked it and Nixon got to put Warren Burger in instead.

EC

(12,287 posts)
27. You really think
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:24 PM
Jun 2012

any judges would be confirmed in these last few months? Or ever with this Senate?

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