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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 01:40 AM Mar 2017

Americans Are Stiffing The IRS To Protest Trump

The week after Donald Trump's inauguration, Abby, a 37-year-old filmmaker, was sitting at home with her young son in Portland, Oregon, growing increasingly frustrated watching the news. As executive orders started flying out of the White House, Abby felt something more drastic was called for than her family's regular donations to Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, and the Southern Poverty Law Center. She pulled out her phone and fired off a text message to her tax preparer in Brooklyn: "Hey, what if we don't pay our federal taxes? Are other people considering this?"

Tax resistance as a form of protest has been around as long as taxes themselves, gaining particular notoriety during the 1960s, when hundreds of thousands of people are believed to have refused to pay at least some taxes in protest of the Vietnam War. Trump himself seemed to endorse the tactic during the first presidential debate, when he parried a charge from Hillary Clinton that he hadn't paid federal income taxes for years with, "It would be squandered, too, believe me."

With that proud tax-dodger now in office, more Americans like Abby (who asked that her name be changed for fear of legal consequences) are considering not paying their taxes, either. These protestors are split in their goals: Some say they hope to vote with their dollars to remove support from the Trump administration, the federal government version of the #DeleteUber campaign. Others say they don't expect it to have a tangible effect — the government can always print more money (something Trump has already mentioned doing, however flippantly) or borrow from foreign lenders — and instead see their refusal as a form of nonviolent resistance.

For Abby, she thinks withholding cold, hard cash may be the only thing Trump responds to at this point. "Donald Trump is a businessman, right?" she pointed out. "If we start getting incredibly intentional with every nickel and dime, that is more effective than anything else we can do."

Read more: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/americans-are-stiffing-the-irs-to-protest-trump-9766905

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Americans Are Stiffing The IRS To Protest Trump (Original Post) TexasTowelie Mar 2017 OP
I suspect that many will want to do this Lucinda Mar 2017 #1
Actually very few, I think pinboy3niner Mar 2017 #4
If you don't want your labor funding the splitting up KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #18
She might as well shoot herself and expect Donald Trump to bleed. WillowTree Mar 2017 #2
That would not be a good idea because then they would have to pay interest and penalties. caroldansen Mar 2017 #3
There are ways of getting the interest and penalties removed. nt fun n serious Mar 2017 #7
Exactly! Very dumb idea. Duppers Mar 2017 #8
That sounds dangerous for them.. best way to protest the Cha Mar 2017 #5
They're doing it, just not talking about it. fun n serious Mar 2017 #6
Save up for the penalties you'll pay in 4 years, too. Then again, what if he gets re-elected? WillowTree Mar 2017 #11
How do you expect that to play out? FBaggins Mar 2017 #12
Writing "Exempt" on your W-4 does NOT DO ANYTHING.... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #21
I brought my turbo tax, got my info together but somehow haven't been motivated to do them kimbutgar Mar 2017 #9
They take the taxes out of your paycheck. Then it is up to us to get them back world wide wally Mar 2017 #10
She may be self-employed, paying in her taxes herself based upon a quarterly calculation... Princess Turandot Mar 2017 #13
He doesn't care and it's just going to cause her more headaches. Renew Deal Mar 2017 #14
the republican role model sets a piss-poor example Achilleaze Mar 2017 #15
As understaffed as the IRS is, The Big Ragu Mar 2017 #16
That will just make the GOPers cut more services out of the budget. Better ways to protest. Hoyt Mar 2017 #17
Like what? - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #19
Hey why not? With 25% of ur $$ going to jmg257 Mar 2017 #20
 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
18. If you don't want your labor funding the splitting up
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:40 AM
Mar 2017

of immigrant families or the registering of Muslims, it seems like a logical resistance tactic, though.

Is there a 'resistance movement'?

caroldansen

(725 posts)
3. That would not be a good idea because then they would have to pay interest and penalties.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:02 AM
Mar 2017

Trump wouldn't even know about it. So their message would not get through to him. Don't risk
losing more money. You should always pay your taxes.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
8. Exactly! Very dumb idea.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:45 AM
Mar 2017

Unless you have tax lawyers who set up tax havens for you, you must pay now or pay more later.

Cha

(297,221 posts)
5. That sounds dangerous for them.. best way to protest the
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:09 AM
Mar 2017

drooling fascist is to Vote in 2018 and 2020.. and let your Congress people know constantly exactly what you think of the small minded dictator.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
6. They're doing it, just not talking about it.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:48 AM
Mar 2017

We changed our filing status to EXEMPT at our jobs and are putting the money in a separate account planning to pay it in 4 years.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
11. Save up for the penalties you'll pay in 4 years, too. Then again, what if he gets re-elected?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 04:50 AM
Mar 2017

Yeah, I know. They said it couldn't possibly happen this time, too.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
12. How do you expect that to play out?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 06:40 AM
Mar 2017

Are you going to fail to file (a crime)... Or give fake information (a crime)... Or file truthful information and say "come and get me"?

The false w4 is already a crime (up to $100k and a year in prison)

A HERETIC I AM

(24,368 posts)
21. Writing "Exempt" on your W-4 does NOT DO ANYTHING....
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:56 AM
Mar 2017

To relieve or reduce your tax liability

All the W-4 form does is tell the employer how much to withhold.

It is not necessarily reported to the IRS, but as mentioned above, supplying false information on the W-4 is against the law. What really matters is the W-2 form that is filed and if that shows taxable income and no withholding, then you will owe the taxes in full by April 15th

Play with such things at your peril

https://www.irs.gov/publications/p505/ch01.html


Edited for accuracy and to add link

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
9. I brought my turbo tax, got my info together but somehow haven't been motivated to do them
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:46 AM
Mar 2017

I am so disgusted I am waiting until the last minute.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
10. They take the taxes out of your paycheck. Then it is up to us to get them back
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:58 AM
Mar 2017

The opposite of inncnet until proven gulity

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
13. She may be self-employed, paying in her taxes herself based upon a quarterly calculation...
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 06:51 AM
Mar 2017

She could also have a reasonable amount of investment income, which is not usually tax-withheld upfront.

Or if she gets a pay check from someone, she could have submitted an employee withholding form to her employer claiming that no taxes should be withheld because she does not expect to have a tax liability. She could also have claimed more exemptions/deduction allowances than she actually would claim on her tax return. One signs that form under threat of perjury but I don't know if the IRS ever charges folks with that if you ultimately pay your full tax and penalties by April 15.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
15. the republican role model sets a piss-poor example
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 08:55 AM
Mar 2017

of what an honorable citizen of the USA should be like.

But republicans submissively fall to their knees to kiss his flabby, lying draft-&-tax-doding man-butt.

Sad.

 

The Big Ragu

(75 posts)
16. As understaffed as the IRS is,
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:04 AM
Mar 2017

they will still work like a motherfucker to get your money. And they will get it.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
20. Hey why not? With 25% of ur $$ going to
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:42 AM
Mar 2017

Health services, and another 24% going to socail security, makes sense to just keep it.

"indeed, the largest chunk of tax money — 25 percent — goes to Medicare, Medicaid, and other health subsidies, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities; 24 percent goes to Social Security; defense/security comes in third with 16 percent."

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