This isn't even funny. On MSNBC, they just said tactical nuclear strikes real possiblity

[adigal]

with this administration.

About an hour ago, a woman had on a Congressional Medal of Honor winner and PJ Rourke (sp?) They were saying that the rhetoric is not good and that once you say "Diplomacy has failed," and "N. Korea is an imminent threat," you don't have many options left. They discussed options and said that once someone drops any kind of bomb, it's on, and they could see Trump using tactical nuclear weapons. I am 55, and used to have to hide under my desk in the 60s and 70s two miles from downtown NYC, wondering how that desk will help me in the event of a nuclear strike. I never thought I would hear such loose talk about using nukes as I have heard from Trump last year. And now this situation.

I was out in my studio making jewelry, but now I am going to go hide in my room and figure out how much rice and beans we will need to survive this, if we can.

[Wounded Bear]

1. We indeed live in dangerous times...

[TheBlackAdder]

36. Don't believe the BS that we can detect nukes in a container ship. We've lost 7 nukes and can't find

.


DPRK can ship them through intermediary nations.


They also have tactical nuke artillery shells that can go 15-20 miles. Kiss goodbye Seoul.


.

[jaysunb]

2. I'm hoping the Generals will circumvent any such order. n/t

[hrmjustin]

3. Well that is a fly in the metamucil!

[infidelsavant]

4. Trump has serious mental issues

Which is why he should not even be president or have the power to launch an assault.

[adigal]

6. I keep praying that somehow he is removed, or, God forgive me, can't do the job anymore

I despise Pence, but I don't think he is itching for a nuclear war. He isn't batshit crazy the same way Trump is.

[DFW]

10. If a ballistic missile can reach California from Korea, it can reach Indiana 20 minutes later, too

Trump may not have paid attention to Pentagon briefings that laid this out, but Pence might have.

No one is saying they trust Kim Jong-Un to be any less batshit crazy than his dad (or Trump, for that matter), but we do have a few missile defense systems in place, and we also have a few conventional weapons that could take out their launch sites (if our clandestine services have not been "curtailed" by Trump budget cuts yet).

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. I hope Mattis or even Tillerson can wrestle the Football away from him

if need be. Tillerson seems way over his head as SoS but he might at least have a little common sense; Mattis is probably the only member of the cabinet who has a clue how to do his job - maybe he could throw some cold water on anything as stupid (OK, way beyond stupid) as challenging NK to a nuclear confrontation.

[adigal]

20. Tin foil time - Tillerson may want this cause oil prices will skyrocket

Talking about that on twitter.

[sarcasmo]

22. I don't think it's tinfoil. What's a per gallon price after a Nuke attack?

15-20 dollars per gallon?

[stevenleser]

34. Zero. Few people left to buy or sell, no technology to pump or dispense

Most vehicles permanently disabled by EMP.

[Gabi Hayes]

37. move to CUBA!

[Gabi Hayes]

38. all tubes....all the time

fuck that EMP!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. Nobody will be buying anything if there's a nuclear war.

[Gabi Hayes]

39. I/m not sayin we wouldn't get our hair mussed.....only twenty, thirty

million killed, tops...depending on the breaks!




btw....GS Scott was PISSED at Kubrick for putting in all the over the top takes in the final cut. he didn't like the 'overacting' that came out, as a result of Kubrick egging him on.

they also used to play chess all the time, and Kubrick embarrassed Scott, who considered himself quite the budding grand master



https://www.google.com/search?q=computer+buick+grille&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihh7e9tuHSAhXn7YMKHZ1WA4oQ_AUICSgC&biw=958&bih=529#tbm=isch&q=scott+kubrick+chess&*&imgrc=IEPZ_mXssqwv_M:

[adigal]

41. Seoul will be destroyed, but most of the US wont be

Unless China gets involved.
Do you think Trump would be taunting Kim if North Korea could reach DC or Florida with a nuke? Never! He is a coward of the highest magnitude.

[Initech]

5. I live in Southern California. If North Korea launched nukes we'd be fucked.

And the asshole deplorables would think it's funny because you know, left coast.

[adigal]

7. I know, I keep thinking of it. I have family in S. California

The Deplorables are too stupid to understand the world's reaction to us if we use a nuke anywhere. Our economy would crash overnight.

[Wounded Bear]

46. I live in Seattle, we're closer than you are to NK...nt

[LisaL]

8. That's all we need for the full happiness.

[SummerSnow]

9. I grew up in NYC in the 60's and 70's too. I remember..

bomb drills in school where we had to go in the hallway and face the wall. Now we are facing this threat again.

[hedda_foil]

15. I grew up in Chicago. My grammar school had big Windows at each end of the hall.

It seemed even sillier to stand facing the lockers than crouching under our desks. What was the point?

[NurseJackie]

11. Well... what do you think of THAT, Susan Sarandon? Happy now?

#FuckYouSusanSarandon

[kentuck]

12. Holy Shit!

Is there no one that can talk to this maniac??

[IcyPeas]

13. where's Dennis Rodman when you need him?

he'd be better at diplomacy than Rex.

[BSdetect]

16. They may well push NK (the wanker is as nuts as drumph) into a premptive strike.

Drumph has no idea of the consequences of such an attack.

Does he imagine taking advantage of falling house prices afterwards?

[Thor_MN]

17. Well, diplomacy failed when they installed an idiot with no skills.

Has nothing to do with any other country, this administration has no fucking clue what they are doing.

[sarcasmo]

23. How many hours did Rexxon give diplomacy before declaring failed talks?

[Blue_true]

18. Use of one nuke will kill us all.

Do you think China will sit idle while we use tactical nukes on NK? China would suffer the radiation fallout and dying people, it won't let us just merrily dance away.

[Cosmocat]

19. Right?

I mean, you would think that would be common sense .

[former9thward]

28. Tactical nuclear weapons are less than 10 kilotons.

The radiation is minor and localized. No one would die in China or any other place from that. If what you are saying was true everyone in the U.S. would be dead from the Nevada tests. Huge nuclear bombs were test off at the test range for 12 years and there were no radiation problems.

[sharedvalues]

30. Counter strikes, fallout (air detonation is worse than surface nuke tests)

The radiation is dangerous and ample and can be dispersed by the wind. Remember the majority of fallout comes from fission not fusion and so smaller weapons are relatively much more dirty than big ones.

[sharedvalues]

31. "NATO's [Tactical] Nuclear Battle Plan Would Have Killed Millions"

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/revealed-natos-cold-war-nuclear-battle-plan-would-have-13785

When officials finally tallied the numbers, the theoretical war’s toll on Germany included 1.7 million dead and 3.5 million wounded — killing more people in a matter of hours than strategic bombing had taken during the entirety of World War II.

The results of exercise shocked and horrified citizens in NATO countries, especially in West Germany — ground zero for any war with the Soviets, and alarmed their leadership. For years afterward, Carte Blanche shaped attitudes toward nuclear weapons and their role in defense of Europe.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

35. You may want to brush up a bit

"No radiation problems"?

Downwinders: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downwinders

50 Years Later, The Tragedy of Nuclear Tests in Nevada: http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0105-06.htm

Did Howard Hughs Kill John Wayne? http://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/154848/Did-Howard-Hughes-kill-John-Wayne

Nuclear Testing and Downwinders: http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/utah_today/nucleartestingandthedownwinders.html

Radiation Exposure Compensation Act: https://www.justice.gov/civil/common/reca

[bathroommonkey76]

40. I've never heard about that John Wayne story

Very interesting.

[former9thward]

42. And total British tabloid BS.

[bathroommonkey76]

43. There are other links on Google about this movie that arent British rags

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ASUT_enUS490US490&espv=2&q=john+wayne+howard+hughes+movie&oq=john+wayne+howa&gs_l=serp.1.0.0l2j0i22i30k1l7.1676652.1681666.0.1684046.15.15.0.0.0.0.157.1582.6j9.15.0....0...1.1.64.serp..0.15.1577...35i39k1j0i131k1j0i67k1j0i20k1.X7IoeWNNevE

[bathroommonkey76]

45. The Guardian

This is the best in-depth article I've read about this story.

A People magazine article in 1980 reported that of 220 cast and crew, 91 had contracted cancer, with 46 of them dying. No bombs were tested during the filming, but the article quoted Robert Pendleton, director of radiological health at the University of Utah, saying radioactivity from previous blasts probably lodged in Snow Canyon. It also attributed an immortal quote to a scientist from the Pentagon’s defense nuclear agency: “Please, God, don’t let us have killed John Wayne”.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/06/downwinders-nuclear-fallout-hollywood-john-wayne

[sarcasmo]

21. Batshit in charge, crazy shit happens.

[Hamlette]

24. this language, under Reagan, is what drove my Dad from the GOP

and turned him into a godless commie pinko in the end. Just like the rest of us, maybe more so.

He was defense connected, reserves and his civilian job, he worked on the subs that carry nuclear weapons. He was outraged that they would talk so casually about the use of nukes.

[mountain grammy]

25. I wouldn't put it past any of them to drop a bomb

just to raise the price of oil..

[gordianot]

27. The monsters are hungry.

Escalation is inevitable. Sounds to me the limited nuclear war theorist are willing to sacrifice the Korean Peninsula for the Poltical expedience of delusional despots.

[maryellen99]

29. I'm becoming very alarmed and anxious over this

[sharedvalues]

32. Remember, stay positive. Resist.

https://georgelakoff.com/2017/02/10/ten-points-for-democracy-activists/

"P.S. -- Persistence is the best resistance!"

[Mendocino]

33. P.J. O' Rourke

The only thing he's an expert on is being a giant jackass.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. How bout it. Why is MSNBC propping up that mangy popinjay?

I though his grizzled corpse only arose to muck up a Real Time panel with his nonsensical blathering

[spanone]

47. god help us with these assholes in office