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malaise

(268,980 posts)
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:03 PM Mar 2017

I'm betting the summer trip is off over this

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/19/white-house-trump-wiretap-uk-ambassador-peter-westmacott
<snip>
The former British ambassador to Washington, Sir Peter Westmacott, has issued a withering criticism of Donald Trump and his inner circle, accusing them of making absurd, unthinkable and nonsensical claims about the UK’s involvement in alleged wiretapping of Trump Tower that he warns could damage close ties between the two countries.

Writing in the Guardian, Westmacott accuses the White House of not only “peddling falsehoods” that the British intelligence agency GCHQ assisted then president Barack Obama in tapping Trump’s New York phones, but of potentially harming intelligence cooperation across the Atlantic.

“This is a dangerous game,” Westmacott writes. “The intelligence relationship between Britain and America is unique and precious. It is critical to our shared efforts to counter terrorism.”

Westmacott adds that “gratuitously damaging it by peddling falsehoods and then doing nothing to set the record straight would be a gift to our enemies they could only dream of”.

His unrestrained putdown of Trump’s refusal to correct the unsubstantiated wiretapping allegations – which Westmacott ascribes acerbically to the president’s “famous reluctance to admit mistakes” – is a clear indication of the intensity of British anger at having been dragged into what is seen as a controversy entirely of Trump’s own making.
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I'm betting the summer trip is off over this (Original Post) malaise Mar 2017 OP
I'm betting it's off too, my dear malaise! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2017 #1
Another ally who now hates us. NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #2
No Knighthood for Donald? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #3
Did he really stalk Princess Di? malaise Mar 2017 #4
probably with tic tacs in both hands demtenjeep Mar 2017 #5
Hehehehehe malaise Mar 2017 #22
Or...................... guillaumeb Mar 2017 #6
Check this out - audio at link - he's scum malaise Mar 2017 #7
I have a shot at becoming world dictator. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #8
That's the truth malaise Mar 2017 #9
To any pigs who are reading this, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #11
LOL. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #36
I live in a pork producing county, murielm99 Mar 2017 #55
*cringe* JHan Mar 2017 #18
That's the word malaise Mar 2017 #20
That is what has been reported by a close friend avebury Mar 2017 #32
How interesting that she was dating a billionaire MUSLIM, before she was killed. Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #37
Supposedly her true love was a Pakastani Doctor (Hasnat Khan) avebury Mar 2017 #40
Another Muslim? Hmmm. Trump, the proverbial "I always win" guy LOST to two Muslims? nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #42
Make it three. You damn well know , she would have loved Obama . nocalflea Mar 2017 #52
Lol, she dreamed of being a Kenyan princess (nt) klook Mar 2017 #58
Yep - I found the link - he's sick malaise Mar 2017 #45
Trump Alienates Friends And Allies CitizenZero Mar 2017 #10
While he goes out GWC58 Mar 2017 #26
He's just alienating everyone Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #12
He is just a creep. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2017 #28
the way he's going we'll be building walls on both coasts by July 4th rurallib Mar 2017 #13
I'm hoping he'll be behind walls in a Fed Penby then malaise Mar 2017 #14
Said something to that effect to my MIL a couple of weeks ago rurallib Mar 2017 #15
Hard to watch our old folks get weak malaise Mar 2017 #16
And north, not just GWC58 Mar 2017 #27
Forget the walls... defacto7 Mar 2017 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author defacto7 Mar 2017 #29
it was never going to happen grantcart Mar 2017 #17
You're probably right malaise Mar 2017 #19
KNR Lucinda Mar 2017 #21
Ooops- There goes the carriage ride with Queen Elizabeth. NBachers Mar 2017 #23
They only have to keep moving it forward not fooled Mar 2017 #33
Pardon my density, but... zentrum Mar 2017 #24
To know and understand the depth of 'British rage', Volaris Mar 2017 #25
The Princess of Wales not fooled Mar 2017 #31
"Peddling Falsehoods" gonna start Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #34
He's ruining our relationships with our closest allies. Putin likes that. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #35
all of this is by Putin's design Takket Mar 2017 #39
I was thinking I was being paranoid...but that's what I was thinking. Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #43
putin is happy with this but.... Takket Mar 2017 #44
This makes sense to me...except maybe the investigation into the hacking. Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #47
Very Good Point CitizenZero Mar 2017 #49
That is the most polite & understated back up I have ever read. irisblue Mar 2017 #38
Hehehehehhee malaise Mar 2017 #46
John Le Carre would have a great time with this. GoneOffShore Mar 2017 #41
Oh Yes malaise Mar 2017 #48
Don't you all get it yet? world wide wally Mar 2017 #50
trump is an international disaster. spanone Mar 2017 #51
Donald Trump's disregard for words and truth is finally catching up with him malaise Mar 2017 #54
Oh hell yes. Tinyhands has made himself into a small, mean, vindictive, simulacrum.... Hekate Mar 2017 #53
I hope it's off gopiscrap Mar 2017 #56
If I had my druthers he wouldn't be in office come summer. nolabear Mar 2017 #57
Putin wins if this happens. lark Mar 2017 #59

malaise

(268,980 posts)
7. Check this out - audio at link - he's scum
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:17 PM
Mar 2017
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/trump-files-donald-princess-diana
<snip>
Only weeks after her death in 1997, Trump was already making claims about the likelihood that Princess Diana would have succumbed to his charms, according to journalist Michael D'Antonio's book The Truth About Trump. On Dateline NBC, host Stone Phillips asked if Trump thought he would have had a chance with Diana if he had asked her out. The businessman confidently replied, "I think so, yeah. I always have a shot."

Trump repeated this claim on Howard Stern's show that year. In audio recordings dug up by BuzzFeed, Stern asked about his chances with the princess. "You could've gotten her, right? You could've nailed her," Stern queried. "I think I could've," Trump replied.

The mogul's attraction to the princess began long before her death, however. British reporter Selina Scott told D'Antonio that Princess Diana, her friend, had received bouquets of flowers from the self-described billionaire prior to officially divorcing Prince Charles in 1996. Scott's advice to Diana? "I told her to just bin the lot," she said to D'Antonio. Last year, Britain's Sunday Times reported that as the bouquets "piled up," Scott said "it had begun to feel as if Trump was stalking her."

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. I have a shot at becoming world dictator.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:20 PM
Mar 2017

One shot in a trillion perhaps, but a shot.

Trump is a pig. It is not an act, he is simply a pig. And many people apparently like that in a President.

murielm99

(30,737 posts)
55. I live in a pork producing county,
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:54 PM
Mar 2017

and in the past, we have raised hogs (on a limited basis, no large confinement barns).

They are intelligent animals. However, the women around here use that expression to describe men like Trump. We know it is is just a way to describe greedy, usually unattractive men who think they are entitled to do anything they want to a woman.

Yes, Trump is a pig.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
32. That is what has been reported by a close friend
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:42 PM
Mar 2017

of Princess Di. She thought him creepy and he thought that he could score with her. He has always been delusional.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
37. How interesting that she was dating a billionaire MUSLIM, before she was killed.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:05 PM
Mar 2017

She chose a Muslim over the Donald? Sweet. Dodi Al Fayed, an Egyptian billionaire Muslim. Hmmm...makes one wonder if that's where his hatred of Muslims comes from.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
40. Supposedly her true love was a Pakastani Doctor (Hasnat Khan)
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:12 PM
Mar 2017

who she really really wanted to marry.

CitizenZero

(525 posts)
10. Trump Alienates Friends And Allies
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:22 PM
Mar 2017

He has alienated our own Intelligence Services, and is now insulting and alienating our key Allies. Trump and his People think that they do not need State Department Foreign Service Officers, CIA operatives, or British Allies. The destructive attitude towards our Friends and Allies is reckless bordering on Treasonous.

The Trump Regime operates like a Banana Republic Junta, a Petty Dictatorship, not the Federal Government and the Leading Superpower in the World. They are grossly incompetent and a threat to our National Security.

Our message to Britain and their Intelligence Community should be that Real Americans support them, and that Trump and his People are not Patriots, not Real Americans, and do not legitimately represent the American People, our Government, and our Intelligence Agencies.

rurallib

(62,413 posts)
15. Said something to that effect to my MIL a couple of weeks ago
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:39 PM
Mar 2017

Her health is beginning to fail as she nears ninety, but by damn she hates Trump.

I said I want to live long enough to see Trump behind bars and she said real loudly "ME TOO!"

malaise

(268,980 posts)
16. Hard to watch our old folks get weak
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:45 PM
Mar 2017

and sick - tell her she'll make it - I just want to hear America and the planet collectively shout YOU"RE FIRED !

Response to rurallib (Reply #13)

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
17. it was never going to happen
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:46 PM
Mar 2017

Turns out America First doesn't do much overseas except generate angry crowds, huge crowds.

NBachers

(17,108 posts)
23. Ooops- There goes the carriage ride with Queen Elizabeth.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:57 PM
Mar 2017

His visit to England has been moved back from June to August or September. His visit is supposed to trigger the largest protests England has ever seen.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
24. Pardon my density, but...
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:02 PM
Mar 2017

...do you mean the visit to the Queen? Hope you're right. The legitimatizing of him by that trip was unbearable.

Should have been cancelled by her the minute he discriminated against Muslims, IMO.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
25. To know and understand the depth of 'British rage',
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:08 PM
Mar 2017

One must be smart enough to understand what the English mean when they speak their own language.

I suppose none of the fucking Deplorables (either in the WH or in the countryside) have the first damned clue. MI6 is nobody to fuck around with; they mean it.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
31. The Princess of Wales
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:42 PM
Mar 2017

had much, much better taste in men. And, remember that she was involved with Pakistani heart surgeon Dr. Hasnat Khan, by all accounts the love of her life. Very touching. He was a serious-minded humanitarian. After someone like that, no way would she go with the hideous, shallow, self-absorbed con.

Takket

(21,564 posts)
39. all of this is by Putin's design
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:11 PM
Mar 2017

and the sad thing is it reads like the plot of a poorly written political intrigue novel with a story that has been rehashed a thousand times, and still the country is blind to what is going on.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
43. I was thinking I was being paranoid...but that's what I was thinking.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:16 PM
Mar 2017

That he IS the pocket of Putin, and that our country is in the hands of Russia. Just from what is going on.

Takket

(21,564 posts)
44. putin is happy with this but....
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:24 PM
Mar 2017

I don't think even Russia believed things could work out for them as well as they have. maybe even too well, to the point that their meddling has been brought front and center. The damage being done to US relations strengthens Russia on the world stage but an article i read here a few weeks ago made a lot of sense........ that putin hated clinton, so he tried to help trump, but even putin never believed the US would be stupid enough to elect Trump. All putin wanted was to weaken clinton by bogging her down with nonsense controversies (the emails) to hurt her presidency, thus strengthening Russia. Putin assumed no serious investigation would ever be made into his meddling because once Clinton won, it would be forgotten. But drumpf won and now Putin's meddling is brought to the forefront.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
47. This makes sense to me...except maybe the investigation into the hacking.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:31 PM
Mar 2017

Putin had to know America would investigate the hacking and figure it out. But that it would become this big a deal, and we'd catch the communications with Trump's team, or care, maybe Putin didn't count on that.

But then Putin doesn't understand the regard that America has for the integrity and protection of its democracy. At least I'm HOPING the powers that be have that regard.

But yeah...I doubt Putin thought that Trump would actually win. I doubt that even Trump thought he'd win.

CitizenZero

(525 posts)
49. Very Good Point
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:35 PM
Mar 2017

I think you are right. Putin did not expect Clinton to lose and now he (Putin) is exposed to the whole world. The more the Russian connection is in the news, the tougher it is for Putin, I think. KGB Agents prefer to work in the darkness.

irisblue

(32,973 posts)
38. That is the most polite & understated back up I have ever read.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:10 PM
Mar 2017

British English will have to be translated to that MFer. He barely speaks American English.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
50. Don't you all get it yet?
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:43 PM
Mar 2017

Trumps promise to Putin is to weaken America and its allies as much as possible for Putins help with tipping the election and the billions of under the table dollars.
All these faux pas with other countries are not faux pas at all, but insults and betrayals to please Putin.
Time for someone to do something to stop this saboteur before it is too late.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
54. Donald Trump's disregard for words and truth is finally catching up with him
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 05:39 AM
Mar 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/18/donald-trump-disregard-words-truth-finally-catching-up-with-him
<snip>
The bizarre allegations did not come courtesy of Vladimir Putin. Their source was not a mayhem-spreading autocrat eager to drive a wedge between firm democratic allies. No, they came directly from the White House itself.

On Thursday, in a surreal news briefing, Press Secretary Sean Spicer amplified on the president’s claim that his predecessor in the Oval Office had wiretapped the phones of then-candidate Trump. Reading from statements made by a commentator on Fox News, Spicer claimed that Obama “didn’t use the NSA, he didn’t use the CIA, he didn’t use the FBI and he didn’t use the Department of Justice. He used GCHQ’’ – the Government Communications Headquarters, the British intelligence agency.

The response from Britain has been a tad more vehement than what we’ve come to expect from our friends across the pond. “Complete garbage … rubbish,” said the former chairman of the British Parliament’s intelligence committee. “Nonsense … utterly ridiculous,” declared the GCHQ.

Incredibly, Trump has never had to pay a political price for his malign speech, shameless evasions and legion lies. To the contrary. By treating words as potent and weightless – potent, as tools to skewer opponents; and weightless, without lasting consequence – he greased his way to a spectacular political rise.


Until now. In the past three days, in the worlds of law and diplomacy, the president has been confronted with the consequences of his inflammatory speech. On Wednesday, Judge Derrick Watson issued a temporary restraining order blocking the administration’s revamped travel ban.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
53. Oh hell yes. Tinyhands has made himself into a small, mean, vindictive, simulacrum....
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:12 AM
Mar 2017

....of a petty dictator. He even tried to drag Britain into the mud and gutter with him.

Why would he get any special government or royal welcomes for that?

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
57. If I had my druthers he wouldn't be in office come summer.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:04 PM
Mar 2017

I want to disinfect the government, throw open the windows and smudge the place for good measure!

lark

(23,099 posts)
59. Putin wins if this happens.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 06:45 PM
Mar 2017

Drumpf didn't make the claims by accident and wasn't hateful to Merkel on a whim either. He's deliberately destroying our relationships with our strongest allies, those who could make Russia pay if they attack other European countries. He's doing what Pootie tells him so he can get the big payoff he was promised. Of course, Putin is more likely to release the "secret" videotapes to hurt us even more, after he's gotten everything he wants from Drumpf, than he is to pay him off.

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