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oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:04 AM Mar 2017

Comey

After watching Bill Maher on Friday, I have a slightly better idea of who James Comey is. The impression the panel gave was that this was a man who not only has a very exalted opinion of himself, but also believes himself completely morally upstanding, kind of a latter-day Elliot Ness. I think it was Maher who used the phrase "the only honest man in a crooked town" to describe how Comey sees himself (not that it's literally the truth).

97% of what I have seen of Comey fits with this description. The part that hasn't made sense is the part where he comes out a few weeks before the election and makes an announcement that Hillary's emails might cause the investigation to be reopened. There was no good reason for him to hold that press conference or to make that useless announcement. Except...to hurt Hillary Clinton and to help Donald Trump become president.

Is it possible that Comey wanted to help Trump to win so that he could then go ahead with his investigation (which had started in July) into Russian interference? Maybe he believed that, should Trump lose, the investigation would die on the vine and the Russians would get off scot free without exposure. (You may say that the investigation could have gone forward even if Hillary had won, but at that point who would have cared? Would there have been interest, would there be any sense of urgency, would the investigation have been given credence by the press or the rest of the world?)

And maybe this is why Obama didn't fire him when so many of us thought he should have.

This is just me, thinking and trying to make sense of what has happened to our country.

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Comey (Original Post) oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 OP
I think that's fair and consistent with my view of him. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #1
Louise Mensch (was on the panel) goes into depth about what Lucinda Mar 2017 #2
I saw her talking about that and immediately Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #4
She links her source info in her blog posts. And I've watched her post questions and track leads Lucinda Mar 2017 #6
You mean his long history of trying to find a crime to pin on the Clintons? Warpy Mar 2017 #7
Why would Obama fire him canetoad Mar 2017 #13
For gross misuse of power. HOWEVER, we were winning. Hortensis Mar 2017 #18
YES. "He knew damned full well there was nothing there and went with it anyway." Hortensis Mar 2017 #16
i read that whole article and i'm numb. KewlKat Mar 2017 #19
Her entire blog is worth a read...I dont know how much she has correct, time will tell Lucinda Mar 2017 #20
I had to reexamine my bad vibe about him tirebiter Mar 2017 #3
Comey simply cannot be "a good guy." Hortensis Mar 2017 #17
Like Bill Maher, I want to believe Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #5
Maher is correct about many things and he's usually entertaining Warpy Mar 2017 #8
True. Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #12
I don't doubt he is as outraged over all of this as we are . nocalflea Mar 2017 #9
The self-described "only honest man in DC", ego and all, is just a despicable, partisan repug hack brush Mar 2017 #10
i still think he was pressured by right wing types in the FBI to go public with the CLnton stuff JI7 Mar 2017 #11
I think some higher ups in the New York FBI office worked on him until he broke. UCmeNdc Mar 2017 #15
To me, it's just this simple: Men who view themselves as powerful, despise strong women. nikibatts Mar 2017 #14

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
1. I think that's fair and consistent with my view of him.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:10 AM
Mar 2017

He really doesn't give an eff about presidents or their administrations. He is just as comfortable standing up to Bush II and their exploitation of an infirmed Ashcroft and Trump and the Russians as he is to Bill Clinton in the Whitewater investigation and HRC's email investigation.

I just wish he didn't send that second letter 10 days before the election. It was not necessary and it was foreseeable that it would have an effect on the election.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
4. I saw her talking about that and immediately
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:25 AM
Mar 2017

thought, how does she know all this stuff? She's been pretty accurate too.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
6. She links her source info in her blog posts. And I've watched her post questions and track leads
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:31 AM
Mar 2017

in real time on twitter. I think she is plugged into a network of anti-Trumpy folks working hard to get him out of office... Journalists as well as political junkies and professionals...

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
7. You mean his long history of trying to find a crime to pin on the Clintons?
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:37 AM
Mar 2017

He started out with the first Whitewater investigation and has been a rabid Clinton hater since then. I think that is what clouded his judgment to the point he ran to the press with absolutely nothing just days before the election.

Obama didn't fire him because he didn't want to look like he was acting in retribution. He did/does like to stay above the affray.

I can think of nothing else that would persuade him to make a dramatic announcement so close to election day. He knew damned full well there was nothing there and went with it anyway.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. For gross misuse of power. HOWEVER, we were winning.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:28 AM
Mar 2017

Virtually all polls said so.

We don't know if Obama would have wanted to fire Comey--at that power level these are complex decisions with many repercussions--but as far as the election went, the right would absolutely have tried to manufacture that action into a major election-tampering scandal. You know, Dictator Obama, putsch, democracy dead, etc?

As for the notion that Comey took out a strong, experienced presidential candidate (Clinton), whom Russia had good reason to fear, and put a dysfunctional boob in the presidency as part of a grand battle with Russia, that's totally ridiculous. Mensch is broadcasting from la-la land.

Rump's election has weakened us tremendously, and with it all nations in Russia's way. It destabilized us internally, put the military under the control of an astonishingly incompetent CiC, and severely damaged our standing among other nations.

Now, if Mensch was accusing Comey himself of being lead point in a vast Russian conspiracy, it'd at least make a little more sense.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. YES. "He knew damned full well there was nothing there and went with it anyway."
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:11 AM
Mar 2017

Comey's not nearly as principled or honorable as he wants people to believe he is, and perhaps wants to believe himself to be. When it comes to the Clintons, the big difference between him and the typically Clinton-deranged boob is that he functions at a much higher level.

And, Comey's also conservative. He may also have colluded with other plotters to keep Democrats from getting control of the White House and Congress. Literally hundreds of sea were at stake. That's not been ruled out.

We know the FBI watched Russia run free in DNC files for months while having excellent reason to believe the DNC leadership never got their oddly-channeled notice that it was happening.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
20. Her entire blog is worth a read...I dont know how much she has correct, time will tell
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:05 PM
Mar 2017

but it does seem to align well with what is currently being uncovered...

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
3. I had to reexamine my bad vibe about him
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:23 AM
Mar 2017

after reading Louise Hensch. I held out changing until he openly announced he was investigating Trump. Hensch says Comey's got a Trumpland problem within the FBI. If I got it right these are agents with allegiance to Giuliani. They are under investigation by the DOJ.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Comey simply cannot be "a good guy."
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:14 AM
Mar 2017

A principled FBI director would NEVER misuse his power to interfere with the democratic process. That is a huge, huge betrayal of his nation and of his personal duty to his position in the FBI.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
8. Maher is correct about many things and he's usually entertaining
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:38 AM
Mar 2017

but he's perfectly capable of being a total blockhead because his blind spots are large ones.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
12. True.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 05:31 AM
Mar 2017

I've been watching his show since he was on ABC with Politically Incorrect. Sometimes I just take what he says in jest. It keeps my blood pressure down.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
9. I don't doubt he is as outraged over all of this as we are .
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:39 AM
Mar 2017

I don't think there is any simple answer for his Hillary moment.
If he purposely threw the election for Trump , that is indictable . Would someone with his sense of self-righteous integrity break the law , bigly , for the purpose of advancing an investigation ? Seems like a stretch .
I don't think the investigation would've ended with Hillary being elected. So why try to tip it ? Comey would not have known the election results beforehand .

brush

(53,771 posts)
10. The self-described "only honest man in DC", ego and all, is just a despicable, partisan repug hack
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:49 AM
Mar 2017

You don't turn over the presidency to someone like trump, who you are investigating for colluding with the Russians unless you are a despicable, partisan repug hack who couldn't bring himself to allow a Dem, especially Hillary, to win.

He was investigating trump for possibly colluding with the Russians for months without disclosing it but discloses that there are "new" Clinton emails 11 days before the election that he hadn't even seen yet.

Sorry, those two things couldn't be anymore unequal in importance but he outs the story on alleged "new" emails but keeps quiet on possible treason.

It's inexcusable. O should've fired him then had the DOJ investigate him.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
11. i still think he was pressured by right wing types in the FBI to go public with the CLnton stuff
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:13 AM
Mar 2017

because remember that there were people on trump's campaign including his own family who hinted at something that was going to come out.

and comey might have convinced himself that she will win anyways so it wont affect the election.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
15. I think some higher ups in the New York FBI office worked on him until he broke.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:05 AM
Mar 2017

They made it seem they had more on Clinton than they actually had. Then said he was playing favorites for the Clinton camp. (Just my guess.) I knew right away Comey just gave the election to Trump with his announcement. That made a lot of voters say to themselves "I do not want a criminal in office".
I think the same NY FBI higher ups kept Comey away from Trump's true connections to Russian spies. Sometimes I think maybe the NY FBI was infiltrated to some degree by the Russians.

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