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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRep. Adam Schiff's response to Donald Trump's tweet - this a.m. - will make POTUS shit his pants.
Link to tweet
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Last I heard republican coverup-man Nunes cancelled the hearing, and did not re-schedule.
wishstar
(5,269 posts)Now that Nunes/WH stunt got exposed WH is allowing investigators to look at documents that Nunes saw, Schiff seemed very upbeat yesterday about committee going forward again with witnesses and hearings, although not yet rescheduled.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)as an assistant U.S. attorney out in California, before entering politics. One case even involved an FBI agent selling documents to Russia. In any case, he's far from an amateur.
Hekate
(90,690 posts)...and Schiff has become a star in the current circumstances. If and when DiFi decides to retire, I hope he runs for her seat.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Definitely miss our California reps. Liked but didn't appreciate ours nearly enough until...Georgia!
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)As if Schiff was the one who was being unprofessional or partisan. The talking heads on TV keep referring to the Senate as acting like the adults in the room and the HIC as being chaotic and partisan, as if "they can't get any along".
Grr.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)afraid of what the right would do to their profits if crossed.
In spite of these attempts at equalizing, just imagine how demoralized we'd be if Nunes were ours and Schiff theirs.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Yes indeed .....
Our Golden State makes me SO proud ...
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Yes, he is a very capable lawyer and his time spent as a US Attorney was distinguished.
And his original political campaign was his defeat of Clinton impeachment manager, James Rogan.
Disclaimer: Adam and his wife Eve are friends and he is my Rep.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)I was SO angry at the whole Clinton impeachment thing, and rogan needed to go.
Met Schiff and talked with him a bit, seemed very smart and serious.
Unfortunately he's no longer my rep but it's cool to see him taking a lead in this investigation/farce.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)but I really do like his attitude, temperament and the careful way he chooses his words. He seems like a leader to me.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)The Dems can form a subcommittee but they do not have any subpoena power.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)the WH will actually show Schiff the same documents Nunes saw?
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)underpants
(182,805 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)wishstar
(5,269 posts)Then Flynn changed his answers several times as he realized he must have been caught on surveillance. So he is definitely still under criminal investigation by FBI
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)MineralMan
(146,309 posts)he can't make public at this point. We should listen to him closely, because of that. He's not going to release classified information that is not supposed to be released, but his comments are based on knowledge we don't always have.
Everything he says is important.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)immunity unless you are willing to serve up someone higher on the food chain.*
There is only person higher on the food chain than Flynn.
*Perhaps also in return for ratting out other members of a conspiracy, in this case Manafort, Page, Stone, Pense?, et. al.
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)first one to roll for the prosecutors gets the best deal.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)My guess, Flynn wants to help with Trump's cyber-lynching of Obama.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-gravity-is-strong-3
By Josh Marshall March 31, 2017, 8:15 AM EDT
Mike Flynn's offer to testify in exchange for immunity and the apparent lack of anyone willing to take him up on his offer raises more questions than it answers. In fact, I'm not sure it answers any questions at all. There are various relatively minor offenses Flynn could plausibly be prosecuted for - failure to file under FARA for his lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government, failure to file proper paperwork with the Pentagon for his paid speech in Russia, possibly untruthful answers to the FBI about his conversations with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. These charges in themselves would be thin gruel in terms of matters of any true public concern. But any competent lawyer would still insist on immunity before letting his client testify on anything related to these possible bad acts. Flynn's lawyer states rather grandly that his client "has a story to tell and ... very much wants to tell it." But Alex Whiting of Harvard Law School argues pretty convincingly that what we learned last night likely means either that Flynn doesn't have a story prosecutors are willing to barter for or isn't yet willing to tell it.
So who knows what the immunity request means? Far more interesting to me is how Flynn ties in to the latest revelation in the unfolding Nunes debacle.
Let's walk through this. ...........
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)He's just part of a cover up plot. We already know he's a liar and any testimony he gives will be lies. Any testimony he gives will be evasive BS.
NBachers
(17,110 posts)MineralMan
(146,309 posts)They all will. Guaranteed.
mopinko
(70,105 posts)flynn remains covered by the ucmj.
MineralMan
(146,309 posts)However, no defendant is ever required to testify at all in criminal court. That is true in military courts as well. A court cannot require the defendant to give testimony against him or herself.
That is the foundation of our criminal justice system, and applies equally under the UCMJ.
mopinko
(70,105 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)nt
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Which really comes in handy during a scandal such as happened with Iran-Contra. Bush was running the operation but was outside the chain of ommand and untouchable unless someone squealed on him.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)MineralMan
(146,309 posts)It's a pity there aren't more such people there.
I listen closely to what Schiff says, and try hard to read between the lines when he makes a statement. He's often trying to tell us something he can't actually say in public.
ananda
(28,860 posts)This guy is smart and knows exactly what to say and how to say it
without bringing down the possibility of libel, slander, or false
accusations.
Read between the lines and you know it's bad for 45 and co.
MineralMan
(146,309 posts)Very bright and a good thinker.
Marcuse
(7,482 posts)oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)to interview Flynn. I trust him. Not as sure about Warner over on the Senate side.
Girl powers
(109 posts)I live in neighboring Maryland and been following Mark Warner for quite a long time.
I have always been impressed with him. He really did a good job as gov - turned VA around fiscally. I think you can trust him.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)I know very little about Warner, except his resume which makes him appear super smart and competent. I have seen him on TV recently and I guess he doesn't strike me as someone willing to go for the jugular. I hope I'm wrong.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Does anyone want to speculate on the 'goods' Sally Yates may have on BLOTUS?
Another question is will Nunes survive and if he does, will he even schedule Yates? Didn't he cancel all future hearings?
(I feel so sick and revolted by Paul Ryan and Nunes and such great respect for the work and character of Adam Schiff)
randome
(34,845 posts)When we know Nunes is hoping the public will forget about her.
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Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)randome
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3_Limes
(363 posts)I don't think he'll do that too often in the future.
calimary
(81,267 posts)Unless he's just too stupid to understand the subtleties, maybe.
Nunes strikes me as a rube without a lot of the savvy and sophistication that comes with living in a big city - which Schiff does. Most of the California delegation, including my rep, Ted Lieu, makes me proud-proud-proud. Except for idiots like Nunes, Kevin McCarthy, Tom McClintock, Darrell Issa, and Dana Rohrabacher. Unfortunately we here in the Golden State have a few lumps of dirt in with all the gold nuggets.
Mountain Mule
(1,002 posts)There are more Dems and Progressives out standing in their fields than many urban dwellers may realize. I share your disgust with Nunes, but he strikes me as more of a complacent fat cat with insider connections than as a "rube." Lots of backroom deals over Cali water supplies and pat-pat, wink-wink. I know that I don't need to inform a Californian that water is more precious than gold in the American West, but others might like to know that Nunes is far from stupid. He who controls the water rights, controls the world in our part of the country.
Just saying.
calimary
(81,267 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)It's so nice to have a stand up and intelligent individual running this thing.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)Shows you what a collection of toadies so many of the rest of them are . . .
Chakaconcarne
(2,453 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)"But please correct an inaccuracy ... (non-attorney) Josh Marshall, not withstanding, it is inaccurate to say immunity is not granted unless one can serve up someone higher on the food chain ... immunity is routinely granted to conspirators whose testimony proves a substantial element of the case, whatever that case may be. Caution dictates that we pause, as we do not know what the actual element is being sought to be proved. "
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Remember that Dear Leader stated that if Flynn wasn't doing what he lied about doing, he would have told him to do it. He was one of several folks in their camp acting as conduits to Putin and his minions. Likely he'd name Pence and others directly.
lark
(23,102 posts)The Chair of the Committee has said there will be no further hearings on this issue in the near future. He's shut down the committee, but Schiff hasn't picked up on that fact yet. If revelations are going to come, they won't get by Nunes who is furiously busy protecting Hair Furor. Anything we learn will come from Senate committee as House version has basically been shut down. So sad that Nunes is as much a traitor as his boss.
MineralMan
(146,309 posts)Things are getting more and more uncomfortable for Ryan right now. Nunes will step down, I believe, and quite soon.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)statement from Nunes. If that was highlighted a lot more, it would be clear that one of them is lying, putting pressure on Ryan to get rid of him.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)Ryan sloughed it off as him expecting Nunes to share the info with his cmte, iirc.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)said no. Previously I did hear a non committal answer from him. I really hope someone picks it up
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)He seems to be a straight shooter. He also seems to be enjoying the plight of Nunes...aren't we all?
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)The sub line was interesting. I guess it was interesting for you to actually tell us about the tweet.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)"The public should learn a lot more about WHY General Flynn wants immunity when Sally Yates testifies before the House Intelligence Committee"
dae
(3,396 posts)To late for for Trump & his minions.
red dog 1
(27,804 posts)Adam Schiff for President in 2020?
(If EW doesn't run)
napi21
(45,806 posts)slam. but I had to go check if his wife's name was really Eve. Adam & Eve????
I hope he becomes one of the high ranking Dems. and gets his fellow House members to adopt his lead.
DFW
(54,384 posts)It's starting to look to me like this is Paul Ryan's clandestine campaign for the presidency--one he intends to win in typical Republican fashion, i.e. without winning an election. He gives lip service to being a loyal party man, and defending his president and VP, and then, with a sad sense of duty and patriotism, of course, lets nature take its course, removing both Trump and Pence. That leaves, according to the constitutional order of succession, the Speaker of the House, who just happens to be, in his case, why "little old me!"
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)He was probably vague enough when Nunes spoke with him before his big reveal to not leave his fingerprints on that fiasco.
Ryan is not an idiot, but his finesse game is lacking. If he gets the big office, it's likely his path will be rocky as well.
Don't think he could withstand the slog of a full primary/general election cycle, so he's trying to sidle in the back door.
eta: The same MO for becoming the Speaker. Let others do the heavy lifting then take the reins by default.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)that's the problem.
Watalapan
(93 posts)Hands down