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What's the matter in Syria? This picture explains. (Original Post) Norbert9 Apr 2017 OP
How can you be sure? GeorgeGist Apr 2017 #1
Again we see the Dick Cheney Doctrine Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #2
Add to this Lithos Apr 2017 #3
So what I think you're saying is that what we call ISIS is in partnership with Russia, Syria, Iran. hedda_foil Apr 2017 #5
Yep Lithos Apr 2017 #6
Thank you, Lithos. This makes perfect sense. hedda_foil Apr 2017 #9
Here is a great article (lots of history) by Robert Kennedy Jr. about oil piplines and Syria womanofthehills Apr 2017 #4
UNREC brooklynite Apr 2017 #7
Interesting. meadowlander Apr 2017 #8
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. Again we see the Dick Cheney Doctrine
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 07:18 PM
Apr 2017

being played out. It is all about the Oil my friends. Nothing changes,just more innocent People being sacrificed on the Alter of the Oil Barron's.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
3. Add to this
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 07:19 PM
Apr 2017

For the Russian backed pipeline. it was almost down to three parties - Iran, the Daesh, and Assad. Only Iraq, the Kurds and the FSA got in the way.

Should help explain why Syria and Iran are allies despite one being secular and why Syria is currently using it's air support against the FSA fighting the Daesh.

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hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
5. So what I think you're saying is that what we call ISIS is in partnership with Russia, Syria, Iran.
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 08:04 PM
Apr 2017

And presumably that's why Russia has been aiming for the FSA and not ISIS all along. And no wonder Obama didn't want to get in the middle of this morass, poisonous gas or no poisonous gas. So he was probably banking on the Russian pipeline being tied up with the extreme iffyness of multi-player Middle East war while the U.S.backed route, though longer than Putin's, was mostly less troubled than the Syrian route.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
6. Yep
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 08:32 PM
Apr 2017

You have to ask - who have the Daesh been selling their oil to which is funding this war? The only ports really open to them are Syria, Turkey, Iran, or Russia. With Turkey being the least likely. And if Syria, then it has to be who controls the Syrian coast/port which is Assad and Russia.

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womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
4. Here is a great article (lots of history) by Robert Kennedy Jr. about oil piplines and Syria
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 07:31 PM
Apr 2017

Syria: Another Pipeline War

The fossil fuel industry's business model is to externalize its costs by clawing in obscene subsidies and tax deductions—causing grave environmental costs, including toxic pollution and global warming. Among the other unassessed prices of the world's addiction to oil are social chaos, war, terror, the refugee crisis overseas, and the loss of democracy and civil rights abroad and at home.

As we focus on the rise of ISIS and search for the source of the savagery that took so many innocent lives in Paris and San Bernardino, we might want to look beyond the convenient explanations of religion and ideology and focus on the more complex rationales of history and oil, which mostly point the finger of blame for terrorism back at the champions of militarism, imperialism and petroleum here on our own shores.

America's unsavory record of violent interventions in Syria—obscure to the American people yet well known to Syrians—sowed fertile ground for the violent Islamic Jihadism that now complicates any effective response by our government to address the challenge of ISIS. So long as the American public and policymakers are unaware of this past, further interventions are likely to only compound the crisis. Moreover, our enemies delight in our ignorance.

As the New York Times reported in a Dec. 8, 2015 front page story, ISIS political leaders and strategic planners are working to provoke an American military intervention which, they know from experience, will flood their ranks with volunteer fighters, drown the voices of moderation and unify the Islamic world against America.



http://www.ecowatch.com/syria-another-pipeline-war-1882180532.html?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1491570086

brooklynite

(94,595 posts)
7. UNREC
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 08:42 PM
Apr 2017

This is an easy cliche; but the uprising in Syria was due to Syrian citizens advocating for more democracy after the Arab Spring.

meadowlander

(4,397 posts)
8. Interesting.
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 08:47 PM
Apr 2017

I was wondering what the implications were of Flynn being an agent of the Turkish government, of all countries.

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