Spicer is a LIAR and DENIER: "Hitler didn't gas INNOCENT PEOPLE"

[anneboleyn]

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Once again I see that our media is trying to sell us bullshit while smiling and calling it perfume following Spicer's "robust apology" (Wolf Blitzer's language) that Spicer delivered live on CNN a few minutes ago. Other posters here have noted that the Trumpers have a long history when it comes to these issues of white nationalism including holocaust denial, and the Trumpers have issued "dogwhistle" Holocaust denial garbage before (and at very strange times -- during Passover and holy times of year for the tradition). Other posters are covering this in more detail so I wanted to focus on one point that reveals that this is a manufactured "apology" and yet another blatant LIE.

POINT: Spicer was called out, and corrected, in real time, by journalists immediately after he issued his stupid and offensive "Even Hitler never used chemical weapons" comment. He was even asked to clarify at the presser, and he fumbled it again, refusing to say simply that yes Hitler gassed millions of Jews (including German Jews). He called concentration camps a "holocaust center." WTF? The fact that he even made this statement, and kept digging in until he was forced to stage an apology hours later, means that he DOESNT REALLY BELIEVE THAT "INNOCENT" JEWS (including German Jews, Hitler's "own people&quot WERE GASSED or that he in some way doesn't believe the "official" story. That is classic holocaust denial. Yes, this is what I believe is going on with him, imho.

Even if we grant that Spicer is woefully ignorant of the events of WWII, there is no way that he doesn't know from films, his education, etc that Jews were gassed in WWII. In his fumbling and stuttering in response to the journalists, who were protesting his statement about Hitler, he said that Hitler didn't use gas on INNOCENT PEOPLE. That single comment is one that is used constantly in the holocaust denial/white nationalist community. Yes, they make the argument that gas was never used. But the slip up and repeated digging about "innocent people" reveals a very dark truth about Trump and co.

I am tired of our media apologizing for this jackass AND for attempting to normalize Trump and "forget" the Russia scandal as Trump and co. gaslight the U.S. with a cheap strike against Syria and total theater w/Tillerson in Russia, now threatening North Korea, and issuing "ultimatums?" And now we hear that Ivanka decided that Trump should strike Syria, and that the advisors are just "appeasers" in the eyes of Eric Trump. Lovely.

MSNBC is discussing right now Dr. Gorka, Trump's "expert" on the Middle East, who has explicit ties with a Hungarian neo-Nazi group. He wears a MEDAL FROM THIS GROUP. He is just one example.

[metroins]

1. He used the words chemical weapons

I don't think he outed himself as a denier, I think he's just stubborn. He didn't want to accept he was wrong.

His job sucks and he also sucks at it, but I bet it pays well.

[Johnny2X2X]

5. No

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Neo Nazis have long been using this exact statement to deny the gas chambers existed. Basically been a talking point for Deniers for decades that Hitler would surely have used this gas in the front lines if he had it at all.

Sick.

And don't forget, this isn't the administrations first flirtation with Holocaust Denial.

[anneboleyn]

10. Exactly. Spicer also didn't "apologize" for hours. That is dogwhistle crap.

[metroins]

16. I try to see the best in people

I don't think Spicer is that way.

We will just disagree.

[Johnny2X2X]

19. Best case he is just dumb

Best case is that he was just repeating a line that he heard in the White House. There are for real Neo Nazis in the White House.

[The Big Ragu]

18. Zyklon B was used as a chemical weapon, I think.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Spicer believes the 6 million murdered Jews were NOT innocent people.

He knows they were gassed, he just TRULY believes as does almost everyone else in the WH that Jewish people are not innocent and were exterminated for a reason.

I am telling you this is his mindset. Jewish prisoners were killed because they were Jewish, so in the mind of a white supremacist like him, they were not innocent.

[anneboleyn]

6. That is my point exactly. This was NOT A MISTAKE or "slip of the tongue." "Innocent people" is

code for the white nationalists/holocaust deniers. And he doubled own on it -- this wasn't just a blunder.

[demigoddess]

22. it was 6 million Jews and 5 million of other groups.

killed by Hitler.

[smirkymonkey]

3. I don't know how much more of this I can take.

I think I am on outrage overload. Every day there is a new injustice, how much worse can it get?

[anneboleyn]

8. I really wonder. He's also spent more $$$ on golf than Obama did in his entire two terms. Trump

is doing so many insane things, has offended so many people, has blown so many meetings and statements, and is so blatantly refusing to follow our basic rules of gov. that I can't even imagine where we will be if this jackass is still in office in a year.

[yallerdawg]

4. When you don't care about people...

it is very hard to pretend you do.

This administration is riddled with people who care about no one but them and theirs.

[erinlough]

7. I think Spicer should stay on as the ultimate symbol of this presidency.

He is unable to spin so that anyone believes him, his gaffs are amazingly tone deaf and he lies terribly. What more could we want? He is the picture of the Trump presidency and the entire group who surround him.

[tblue37]

21. It is typical of Trumpsters' incompetence that the president's PRESS SECRETARY, whose

job is to a significant degree that of presidential spokesperson and PR flak, is a verbally challenged, stuttering nincompoop. Usually a press secretary at the very least has some ability to speak publicly without stepping on his own tongue and his own . . . whatever.

[melman]

9. He didn't say what you have in quotes there

What he actually said is bad enough, there's no need to make up stuff to make it worse.

[anneboleyn]

15. Spicer was word vomiting but used the word "innocent" and given the ties to Holocaust denial stuff

this is definitely something that needs to be pointed out.

[D_Master81]

11. I think

he like trump can never admit wrong. so he'll try to BS his way out of this any way he can. Like Trump, he should just admit he's wrong and move on. Its the continual explanations that dig it deeper.

[leftstreet]

12. Did Spicer use the word 'innocent?'

[anneboleyn]

14. Yes he did and more than once

[herding cats]

20. He did.

Just like he later today said Trump was trying to destabilize the region in reference to Syria.

Slip of the tongue or Freudian slip?

[colsohlibgal]

13. Dumb Takes Over

I think h is just dumb and ignorant, not a real denier. I worked with a lady who was a denier, but then she thought she was being spied on through her shower spigot.

[BigDemVoter]

17. Maybe he meant that he thinks that Jews aren't innocent at all and got what they deserved.

Maybe he meant exactly what he said--"innocent people" didn't have gas used on them. . . . ergo, Jews WERE gassed, thus THEY were guilty of something. . . .

In any case, these people have to FUCKING go. Every time I see Sean Spicer's ugly mug, I want to spew.

[Generic Brad]

23. In his world view, Jews were not the German people

Much the same way we are not considered Americans by the Republicans.