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Obesity rates in Europe, by country: (Original Post) marmar Dec 2011 OP
NOt surprisingly, most obese countries have a higher heart-disease death rate Weisbergkevin Dec 2011 #1
Proud to say I am Romanian! Hepburn Dec 2011 #2
I'm a little suprised that Germany doesn't have a higher rate slackmaster Dec 2011 #3
Ever been there? They eat sausage and drink beer, but then they bike home. Bucky Dec 2011 #4
Also: Mira Dec 2011 #5
Perhaps that's a serendipitous benefit of their uber-strict drunk driving laws. slackmaster Dec 2011 #6
Correction: They eat sausage and drink A LOT of beer. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #15
Germans... SOS Dec 2011 #8
Our genetic composition probably isn't helping either. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #13
It would be a good idea to compare these rates with smoking in the same populations. Ford_Prefect Dec 2011 #7
I'm not surprised at Norway's low rate Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #9
The U.K. is worse than us. dawg Dec 2011 #10
Mayo on chips is completely alien to the British muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #12
Thanks. That clears up a micsonception of mine. dawg Dec 2011 #14
English cuisine is very good. DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #21
If you eat at expensive restaurants. GoneOffShore Dec 2011 #29
That wasn't my experience in England and France DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #33
Mayo on fries is more continental European. marmar Dec 2011 #19
graph looks like what I would expect. FLSurfer Dec 2011 #11
Come to the Minnesota State Fair. You'll see it! qb Dec 2011 #17
I'm even seeing more and more seriously obese people here in Denver DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #34
The illness is attacking from the West! Europe better do something before they get as fat as we are. qb Dec 2011 #16
My Mom was surprised about how thin folks in Italy are bigwillq Dec 2011 #18
It's those f--kin' shoes! You can't get fat feet in them! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2011 #24
ha ha bigwillq Dec 2011 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Dec 2011 #20
I've never been to Europe, so I have no way to compare--but I wonder if portion size TwilightGardener Dec 2011 #22
You've probably hit on one of the biggest factors. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #23
That must be it--I remember reading a quote from someone from the UK who was surprised TwilightGardener Dec 2011 #25
A lot of Americans who travel to Europe complain about the small portion sizes. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #26
We love the small portion sizes in Europe. GoneOffShore Dec 2011 #28
To each his own Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #31
Potatoes (even GMO ones), salt, heat and dairy fat? What's not to like? GoneOffShore Dec 2011 #32
I can only offer this Aerows Dec 2011 #30
Supposedly drinks with artificial sweeteners trick your body into craving more food Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #37
Japan definitely has smaller portion sizes Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #36
We, and people from United Kingdom...stand out..if you go to Japan.. Stuart G Dec 2011 #35
Italy - kind of surprising treestar Dec 2011 #38
and most Italians bike & walk a lot more than we do here..n/t SoCalDem Dec 2011 #39
 

Weisbergkevin

(39 posts)
1. NOt surprisingly, most obese countries have a higher heart-disease death rate
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:26 AM
Dec 2011

Those at the top of the list of obese countries are likely to be at the top of heart-disease-related deaths: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_dis_dea-health-heart-disease-deaths

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
3. I'm a little suprised that Germany doesn't have a higher rate
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:28 AM
Dec 2011

But facts don't always coincide with prejudices.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
15. Correction: They eat sausage and drink A LOT of beer.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:40 PM
Dec 2011

Drinking for 3 hours at lunch with the postmen in no easy feat. Also they love their heavy starches. Don't know that any amount of biking can burn those calories. Their genetic make-up helps.

SOS

(7,048 posts)
8. Germans...
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:18 PM
Dec 2011

Drink like fish, smoke like chimneys and drive like maniacs.
And yet they live longer than Americans.

Our diet and mercantile medical system are not doing us any favors.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
13. Our genetic composition probably isn't helping either.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:33 PM
Dec 2011

Would be interesting to do a study of Germanic populations in the US.

Ford_Prefect

(7,895 posts)
7. It would be a good idea to compare these rates with smoking in the same populations.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:39 AM
Dec 2011

I suspect the correlation would be instructive. Not that I believe there is a specific causative relationship between smoking and Obesity. I think that one of the causes of both is functioning in the cultural fictions distributed by advertising. I also suspect that there may be an addictive factor in some "popular" foods or additives to processed foods.

The research I have seen says that education level and income do correlate as contributing factors to Obesity. Hardly news says I.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
10. The U.K. is worse than us.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:24 PM
Dec 2011

I know, I know. We have 33.8% obesity and they only have 24.5%.

But if 24.5% of them can get obese eating *their* food - they must be worse off than us!

(Must be the mayo on the chips.)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
12. Mayo on chips is completely alien to the British
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:30 PM
Dec 2011

Salt and vinegar is standard; tomato ketchup the alternative.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
14. Thanks. That clears up a micsonception of mine.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:35 PM
Dec 2011

I've been told that English cuisine is actually pretty good, but I like to tease.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
29. If you eat at expensive restaurants.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:27 PM
Dec 2011

And they are VERY expensive.

You'll eat more cheaply and better in France, Italy and Spain.

DavidDvorkin

(19,475 posts)
33. That wasn't my experience in England and France
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:21 PM
Dec 2011

I didn't eat at any expensive restaurants in England. I ate very good food at cheap places.

In France, I ate at various levels of restaurants and had food that varied from quite good to mediocre. It didn't seem to correspond to the price level of the restaurant, either.

FLSurfer

(431 posts)
11. graph looks like what I would expect.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:29 PM
Dec 2011

Only thing that suprises me is the US.
I've seen our high rate of obesity quoted before but I don't see it in real life.
I really don't know anyone who would be considered obese. I don't see it amongst my kids friends.
Maybe it's regional but I just don't see it living on the beach in Florida.

DavidDvorkin

(19,475 posts)
34. I'm even seeing more and more seriously obese people here in Denver
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:22 PM
Dec 2011

And yet Colorado is supposed to be the least obese state in the US.

qb

(5,924 posts)
16. The illness is attacking from the West! Europe better do something before they get as fat as we are.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:00 PM
Dec 2011
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
18. My Mom was surprised about how thin folks in Italy are
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:03 PM
Dec 2011

Mom and Dad visited a few years ago and that's one of the things she mentioned about the trip.

Response to marmar (Original post)

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
22. I've never been to Europe, so I have no way to compare--but I wonder if portion size
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:56 PM
Dec 2011

and constant availability of junk food, HFCS and soft drinks play a role? My sons had friends who would down their own entire 2 liter bottles of Mt. Dew and Dr Pepper in an evening.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
25. That must be it--I remember reading a quote from someone from the UK who was surprised
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:10 PM
Dec 2011

at the masses and piles of food Americans expect on their plates. We model our diets after the all you can eat buffet, I guess.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
26. A lot of Americans who travel to Europe complain about the small portion sizes.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:14 PM
Dec 2011

They surmise that they are not getting enough for their money. I'm a big eater, but a bit of a fitness addict so I don't have much room to talk. I usually eat a whole pizza in a sitting.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
28. We love the small portion sizes in Europe.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:23 PM
Dec 2011

And never feel that we're not getting enough for our money.

The American (Broad Brush here & I know it) desire for abundance often results in the "this food is terrible and there's not enough of it". This accounts for the Olive Garden phenomenon I suspect.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
31. To each his own
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:17 PM
Dec 2011

Depends on what I'm in the mood for. I like a big meal after a big day, but most of the time I have 4 or 5 smaller ones. I'm not quick to disparage Olive Garden. I actually like their gnocchi soup and maybe 2 or 3 other dishes. The one thing I can't resist are Outback's cheese fries. Call me crazy.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
32. Potatoes (even GMO ones), salt, heat and dairy fat? What's not to like?
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:31 PM
Dec 2011

I use Olive Garden as a sort of meme for the sorts of food that comes out of the corporatized factory farm type of restaurant. Tastes pretty good but probably has more calories than nutrition.

And, as someone who has been eating organic and local for over 20 years (I'm lucky, I have access and can afford it) I find that eating out, even at good restaurants can be a bit of a digestive trial, unless they source their ingredients really well.

If I had the cheese fries at Outback I'd probably end up on the bathroom floor at 2A even after taking Tums.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. I can only offer this
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:43 PM
Dec 2011

I don't drink soft drinks because I've never liked them. I only drink unsweetened iced tea, water or the occasional glass of milk. I have no weight problems and I eat just about anything I feel like eating, including Big Macs from McDonald's. Soft drinks play a big role, I believe, in our obesity problem. My sister, her husband and her children all constantly battle their weight. The two children are adopted from different regions of China, so it's not just genetics, either.

The can go through two litres of Pepsi, Diet Pepsi, Orange and Sprite at a rate that is just astonishing. My BIL only drinks Diet Pepsi, but it doesn't look like that helps either. I suspect it's the quantity. He can go through 2 two litres in a DAY.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
37. Supposedly drinks with artificial sweeteners trick your body into craving more food
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:10 PM
Dec 2011

That could be the reason.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
36. Japan definitely has smaller portion sizes
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:09 PM
Dec 2011

and a lot of Americans define a "good restaurant" as one where you get a lot of food for your money.

When a "family restaurant" has an all-you-can-eat special, it's always something like spaghetti, pancakes, French fries, or some other cheap, high-carb item. It's never "all the steamed vegetables you can eat."

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
35. We, and people from United Kingdom...stand out..if you go to Japan..
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:43 PM
Dec 2011

I was in Tokyo in 2007 and I was about 10 pounds overweight, clearly not obese and I saw that on one train I was on, that was filled up, I was the fattest person there..

treestar

(82,383 posts)
38. Italy - kind of surprising
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:14 PM
Dec 2011

All those carbs - then again, maybe what I'm thinking of is more Italian-American than Italian.

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