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Macron has won! (Original Post) beveeheart May 2017 OP
Here Is a Link to the Guardian Leith May 2017 #1
watching 24 France - declared winner! mchill May 2017 #2
Watching le Pen now. beveeheart May 2017 #6
A strong victory is GREAT NEWS! nt Ilsa May 2017 #3
Whoohoo! blogslut May 2017 #4
awesome! mnmoderatedem May 2017 #5
+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #22
Congratulations to the French people! NastyRiffraff May 2017 #7
Maybe they took note of what was happening to us under Trump The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #9
+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #23
They learned.. we were a cautionary tale.. Cha May 2017 #56
Just got the BBC bulletin shenmue May 2017 #8
Very good news, indeed! suffragette May 2017 #10
Vive la Resistance! There is still hope for the world. Thank you France! Fla Dem May 2017 #11
Vive la Resistance! FUCK Putin, tRump and Bannon! BigmanPigman May 2017 #16
Generation X wins its first major election. bathroommonkey76 May 2017 #12
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #21
C'est magnifique! calimary May 2017 #13
WOOHOO! MoonRiver May 2017 #14
Maybe France can save us again in our time of need? Beartracks May 2017 #15
Merci france!!! You chose compassion! Nt retrowire May 2017 #17
+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #24
YES!!! France sent a big FUCK you to Trump, Bannon, Putin! fun n serious May 2017 #18
Don't knock centrists, people! beastie boy May 2017 #19
A French centrist would be well left of center in the USA bigbrother05 May 2017 #58
The U.S. Bill of Rights and the Independence Declaration were borrowed from France's question everything May 2017 #20
Like! So glad Macron bitch the bigot LePen...wish we had done that here in US iluvtennis May 2017 #25
YEEEEEEEESSSSS! nt JTFrog May 2017 #26
Makes you wannabe French. democratisphere May 2017 #27
Trump's tweet on Macron... iluvtennis May 2017 #28
Watch padah513 May 2017 #37
Yep, and our US media won't call him on it. GAAAAH iluvtennis May 2017 #38
Thank God the French voters were told of the Russian interference. Makes us more angry Akamai May 2017 #29
Actually, credit the French voters, Americans WERE told by President Obama, 17 intelligence karynnj May 2017 #47
Congrats to France, they didn't fuck up like us. n/m RhodeIslandOne May 2017 #30
She voted for Le Pen to piss people of, soreminiscent of the [non]thinking that occur ed here in US iluvtennis May 2017 #31
- Bigredhunk May 2017 #32
VIVE LA FRANCE! COLGATE4 May 2017 #33
Take that, Bannon and Putin!I orangecrush May 2017 #34
Putin: You put a clown at the White House, but the circus has...closed. You won't succeed in Europe iluvtennis May 2017 #35
Hallelujah! A good sign! nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #36
Vive la France. dchill May 2017 #39
Woo-hoo!!!! I am so glad we do not have another trump but with a vagina!!! Doreen May 2017 #40
It's interesting, isn't it, athena May 2017 #45
They will not outwardly admt it but they have seen their mistake Doreen May 2017 #46
Bravo France! smirkymonkey May 2017 #41
His crowd is bigger than 45's Inauguration crowd. Tweets coming!! nikibatts May 2017 #42
LOL good one onetexan May 2017 #52
Eerily reminiscent of the Iraq War era: Germany, France, Canada, and Mexico all opposing it Blue Ridge Virginia May 2017 #43
When Macron got the highest vote in the first round, athena May 2017 #44
Macron's speech was so powerful. democrank May 2017 #48
I am so happy! 90-percent May 2017 #49
LOL thank u for the good laugh onetexan May 2017 #53
Beautiful speech. Tatiana May 2017 #50
Vive la democratie!!! onetexan May 2017 #51
Vive la France! GoneOffShore May 2017 #54
I have a message for you guys Cha May 2017 #55
It's less easy to game the system with.... MrPurple May 2017 #57

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
9. Maybe they took note of what was happening to us under Trump
Sun May 7, 2017, 02:18 PM
May 2017

and decided they didn't want any of that. Trump's tacit "endorsement" of Le Pen might have helped Macron.

question everything

(47,475 posts)
20. The U.S. Bill of Rights and the Independence Declaration were borrowed from France's
Sun May 7, 2017, 03:07 PM
May 2017

At least, they stick by their founding principles.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
29. Thank God the French voters were told of the Russian interference. Makes us more angry
Sun May 7, 2017, 03:33 PM
May 2017

At Comey's lackluster response to the Russian Hacks of Hillary.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
47. Actually, credit the French voters, Americans WERE told by President Obama, 17 intelligence
Sun May 7, 2017, 05:07 PM
May 2017

agencies and by Hillary Clinton in one of the debates where she referred to the statement of the 17 agencies. That all happened more than a month before the election.

In contrast, the ONLY notice that the French got was a statement put out by the Macron campaign about 5 minutes before the quiet period began. The government did nothing itself other than make a very strong statement about the news media honoring the quiet period. The Macron campaign had earlier spoken about the fake news from RT and Sputnik and that they had been the target for a huge number of unsuccessful hacking efforts.

I suspect that two big things may have made the difference -- one was the American experience that Macron did reference when speaking of RT and the hacks, the other was that Macron was seen as "clean" and that he forcefully had denied the allegations that Le Pen hinted at in the last debate and actually filed a suit.

In addition, I think a clearer case could be made that the Comey letters and the email investigation itself were the cause. The argument on the leaks is far more subtle and hard to prove. Where you can see the polls shift drastically with the Comey letters, I did not see any clear impact when the leaks happened.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
40. Woo-hoo!!!! I am so glad we do not have another trump but with a vagina!!!
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:33 PM
May 2017

Way to go France. Good for you saying screw you Russia. I hope he will join Merkel and Trudeau as a leader of the free world. We definitely need them.

athena

(4,187 posts)
45. It's interesting, isn't it,
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:45 PM
May 2017

that those who accused female Hillary supporters of "voting with their vaginas" were not the least surprised when female Hillary supporters did not support Le Pen.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
46. They will not outwardly admt it but they have seen their mistake
Sun May 7, 2017, 05:03 PM
May 2017

and saw she is like trump. If only they could outwardly admit it it might be safer in the future elections for us. We will have to see.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
42. His crowd is bigger than 45's Inauguration crowd. Tweets coming!!
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:39 PM
May 2017

I feel like we just had a real election in the US.

onetexan

(13,037 posts)
52. LOL good one
Sun May 7, 2017, 07:55 PM
May 2017

please someone post a picture if you can find it. I can't wait to irk the hell out of the orange idiot.

 
43. Eerily reminiscent of the Iraq War era: Germany, France, Canada, and Mexico all opposing it
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:43 PM
May 2017

while the Brits were every bit as stupid as the Americans in supporting nonsense and hatred and false accusations. We have four longterm allies who know the score and one whose voters are as clueless and easily manipulated as our own.

athena

(4,187 posts)
44. When Macron got the highest vote in the first round,
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:43 PM
May 2017

Fillon and Hamon told their supporters to vote for Macron. The French recognized the gravity of the situation and voted for a centrist to stop the progress of a neo-Nazi fascist.

If it had been the U.S., there would have been endless complaining about how Macron shouldn't have won, how his campaign had supposedly cheated, how Mélenchon or Hamon would have been stronger against Le Pen, how leftists should stay home because Macron was too centrist, how leftists should vote for Le Pen to teach the Socialist Party a message, how Macron wasn't really that different from Le Pen, how five years of Le Pen wouldn't be the end of the world, etc., etc.

I congratulate the French people. They have succeeded where Americans have failed. May we learn our lesson this time.

democrank

(11,094 posts)
48. Macron's speech was so powerful.
Sun May 7, 2017, 05:09 PM
May 2017

I couldn't help but compare Macron to that disgusting bully we have in the Oval Office.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
49. I am so happy!
Sun May 7, 2017, 05:11 PM
May 2017

WE ARE ALL NOT STUPID DEMOCRACY LUVIN' FRENCHIES NOW!

A steel toed motorcycle boot directly to the gonads of KLEPTOCRATS the world over!

Has the Short-fingered vulgarian called to congratulate yet?

-90%

onetexan

(13,037 posts)
53. LOL thank u for the good laugh
Sun May 7, 2017, 07:58 PM
May 2017

i'm sure it's bugging the hell out of him that one the same day Le Pen loses Barack Obama is receiving the JFK Profile in Courage award. I hope he pops a vein from rage and jealousy.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
50. Beautiful speech.
Sun May 7, 2017, 05:13 PM
May 2017
Thank you my friends, he says. Thank you for being here this evening. Thank you for having fought with such courage for so many months because this evening you have won, France has won.

What has been accomplished has no precedent or equivalent, he says. People said it was impossible. Thank you for the efforts, and the risks some people took. I take full measure of the honour.

He says he is aware he has not been given a blank cheque by those who voted for him simply to keep out the extremist parties. He says he will stand by his engagement to protect France.

He says of those who voted for Le Pen that he understands their fear and their anger and will do all he can to ensure during the next five years that they have no further reason to vote for the extremists.

This evening, he says, it is Europe and the world who are watching us.

Macron says the task facing us is immense, and will start tomorrow. It involves reinforcing France’s economy, building new defences, ensuring the safety of all French citizens. It is a huge job and it will require more of the same audacity that has brought us this far.

This task will require the involvement and commitment of everyone, he says. It will require the courage of truth. It will require the building of a real and strong majority, a majority for change that the country needs and deserves.

We have the strength and the energy. We will not give in to fear, to division, to lies, to a love of decline or defeat. I know what I owe you, to my companions, my family, my friends. It will not be easy. The job wil be difficult.

I will tell you the truth but your fervour and your courage will carry me forward. I want the unity of our people and of our country. And finally, I will serve you with humility, with force, and in the name of our motto: Liberty, equality and fraternity.

I will serve you with love, he says. Vive la République, vive la France.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/may/07/french-presidential-election-emmanuel-macron-marine-le-pen

onetexan

(13,037 posts)
51. Vive la democratie!!!
Sun May 7, 2017, 07:52 PM
May 2017

So glad the french people chose to keep fascists from taking over their country. They need to keep this fight up, however - Le Pen got 34% of the vote and this will embolden the extremists moving forward.

The map on NYT's story is resoundingly blue: https://www.nytimes.com/. It gives me hope democracy is still alive. We as Ameiricans need to make sure it doesn't die in our country.


MrPurple

(985 posts)
57. It's less easy to game the system with....
Mon May 8, 2017, 12:35 AM
May 2017

Direct popular vote, partisan locals can't reduce the # of polling places in unfavorable districts from 16 to 1, no games to remove voters from rolls. I'm not familiar with voting details in different countries, but it seems like the US may be one of the more corrupted democratic systems out there (in an actual first world democracy).

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