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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, who takes the kind of notes Comey did?
Lots of people do that, and for many reasons. As a journalist, such notes were a contract requirement at one of the magazines where I was a freelance contributing editor, for example. Whenever I had a conversation with a software company regarding a product I was reviewing, I had to take detailed notes of all conversations with corporate people and PR reps. That way, I had a record of those conversations in case they complained about anything in the published review. From time to time, those notes came in very handy.
Many people also create memos to themselves about important telephone conversations, so they're sure they remember anything that was important. I often have lengthy conversations with clients on the phone. I use a headset for such calls, and have a document open during them. I take live notes on the conversation whenever a point of fact is discussed.
In many corporations and in the military, such memos and notes are actually a requirement, and for good reasons. I suspect Comey made a habit of such note-taking, just to make sure he could accurately remember what was said. Writing it down immediately is a solid, good practice in many situations.
As for what to do with those notes, if they're really important, I email them to myself with an email header that clearly identifies them and save them on my desktop PCs hard drive. Since my emails are stored in the cloud, I have a backup that way. I imagine Comey did something similar to ensure that the notes would be available under any likely circumstance.
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)People like Trump, who's position in life enables him to bully people to agree with him regardless of their own experienc of some encounter or meeting.
Like you say, professionals who depend on having evidence to counter fact checking and other attacks will keep notes. And, like Comey apparently did, you create a paper trail. Comey apparently had the habit of sending memos to his superiors and/or fellow workers so that there is evidence of what his recollection was at the time, and not at some later date.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)Unlike Sally Yates, who put the country's needs first, Comey invariably put his own needs first. He sent those letters about investigating HRC because he didn't want to be attacked by conservatives for having favored her. And every time he was in a meeting where he was asked to do something inappropriate, instead of doing what was right for the country and disagreeing openly, he merely wrote memos to cover his own ass in case he got into trouble. As much as some people may admire him, he's not a patriot. He's much too focused on his own self-interest for that.
In short, the memos make a lot of sense. I fully believe he wrote them. It makes a lot of sense. But it does not make him a good person. It makes him the worst sort of self-centered loser, someone I wouldn't want to have anything to do with in my personal life.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I was merely describing a common practice. I don't believe you'll find any praise for Comey in my original post.
athena
(4,187 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)One story was based on emails leaked to the Times shows that Comey had written to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in 2005, arguing that the torture tactics were a bad idea and that Gonzales and other Justice officials would regret being pushed by the White House to approve them.
At the time the stories were published, Obama Justice Department officials marveled at the fortuitous timing of someone close to Comey coming to rescue of his larger-than-life, good guy reputation.
The guy has a history of this sort of behavior -- documenting an incident that makes him look good, and then leaking the document just at the right time.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)The letter was all about defending himself against attacks by Republicans in Congress. It's in the link I posted, which no one seems to have even clicked.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-to-conduct-new-investigation-of-emails-from-clintons-private-server/2016/10/28/0b1e9468-9d31-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.fc1402d223af
(snip)
The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), issued a blistering statement Friday expressing shock at the FBIs vague announcement, which she said played right into the political campaign of Donald Trump.
The FBI has a history of extreme caution near Election Day so as not to influence the results, she said. Todays break from that tradition is appalling.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)I think he thought he could contain situation better this way.
I know what you mean.
Comey was already investigating Trump. I don't think he wanted a Russian colluder as Prez.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)if he talked to his IT Forensic people before he issued the letter. To determine how long they thought the process of searching the emails of Weiner would take. My guess is that he didn't.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)as he "cleared" her. He's a sanctimonious, self-promoting, showboating (45 got that right, anyway) snake.
athena
(4,187 posts)We are in total agreement about Comey's personality. He's all about himself. The contrast with Sally Yates, who put the country first and ended up being attacked for it, is remarkable. People like Yates do the right thing and are attacked. People like Comey do the wrong thing and are lionized.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Edit: I meant to respond to the OP. Oops!
brush
(53,778 posts)IMO he even counted on it being leaked. There is actually a video of him saying that.
What's the term?
Ahhh, now I remember.
Partisan hack... and now a partisan hack with regrets.
still_one
(92,190 posts)investigation was NOT reopened
shraby
(21,946 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)It is a pattern of behavior. Read the article I linked in my other post.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)themaguffin
(3,826 posts)many others.
athena
(4,187 posts)My post is not about whether notes are standard practice or good protocol. I'm a prodigious note-taker myself. My post is about Comey and how his focus is completely on protecting himself. I am utterly disgusted with him, and with the fact that his kind of self-interest is what this country values these days over other qualities like empathy. You can choose to lionioze him if you wish, but to me, he is a typical Republican: someone who cares more about his own self-interest than about anything else. And it disturbs me that so many people, including Democrats, admire him. If he were a woman, DUers would be disgusted with him, but because he's a man, everyone's first instinct is to come to his defense.
This is a guy, who:
1. wrote e-mails to GWB's attorney-general about how torture is a bad idea in 2005. He then waited four years to leak them, when Obama was president and torture was generally discredited.
2. wrote a letter to Congress, 11 days before the 2016 presidential election, letting them know he was investigating HRC, in order to defend himself against Republican attacks that he was biased in favor of HRC. He knew that letter could get out and influence the outcome of the election. But it was more important to him to ingratiate himself to the Republicans by showing that he was being tough on HRC. Of course, he didn't mention anything about the ongoing investigation of the Trump administration's possible involvement in the Russian hacking of the DNC. That wouldn't have been appropriate.
3. carefully made a memo detailing how Trump tried to bully him to drop the investigation of Flynn. And he quietly held on to that memo, leaking it only after he had been fired by Trump.
There is no question that note-taking is a good idea. That, to me, is obvious and not very interesting. What is interesting to me about Comey's note-taking, e-mailing, and letter-writing is that it's always focused on protecting Comey, or making Comey look good. In my mind, he is clearly someone who looks out for one person and one person only: himself. He couldn't care less about the good of the country. In this case, what he did (i.e., leaking the memo) happened to be good for the country. But that's not why he did it. He did it to get back at Trump for firing him.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Who might have extensive notes and how reliable those notes might be.
Mineral Man says it's not his intention to make any value judgements..
Yes, ass saving is the exact reason folks take extensive notes...
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)I am no defender of Comey, but I simply don't see this aspect as simply CYA.
brush
(53,778 posts)I'm so glad somebody finally got my point.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)notes is part of FBI training. As a former FBI person said on Chris Hayes last night, You are taught how to wite notes and it is drilled into the training, 'If you don't write it down, it didn't happen'.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)We try to write things down as we go because otherwise we know we'll forget details.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Absolutely correct. A common and necessary practice in law offices. I've been at it for over 35 years and all attorneys I've ever worked under did it as a common thing - "memo to the file".
Comey is (obviously) an attorney.
LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I'm an attorney and an obsessive note-taker. I've sometimes taken notes at a meeting only to drop them in the trash on the way out the door afterward, but I just can't BE at the meeting without taking notes.
These days, of course, I wouldn't drop papers in the trash. I'd take them home and recycle them. In a large commercial office building, I have no confidence that stuff in the recycle bin will actually get recycled. This point has nothing to do with Comey but I don't want to be seen as deprecating recycling.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)No doubt Comey was aware of this and took steps to protect himself and to counterTrump's inevitable dishonesty about what took place.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trumps-own-bankruptcy-lawyers-say-he-lies-so-much-they-could-only-meet-with-him-in-pairs/amp/
"Donald Trumps own bankruptcy lawyers testified that they had a policy of not meeting with the real estate mogul alone because he had a problem of constantly lying.
On Tuesday, Buzzfeed published thousands of pages of court filings from three of Trumps bankruptcies in the 1990s. Twitter user @nycsouthpaw highlighted several pages from the Trump Plaza depositions, which reveal the extraordinary steps Trumps lawyers took to deal with his tenuous relationship with the truth.
In depo for Trump Plaza bankruptcy case, Trump's own lawyer testifies they often met with him in pairs because Trump lies so much. pic.twitter.com/TdEkdf4ZiB
southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) October 6, 2016
In one document, bankruptcy attorney George Miller reveals that when meeting with Trump, its always been our practice to make sure that two people are present, and we dont have a problem with people lying.
Miller calls Trump an expert at interpreting things. Lets put it that way.
We tried to [meet in pairs] with Donald always if we could because Donald says certain things and then has a lack of memory, he says in the deposition."
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)..we were trained to document conversations (FBI<CIA<IC are trained as well to document for very real reasons)- I may be retired now, but listening to the Memcon explanation it reminded me of my own training....
Comey was fired - can you just imagine how he feels about that right now....how it was done BS....by the orange POS..he couldn't carry Comey's sweat..
This is why, among many other reasons I have signed this petition...
Be well MM
https://impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/
TeamPooka
(24,226 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)that I considered possibly illegal. I kept all my grade books...photos of major tests...and memos given to my boss. I also kept a daily journal of every word my boss said to me and all disciplinary records, phone calls to parents info...saved my butt when I had a classroom incident and later when the shit hit the fan with the investigation...used it to prove I never participated in the test scandal.
I resigned at the end of the semester. I refused to teach in that state again and went into business. It was akin to child abuse to teach in that state.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)and he was stupid enough to actually post it
I acted like I was extremely dumb,so he spelled it for me....I know people who can make folks disappear.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Oddly enough, I wasn't the one who got fired, thanks to my detailed notes.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)he was eventually fired and I was offered his job...
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)I love the moment when people involved realize their gig is up!
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I have several stories about times when it saved mine. One involves Microsoft.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Helps keep a contemporaneous written record.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)I haven't done the job in 10 years and still have all my notebooks I used and a copy of every report I ever did that was for anything more than trivial matters. I also have digital copies of every recording I made.
Why? Because memories fade, and at any time still I could be called to court to testify about something or I could have someone contact me about an old case or how that case tied into a new case.
Even when cases were fresh in your mind notes can keep things clear, because when you worked 5 domestic abuse calls in 3 days cases can run together and you don't want to say something on the witness stand from the wrong case and damage your credibility.
And by keeping detailed notes on what can even seem mundane you can often break a case. I had one serial domestic abuser who was hiding because we had multiple arrest warrants for him and when I went back to look at my notes I had on him noted that one time he mentioned his cousin had a cabin that he had been camping at as an alibi. I looked up on the county property records where the cabin was and saw it was still in his name. Drove out there and there sat out guy fishing on the dock in the pond. The more info you have the more likely you are to have something useful in it.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Comey is such a person, I believe.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)He was an Ashcroft deputy at DoJ under GW Bush.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)I was just a regular civil servant, not a manager, and I took notes at meetings and wrote up minutes/memo for the records shortly afterwards. I used a wordprocessor, printed them out and stored a copy in my "memo" folder. I still have them, decades later.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)We were advised to keep these types of notes for our personal record if there was ever anything that didn't feel right or if something went terribly wrong with the delivery of patient care. That way, if it ever went to court, you could refer to these memoranda as a testament to your thoughts at the time. We were
Advised not to use a lot of words to write these and to leave the emotion out of them.
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)It's exactly what a good HR dept would have you do.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)After most important meetings I write a memo to the file with those in attendance, time, date and place along with major topics and surprise revelations. I often review them before meeting with the same group. Microsoft outlook has made this very easy, and it is backed up at 11:59 every night.
I don't write one daily, but anything out of the ordinary or any meeting I may think I need to Jolt my memory gets one, i currently have 664 memos to file in my folder over ten years.
Kali
(55,008 posts)it is especially important in business or dealing with government. not a bad thing to do when you have an asshole neighbor as well.
back when a group of us were fighting for the "life" of a local community radio station that had been taken over by fascist assholes we cc'd all emails and phone notes to a public forum to document their bullshit.
transparency. I am almost always in favor of it.
MedusaX
(1,129 posts)private & public school settings, I consistently encouraged teachers to document absolutely everything....
I had learned the value of 'documentation' early on as a promotions/advertising negotiator and found it to be equally as valuable when working in the classroom.
Each person develops their own technique /process for informal written notes and mental notes to be used when generating formal documention of any interaction, situation, or ongoing series of events.
FWIW...
My favorite has always been color coded post-it notes...
great for those of us who tend to notice everything (squirrels included)
and find ourselves in a perpetual state of multitasking.
cilla4progress
(24,732 posts)In conflict situations - especially employment - to keep contemporanous notes. They are among the most legit evidence.
Also clients in my Limited License Legal Technician practice.
Standard CYA operating procedure.
brer cat
(24,565 posts)but that they will be given significant weight in any legal proceedings. From NYT: An F.B.I. agents contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations. Whether you love or loathe Comey, you have to know the man isn't stupid. From everything I have read about this, there is no question he left a thorough paper trail. If this winds up in any legal proceeding, it will not be two kids yelling "You did"'; "I did not." Comey will start with instant credibility; trump with none unless by some highly unlikely chance there is an unedited recording that contradicts what Comey says.
Yonnie3
(17,441 posts)at work as a supervisor and manager. I also kept separate notes for my personal life about financial, tax, and legal matters.
I kept them in a Day Minder and would copy them and place copies in file at the office and at home. In later days I would scan them and keep the files in several places. My notes were used in a hearing regarding an employment matter. They were readily accepted and had an impact on the proceedings, because they were complete and continuous. The complainant had a history of bogus claims and had no evidence, but had often prevailed due to the nuisance value of their claim.
I was very glad my personal notes weren't put in evidence.
WhiteTara
(29,715 posts)I was a CASA for many years and you take notes, copious notes and not only handle in email, but file the hard copy notes.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)One of my jobs is "No matter whose fault it is, how do we fix the situation that got fucked up?", but one of my boss's jobs is "Who fucked it up? AKA: Who's going to pay for it?"
Therefore I have to keep a trail of what happened and who did what.
Most of my exchanges at work are email to email. My SENT file (and the back-ups) is my record of what was supposed to happen, what actually happened, and what we're doing about it. Sometimes (often enough) someone breaks the chain and picks up the phone and calls me. On those occasions, I take notes so that I can send them an email about what we just talked about on the phone, and now there's a record of it in my SENT file (and the back-ups).
I do pretty much the same thing for meetings. Notes during and after the meeting. Then send an email.
Almost everybody I've ever met who claimed they had a great memory actually had a shitty memory. They were just too lazy to take notes.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)Learned it from lawyers when I was a paralegal. Then I moved to Human Services and took notes whenever anything could turn into a he said, she said, when I thought I could be accused of not doing things, and when someone asked me to do something that seems funky. Also whenever I observed someone else in a situation where they could be accused of doing something wrong by some no-goodnik, when I was part of a situation where we could get into trouble because one member was problematic, or whenever else for any reason it looked like things could go south. Especially when in a situation with a known liar, truth bender, or the generally personality disordered.
I just described my entire career after my retail days.
2naSalit
(86,612 posts)the government, as a lowly single digit GS employee, I take those kind of notes.
Hekate
(90,686 posts)...of intense presentations, with my marginal commentary, in longhand. It was how I remembered things.
When I was an admin asst and supervised others, I was trained to memorialize things about my supervisees in anticipation of the annual performance review. Memo to file.
At one of my secretarial jobs I did keep a CYA file, because there was someone above me who I did not trust and my immediate boss (the actual department head), was gone for long periods of time. Other than that, no CYA files.
When I was on a County Commission, I automatically took notes of our interviews.
Good high school teachers taught note-taking back in the day, and it was an extremely useful skill for me. Only arthritis (i.e. age) and carpal tunnel syndrome slowed me.
I would be very disappointed to hear of anyone in a position of real responsibility, such as the FBI Director, who did not keep memoranda of all contacts with others of high responsibility and power. Betcha there's files on every Cabinet member he met too. Just keeping things straight in his own mind, among other things.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)A paralegal. It's not unusual for facts-oriented people to memorialize conversations and meetings shortly after they occur. The reasons are multiple.
First, the other participants may remember things differently. So there is this memorialization, put down near the time of the meeting, to refresh everyone's memory.
Second, if that person leaves the company, the successor has a record of what has occurred and been said by the parties, at least in the view of the person writing the memo.
Third, the person who memorializes the meeting has a refresher for himself, to use to prepare for the next meeting on that subject.
It's not done for a nefarious purpose. It's just a factual memorialization. Although it COULD be done, if a situation is contentious. But not necessarily.
It's well known that putting things in writing shortly after they occur is more reliable than remembering them later.
Gothmog
(145,231 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)When I did tech support to create a record of what was said and done on the call. Pretty much standard procedure.
brooklynite
(94,571 posts)Kleveland
(1,257 posts)Just look at his signature....
It's a line drawing of a KKK gathering!
(As pointed out elsewhere)
WilmywoodNCparalegal
(2,654 posts)I always made contemporaneous notes. When you interview someone, you don't want to jot down too many notes. What I do is to jot down key words or dates or specifics; it also helps you keep concentrated on the interviewee (norming the interviewee, looking for unusual behaviors possibly indicating deception, etc.). Once I am done, I immediately write a fully fleshed report trying to describe as many details and phrases verbatim.
I also save the information in a couple of spots, using coded file names. This is pretty standard practice. I cannot blame Comey for not reporting his concerns. For one, if he thought the DOJ (Sessions) was part of the collusion, obviously that would have been pointless. Secondly, assuming that his memos are verified (and I think they will be), it lends me to believe that Trump himself is knee-deep into this and he was keeping this stuff as further evidence.
onetexan
(13,041 posts)both for personal and business reasons. Note: by leaking the fact that these notes he took do exist, Comey implicated himself. He needed to reveal at the time those things happened (i.e., trump telling him to shut down Flynn investigation in February) but didn't do so.
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)If Comey didn't know he was talking to a criminal beforehand, he left the room with sufficient suspicion to add Trump to his list of criminals.
Trump's New Impeachable Offenses: Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy, Abuse of Power
EXCLUSIVE: Sealed Indictment granted against Donald Trump
dogandturtlemom
(41 posts)As a retired healthcare provider, I found even questioning taking notes was an issue. It is clear in our health professions, if it wasn't documented, it didn't happen! Why is this so questionable that an important contact, especially the unusual context, would be documented.
murielm99
(30,740 posts)I did it with someone I did not trust. I did it with board members routinely, when I was a library administrator. That was simply so I would have a record of conversations. I was not sure I would remember everything otherwise. It was not a matter of trust, but of professional behavior.
volstork
(5,401 posts)We take those kind of notes; it's called the medical record, and it's a medico-legal document covering the details of every interaction with a patient. Such documentation serves as a real-time account of encounters. Courts subpoena medical records all of the time, and knowingly fraudulent alteration of the medical records is grounds for stripping liability insurance from a physician.
This is just to illustrate that the taking of notes during or after an important encounter of any type is a critical part of many professions, as MM describes in his OP.
Comey was doing what he needed to do to create appropriate documentation of his encounters with 45.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Taking accurate notes is an excellent practice, even if it's just to aid your memory long-term. It's a great idea for everything you listed, and very definitely for legal reasons. The legal system honors written notes much more than people relying strictly upon memory (which can be very faulty).
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)Then I email the person after the meeting. We discussed this, we decided that, I'm supposed to do this , you're supposed to do that.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)And union rep I was constantly taking notes or confirming conversations in writing.
And on more than one occasion they proved invaluable in holding people (usually management) to account for statements or decisions made.
Several arbitration decisions went my way because the arbitrator gave more credence to my written notes/documentation than they did to the recollected testimony of company witnesses.
Simple sidenotes help to establish the credibility of the notes. E.g. What color tie the supervisor was wearing, who was sitting next to who, what was the weather at the time...
Definitely a practice I would recommend.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)I always take notes and type up a meeting summary afterwards, bullet pointing who has agreed to do what. Among other things, this is really effective at making me remember the meeting (our client meetings are generally very pleasant, and often conclude with a lunch, so noting down the business parts of it to review later that day - or maybe the next - really keeps my mind jogged about the meeting).
barbtries
(28,794 posts)if it isn't documented it didn't happen.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)A lot of people rely on their own memories, but our memories soon fade. Words on paper don't. It's always a good idea, but a lot of people don't bother with such notes.
GBizzle
(209 posts)It's the ultimate CYA move.
Comey, as both a lawyer and a law enforcement official, would absolutely develop this habit.
orangecrush
(19,555 posts)And he is going to take 45 down hard.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I'm not a huge fan of Comey. But, on the topic of Donald Trump, I'm glad he was there.
orangecrush
(19,555 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...record, what's to keep a bad player from cherry picking or even embellishing what they write, in the event they want to later report things with a certain slant? What makes written notes trustable?
Would we trust Trump's notes, or Nixon's? Never.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)However file creation dates are pretty easily preserved on computer records. I would assume that such notes would be created on a computer and saved, or, as I do, emailed to myself.
As with all testimony, credibility has to be established for the person testifying.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)....despite everything.
Nay
(12,051 posts)took notes, usually just so I'd remember exactly what I was supposed to do.
One time it saved my ass. I had a real jerk boss who, unbeknownst to me, was going to throw me under the bus. HIS boss came to me and asked me why I had done such-and-such -- I replied that *jerkboss* had met with me and outlined what he wanted, and I did it. His boss asked if I had notes on that meeting, because jerkboss had told him that he had said no such thing. I whipped out my notes and I made him copies. I heard third hand that jerk boss got a real dressing-down for his actions. And my ass was saved.
MojoWrkn
(139 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)A video record and/or audio record would have been great too. I would not have blamed him one bit if he had worn a wire.
As the physician said in this thread, I also took notes. I was a therapist, and for treatment and legal reasons, you NEED an accurate record of what you do and say and what the patient/client says and does.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)and shared them with coworkers, who would initial them if they agreed with what they said. Fortunately for me, higher ups noticed the boss was crazy and he got canned, I didn't.
I know exactly why he took his noties and showed them around. Been there.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)After having a few really bad experiences in a short period of time.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)"As we just discussed at the meeting today, it is your position that the department should ignore the directive from the governor's office". Saved my butt a few times in case they later say "legal counsel advised us to ignore the directive".
Even when not covering my ass, I usually send an email after a meeting to "sum up". That too has served me well when a client emails to say "remember when we had that customer who blah blah blah?" I can sound really smart by finding the email and answering "of course I do, we decided we had to give him a new hearing"
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)When attempting to understand a subject area, what are the (perceived or real) obstacles to improving processes, etc.
Cha
(297,224 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)And there, as in any large bureaucratic entity, documentation is the Alpha and Omega, and everything in between. You keep *everyone in the loop*, avoid "surprises" as much as possible, and always, but always, cover your entire department's collective rump.
If I (or anyone on my team) had acted for ONE DAY as "Team 45" does routinely, it would have mean a quick trip to HR to fill out separation papers and turn in your keys, laptops. The offenses would be so great that any state employee rights/protections would be null.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)To document problem student behavior that is ongoing and may require future action. CYA.
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)Especially a serial abuser like Trump.
You write that stuff down and document it.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)I log the time, day, duration, and in depth notes on the conversation. I've done it for years and it's invaluable.