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spanone

(135,831 posts)
Wed May 17, 2017, 11:28 PM May 2017

Naming Robert Mueller as special counsel isn't enough because Trump can get rid of him

There is now credible evidence that President Trump pressed then-FBI Director James B. Comey to end the investigation of Michael Flynn, the administration’s first national security advisor. If true, Trump could be guilty of obstruction of justice. But there is no mechanism in place to ensure a truly independent inquiry of this or other possibly illegal actions by high-level Trump officials.

Congress should therefore renew the independent counsel statute providing for the appointment of a special prosecutor, one who cannot be fired by the president or the attorney general.

Without the protection of the independent counsel law, Trump can order Rosenstein to fire Mueller, and fire Rosenstein if he refuses.

On Wednesday, Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein announced he was appointing former FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III as special prosecutor to take over the Justice Department investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election. Without the protection of the independent counsel law, however, Trump can order Rosenstein to fire Mueller, and fire Rosenstein if he refuses.
Nor is an investigation by Congress or an independent commission enough. Criminal charges, if warranted, cannot be brought unless there is a prosecutor.


http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-chemerinsky-freedman-special-prosecutor-20170518-story.html
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Naming Robert Mueller as special counsel isn't enough because Trump can get rid of him (Original Post) spanone May 2017 OP
Trump can't fire him. brush May 2017 #1
He can but it would precipitate a Constitutional crisis. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #2
No, he can't. geek tragedy May 2017 #3
He can order Rosenstein to fire Mueller DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #6
True. But firing Rosenstein would be suicidal. geek tragedy May 2017 #8
He's a lunatic. But whomever he fires has to pass the Senate. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #9
i added a paragraph where this author claims he can thru ordering rosenstein to fire him spanone May 2017 #4
Mueller has bipartisan support GP6971 May 2017 #5
He could, but it wouldn't go over well at all mvd May 2017 #7
Mueller won't do anything drastic. ucrdem May 2017 #10

brush

(53,776 posts)
1. Trump can't fire him.
Wed May 17, 2017, 11:30 PM
May 2017

It would be like Watergate deja vue. The pushback itself would wound him and the repug party mortally, which is why the repugs won't allow it.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. He can order Rosenstein to fire Mueller
Wed May 17, 2017, 11:39 PM
May 2017

If Rosentein refuses he can fire him.

That is how the Saturday Night Massacre occurred


Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. Ruckelshaus also refused and resigned. Eventually Solicitor General Robert Bork fired him.

GP6971

(31,146 posts)
5. Mueller has bipartisan support
Wed May 17, 2017, 11:38 PM
May 2017

so my guess is 45/140 will try to fire him. Which will blow up in his face.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
10. Mueller won't do anything drastic.
Wed May 17, 2017, 11:46 PM
May 2017

He'll dust off Jimbo and launch his talk-show career but other than that I don't anticipate much drama emanating from that quarter.

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