The Phaedrus

[H2O Man]

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“Things are not always what they seem; the first appearance deceives many; the intelligence of a few perceives what has been carefully hidden.”
Plato; The Phaedrus

News reports indicate that the FBI investigation into the Russian-Trump scandal has begun to focus more attention on the president's family members. Recent media coverage has indicated that on the day before Trump fired FBI director Comey, two FBI investigators visited the sons at the family's business. The “official” purpose was to discuss an attempted “hack” of their business computers. There is a very good OP/thread on this, found here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029121270

There's another good OP/thread regarding the FBI's focus on the son-in-law, regarding meetings he attended between the election and Trump being sworn in. See:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029121394

While reading these stories, or hearing about them on television news, keep a few things in mind. First, the FBI agents were not obligated to tell the sons the complete and accurate reasons for their visit. A visit such as this can be to unsettle a person in the friendliest of ways. Some criminals get spooked to the point that they attempt a stupid move in the hours and days that follow. (If I could find a link to one of the OP/threads coming the Trump sons to Beavis & Butthead, I'd post it, as I think that's accurate.)

Also, in regard to the excellent article on Jared Kushner, keep in mind this April 3 article from the Washington Post. It's about Kushner and Flynn's sending Erik Prince to an island off of Africa, for a secret meeting to develop secret lines of communication between the White House and Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.1a5c3bba9e64

Although the media reports suggest the FBI is particularly interested in two other meetings Kushner had with the Russians,be aware of their relationship to the island meeting. For that island retreat is surely one of the Trump family jewels.

[WinkyDink]

1. Jared needs imprisonment. Maybe he can stay in his Pa's old cell.

[H2O Man]

2. Very good!

What an arrogant clown he is! How could he have believed not only that he could master foreign policy, much less break the law and get away with it?

[Jane Austin]

3. I can't find

where it says Jared went to the Seychelles.

Can you point me to it?

Thanks.

[H2O Man]

6. You're right!

I'll fix it.

[Jane Austin]

8. Thanks. I thought I would have remembered that

as vividly as I remember Eric Prince's being there.

[H2O Man]

11. I should never try

to type when Malcolm Nance is on tv. It vastly increases the probability of making a stupid mistake!

[Jane Austin]

13. Isn't that the truth.

He usually isn't on very long, but Chris Hayes is sticking with him tonight.

[malaise]

4. K & R

for truth

[H2O Man]

7. Thanks!

[malaise]

16. Excellent point re the sons

because the early Kushner talk suggested that he was not being investigated.

[democrank]

5. Not to make light of this disturbing development, but

I'd better plan a trip to the Dollar Store so I can stock up on those notebooks with index pages. How on earth can the average person keep track of all this? The number of players and their assorted dirty tricks, unethical behaviors and potential crimes is almost mind-numbing.

I know the difference between a couple troubling days and outright chaos, and this is chaos with a capital T.

With luck, Trump's new proposed War Room, rapid response team, and herd of lawyers, will fail to keep him from accountability for the damage he has done to this country.

[H2O Man]

9. I like to get

a few posters, especially the ones with the graph on them. Build a White House model, and add notes under each name. It sounds odd, I know, but it's something the Canadians did on Rubin's case .....with lots and lots of posters placed together.

[eleny]

14. That War Room will be an interesting place without Trump's "Jared crutch"

[H2O Man]

18. Right!

And that "War Room" will have leaks. We can count on that.

[eleny]

19. Rubbing my hands together at the thought of leaks!

[spanone]

10. K&R...

[H2O Man]

12. Thanks!

[eleny]

15. Melber covering the island meeting while filling in for Rachel this evening

He opened with it.

[H2O Man]

17. He's good.

[coeur_de_lion]

20. the tangled web

is starting to unravel.

I'm buying popcorn.

[H2O Man]

22. It's hilarious,

in a sense. These people thought that they were so smart. Fucking idiots.

[coeur_de_lion]

34. They managed to piss off the intelligence community

who have already taken out one president.

It seems to me that they are preparing to take out another.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

21. A big, fat K&R!

[H2O Man]

23. Thank you!

[triron]

24. kick for visibility

[H2O Man]

27. Thanks!

[tblue37]

25. K&R for visibility. nt

[H2O Man]

28. Thank you!

[Hekate]

26. KnR. Ari Melber said that Jared called Gorka, the banker, on the qt. Wtf?

I swear I heard him say that. It was like he called Gorka first to set up this back channel. I'm trying to wrap my head around the extent to which Trump, Jared, and the whole damn family apparently thought of the US Presidency as just another damn real estate branding deal.

[H2O Man]

29. Right.

Kushner and Flynn were pushing for the secret lines of communication. The people that they, and Erik Prince, met with makes it rather obvious why they wanted secrecy. (And the fact that a low-life like Prince was involved is telling.)

[AntiFascist]

30. Quid Pro Quo...

http://www.newsweek.com/uae-set-backchannel-meeting-seychelles-between-trump-donor-putin-confidant-578683

Any U.S. demand for Russia to withdraw its support for Iran would likely require something beneficial to Putin’s government, such as the lifting of sanctions that Trump’s predecessor Barack Obama implemented after Russian incursions into Ukraine in 2014.

and now Trump may be lifting (more) sanctions?

[H2O Man]

32. Right.

Prince deals in the tools of the mercenary trade. I'm confident that military intelligence was not comfortable with this jackass attempting to hijack US foreign policy.

[countryjake]

31. K&R!

[H2O Man]

33. Thanks, countryjake!