They knew the fix was in when they refused to Confirm Merrick Garland.

[LaydeeBug]

and FUCK YES, I mean voting equipment *too*.

They *knew*. Do NOT let them frame the fucking narrative.

The fix was in from THAT long ago at LEAST. NEVER forget this.

These motherfuckers committed TREASON, and we should never let them forget it.

[mhw]

1. Yup LadeeBug. They knew..they were assured of a 2016 power grab

McConell just had to stall, obstruct the seating of Garland and run out the clock.
They damn well knew.
This coup didn't just happen over the course of a few months.

Insulting arrogant & unAmerican.

[LaydeeBug]

5. to say nothing about TREASON and being TRAITORS. nt

[3catwoman3]

2. I have been saying exactly this...

...for months. Why else would Yertle the TURDle have been so intransigent about his refusal to hold a hearing.

This whole damn election, and every appointment Two Scoops has made, need to be thrown out.

[LaydeeBug]

4. exactly! nt

[Amaryllis]

48. I have been saying that for months too...

More here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029173171

[Maraya1969]

57. I concur! We need some really smart players to figure out how to do this.

If there is any way to get those traitors our and have another election we shoud try for it.

OR if we can just get the election deemed as hacked and therefor illegal would she be the legal president after all is said and done?

[CanonRay]

3. That's the only way the whole thing makes any sense

[YCHDT]

6. They only have to hack the voter roles and registration ... same effect ... a hacked election

[SoCalMusicLover]

8. You Hack The Election Results Too...Just To Be Sure

There's no way the election was not stolen from Clinton.

The same way '04 was stolen from Kerry.

And like Good Little Democrats, we're going to huff and puff, and Do Nothing!

And they expect us to believe our votes matter, and that elections matter. BULLSHIT.

[YCHDT]

9. So true, there's no way the got into state and local electoral data and just walked away from it

[LaydeeBug]

13. Exactly. Why on *EARTH* *WOULD* they stop there?

[Amaryllis]

51. They just did that for fun, sort of like a science fair project. Just to prove they could. And then

stopped. And of course, the vote count wasn't affected...
I never did believe that.

And more here, by the way:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029173171

[trentwestcott]

54. I'll go along with you on the 2016 election being hacked, but 2004?

If they had the capability to hack the 2004 election, then that means they decided NOT to use it in 2008 and 2012. Why would they decide not to use it if they had it then?

[dawnie51]

7. Once again.....

Ms. LDBug tells it like it tis!

[Stellar]

10. Damn straight!

McConnell's butt should be under the jail.

[0rganism]

11. corollary: the fix is in for 2018 too

they're still much too eager to play along with Trump and double down on his crappy policies to make me think they have any doubts respecting the outcome.

and if you think about it, they have to steal the next election, and the one after it, all the way down the line from now on, until the population generally accepts autocratic fascism as the American Way, to keep the cover-up in place. if they lose before acceptance sets in, the whole thing could blow up in their faces and land a bunch of them in jail. so they need to steal them all.

expect it.

[Wellstone ruled]

12. Hunch is the

Trojan Horse software is still in place. No one is even going there at all. Reading Stories about the Bot's still doing their thing and it is 6 months later.

The blurb last late June or first of July,told us McConnell and Pals were in on this from the get go.

[Amaryllis]

50. MOre here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029173171

[Wellstone ruled]

53. Thanks,just found this

thread,again,damn hunch was right. Mr. Obama tried to increase funding and people to stop this stuff,but,McConnell and Ryan blew him off.

[athena]

14. They can't steal it if it's a landslide.

Our job is to get out the vote. Only a close election can be stolen. A landslide cannot be stolen without it being obvious from exit polls that it was stolen. If we get out the vote in 2018 and 2020, we can stop this slide to authoritarianism.

[renate]

16. I wish I could agree with you

The past few months have shown us that if there isn't a remedy in the Constitution, there's nothing we can do.

I've seen threads about what happens if there's actual honest-to-God proof that the election was stolen and/or the voting machines were hacked. The consensus seemed to be that nothing would happen: nobody would be removed from office, no legislation would be revoked... because there's no mechanism for undoing the results of a hacked vote.

So I would guess that the only way to handle it would be preemptively--to introduce and enact legislation before the fact, so there's a roadmap.

[athena]

19. That is not going to happen.

Claiming that the election is going to be stolen is going to produce one thing, and one thing only: people will not vote. This is a well-known phenomenon. When people have no faith in the integrity of the election process, they don't bother to vote. Our only hope lies in winning back the House and the Senate in 2018. Please don't discourage people from voting by claiming, with no proof other than your own personal belief, that the vote will be stolen no matter what.

If we all get out and vote in 2018, we will win back the House and the Senate. The only reason this past election was stolen is that too many damned people decided that they didn't want to be led by a woman. If more of us had voted for Hillary, if we had avoided fighting each other and instead focused on the reality of what the election meant, she would be president now. So please stop blaming the situation on the Russians, and the Russians only, and discouraging people from voting in the future.

[renate]

24. ???

Did I discourage anyone from voting? Did I blame the Russians and Russians only? No, I certainly did not. I would never do either of those things. Did I even claim that the election is going to be stolen? No.

I just said that there wasn't a remedy for a stolen election (whether it's a landslide or not), which as far as I know is true. I also suggested one possible solution.

I worry that it's entirely possible that even if exit polls, etc, are 80% in favor of Democrats, the voting machines can say that a Republican won, and there is simply no way for exit polls to take precedence over vote tallies.

I think we're on the same page really; a landslide would certainly make it more awkward to fake a vote tally. Just not impossible.

[athena]

25. Disagreeing with someone who points out

that a landslide cannot be stolen is equivalent to saying that the Republicans will win the next election no matter how anyone votes. The typical Democrat who works three jobs is not going to make time to vote in an election that people say is going to be stolen no matter what how big the margin. Words matter. Words have consequences. You should be very careful before you make certain arguments, especially when those arguments are based on no evidence beyond an illogical personal hunch.

You have suggested no solutions. How do you propose to change the Constitution when the Senate, the House, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court, as well as the majority of state houses, are controlled by the Right, and when the next election is bound to be stolen no matter how big a landslide it is?

I am no longer going to waste my time arguing about this. Anyone who cares about democracy can see that it's a bad idea to make sweeping statements on this important topic without thinking about the consequences of one's words.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

38. Pre-ordaining a result absolutely discourages people from voting, esp. in this case Democrats.

You are WRONG. It is NOT preordained.

Please stop promoting the meme and discouraging people so they think their vote doesn't count.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. There is a remedy in the Constitution but it requires enough Republicons getting really scared.

Article II, Clause 6 allows Congress to make law to afford succession in the case that both President and VP are removed simultaneously. Currently there is a list of succession but that could change.

Rightfully, the Majority Popular vote winner should get the Presidency once it is established that the Republican President Trump and Republican VP Pence and Republican Speaker Ryan and Republican Senate leader McCONnell colluded with the Russians to steal the Electoral College.

Democrats must tie the Republican brand so tightly to tRump that he becomes so toxic to them that enough reach over the aisle to restore Hillary Clinton in a desperate attempt to salvage the Republicon brand and their electoral chances.

Unlikely, but the effort will pay big dividends in 2018 and 2020 regardless of what happens in this year, 2017, the last year of the Republican Trump presidency.

P.S. No judicial confirmations in this his last year.

[0rganism]

17. you say that...

actually, a lot of people have been saying that, for a long time now.
but i'm having some doubts.
in the absence of official exit polls, how do we even know it's a landslide? how do we know the tabulators haven't been compromised to flip vote counts between candidates and adjust precinct-level reported results accordingly? what would give us confidence that Republicans at the state level are acting as honest brokers for our democracy?

i have not heard solid answers to those questions.

furthermore, if there have been shenanigans, there is absolutely a direct motive to continue said shenanigans to prevent anything resembling a thorough investigation of what amounts to a very serious set of crimes. they pretty much need to do so, or they risk... consequences. vote adjustments must continue, landslides included, or the whole thing falls apart and they go to prison en masse. there isn't a middle ground on this one - they can't steal just one or two, gotta catch 'em all or the scam starts to fall apart.

[athena]

20. There are exit polls. There are pre-election polls. A landslide is a landslide.

Also, please see my post #19 above. By claiming that the election will *definitely* be stolen, you are making it more likely that people won't bother to vote. That is a very dangerous, and very irresponsible, thing to do.

[0rganism]

22. 2 things

1. there aren't any "official" exit polls used in the process of certifying election results. when the election results contradict pre-election polls, the media bends over backwards to assure us that it was the result of turnout anomalies among underpolled segments of society or some other pablum. the magnitude of the margin is not necessarily an issue; any result can be explained away given sufficient credulity of the information consumer.

2. read more carefully. i didn't claim "the election will *definitely* be stolen", rather that if the Republicans have been stealing elections then they would have direct incentives to continue stealing them in perpetuity, a hypothetical. furthermore i'm inclined to believe my claims on this site aren't doing a damn thing to influence the vote one way or another. i believe it's a safe bet that even if we had conclusive evidence that Republicans were stealing elections, 99%+ of people who read this site (including me, by the way) would vote anyway in the name of making them steal it.

[athena]

32. You have said nothing to suggest that a landslide can be stolen.

You don't need "official" exit polls when you have a landslide. When pre-election polls are predicting 80% for one candidate, and the results are 49%, the media cannot explain that away. They *would* not try to explain it away. There are many liberal and independent-thinking journalists who are part of the media. If journalists stayed quiet about suggestions that an election was stolen, we wouldn't know today that the last election was stolen.

Moreover, hacking into a handful of systems in three or four swing states and flipping a few hundred votes is one thing; hacking into a large number of states and flipping tens of millions of votes is quite another.

Saying that "the fix is in for 2018", and then disagreeing with someone who points out that a landslide cannot be stolen, IS arguing that the next election will be stolen. And if I were you, I wouldn't be so quick to pull a number out of the air and claim that 99% of DUers would vote even if everyone were saying the election is bound to be stolen. Most DUers have jobs and family obligations. Many DUers live in blue districts where voting means standing in line for a long time. Having done many hours of canvassing, I know for a fact that many Democrats find it a major hassle to vote, and that many of them don't vote because they don't think their vote matters. Telling people that their vote matters even less than they think is a terrible idea, unless your goal is to decrease voter turnout even further.

[0rganism]

34. then there's nothing to discuss, right?

except maybe your selective quoting of my subject line, leaving out the word "corollary" which indicates a logical continuation from the previous post.

you're right about the inconvenience thing though, i tend to forget about that living in Oregon where voting is easy, but i'm not going to self-censor. anyone who uses the internet regularly can easily come across all manner of content far more discouraging to voter turnout than one forum poster *hypothesizing* that once an election has been stolen, the thieves would need to keep stealing.

[mythology]

18. What possible reason would you have to say that?

It's obviously justification for not having an explanation for why they don't "steal" more elections.

There is no evidence at all that actual votes were changed, no matter how much some people want to believe it. Provide some evidence if you want these unsubstantiated claims to be taken seriously.

[Rene]

23. need to get the vote tally'ing server's logs

show exactly what the I/P address is and whether that I/P gets switched to another server to run a 'fixed' vote flipping script of same name....on alternate server....then switches back to original server to report.

[trentwestcott]

55. Here's an idea...

Ready?

Paper ballots!!! You can find out who won in the morning.

[LaydeeBug]

61. Yep. Because as long as we don't address what they're doing, they will continue to do it. nt

[rurallib]

15. Totally agree - the question is how far down the line did they know?

Just McConnell or did Grassley know also. IIRC Grassley came out almost immediately after Scalia's death to say he would obstruct.

[mountain grammy]

21. K & R

Because I agree. They wouldn't give up that seat because they knew..

[Cryptoad]

26. STill seems that,,,,,The Coup is Complete!!!!

They control the election results, no matter who votes for what.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. You too. Pls DO NOT DISCOURAGE Democrats from voting. Please stop. . . nt

[we can do it]

60. Not this crap again.

[Leith]

27. Of Course - Anyone Who Doesn't Realize It Needs to Answer One Question

HRC was always ahead in the polls. Why would McTurtle hold off on the Supreme Court nominee vote for her?

OF COURSE they were waiting for a rethug to steal the election!!!

[gerryatwork]

28. So.....

...what are we gong to do about it. The fix was in, is in now, and is going forward.

[lark]

29. Yep, treason it is.

Every time I refer to these Russia Repugs, I call them what they are - traitors!

[CrispyQ]

30. That's what I believe.

GOP leadership is in this up to their necks. They protect the Con cuz they know he'd rat them out in a second. I'm beginning to think their strategy is counting on no one to rat. That's a lot of rats to count on! And the Con might be the weakest of them all. Or SIL Jared. Right now, I give it 50/50 we save our country or they take it over. But one thing's for sure - we don't have until 2018, much less 2020.

[Mike Nelson]

31. Yeah...

...that never made sense. We're going to pass on this left-to-moderate in order to get to Hillary's nomination?

[jmg257]

33. NOW what? We hold them to the fire - how?

Do what to Russia?
Do what to trump?
Do what to the GOP?

Well- at least Impeachment proceedings have begun.

[tiptonic]

35. Comrade

Conrad Benedict donald.

[Ligyron]

36. That's exactly what I thought too.

I mean the moment Trump somehow "won" that election.

A halfway progressive Justice in place for the next decade would have destroyed their agenda for good.

[bucolic_frolic]

40. Yup they never would have done it unless they were stone cold certain

because Donald Trump was right, he told us the truth for once, the election
was rigged and he knew it.

[Oden]

41. Over confident

I was always blown away by how smug and overconfident they all acted before the election.

[rzemanfl]

46. Welcome to DU. n/t

[dalton99a]

42. Yep. They all knew.

[Botany]

43. I wish that

n/t

[ffr]

44. Ladee, you speak for me.

[davekriss]

45. I agree

All we have now are "show" elections and "show" congressional hearings.

[Initech]

47. I keep thinking what would have happened if Scalia hadn't died?

How much different would things be right now? Or would they be worse? Different? The same?

[TheDebbieDee]

49. We all KNOW that the Russian hackers meddled with down-ballot vote totals, too. Right?

Some of the very republicans re-elected last fall seem so dis-interested in the RUSSIAN election-hacking angle of these investigations. I wonder WHY?

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. Democracy ended by McConnell and others, that day, when Merrick Garland refused

We either fight them in this war or we concede and hand the keys over to Putin.

The idiots supporting Trump dont yet know that when Putin takes over, he will take their homes, land, etc.

If they would spend five minutes researching this they would find out Russians are in deep poverty BECAUSE of Putin.

[LaydeeBug]

56. yep...because they KNEW, and none of them are worried about re election because they know

they *will* be re elected.

They will *keep* doing it as long as we pretend it is not happening.

[Initech]

65. I think an uprising / civil war is the only way for this to end.

And it seems they want that because it would give an excuse for martial law to be declared. God damn them.

[LaydeeBug]

66. I think the kGOPee party has been "at war" with the left for decades now

we've been reaching out to them...treating them like rivals...and they've been treating us like the enemy.

[Initech]

67. And I think it's way past time we said "enough is enough".

We need to start kicking them in the balls. They've been treating us like the enemy for too long and I think it's time we started standing up for ourselves and what we believe in. They crossed the line electing an incompetent buffoon to lead, and then the crossed the line again defending his treasonous activities. Enough is enough.

[southerncrone]

58. My post yesterday.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9169546

[LaydeeBug]

59. ...is spot on. nt

[L. Coyote]

62. That was my impression back then too.

Of course, I'm influenced by knowing the fix was in in 2000 and 2004, and gradually more and more elections were being fixed to take over states and Congress.

[barbtries]

63. i agree.

it's when i stop and think none of them will ever pay for it that hope flags. bastards.

[niyad]

64. exactly!!