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kpete

(72,018 posts)
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 07:13 AM Jun 2017

BLOOMBERG: Russian Breach of 39 States Threatens Future U.S. Elections

Hackers said to take measure of voting systems, databases
A ‘red phone’ warning to the Kremlin from Obama White House



Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

The scope and sophistication so concerned Obama administration officials that they took an unprecedented step -- complaining directly to Moscow over a modern-day “red phone.” In October, two of the people said, the White House contacted the Kremlin on the back channel to offer detailed documents of what it said was Russia’s role in election meddling and to warn that the attacks risked setting off a broader conflict.


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BLOOMBERG: Russian Breach of 39 States Threatens Future U.S. Elections (Original Post) kpete Jun 2017 OP
"Republicans balked" 😡 we can do it Jun 2017 #1
Paper ballots. n/t DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #2
we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #11
The electronic machines that are used in my county have a paper ribbon backup for auditing. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #16
Unless you could prove that there is no way to hack or otherwise fuck with the machine DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #21
Yep. There are multiple levels of fuckery that can be performed. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #22
yeap YCHDT Jun 2017 #20
Ugh! Horrible! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #3
The first Secretary of State to mandate paper ballots in their state... Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #4
And yet many on DU want to change focus from Russia to the 2018 mid-terms Mr. Ected Jun 2017 #5
Paper ballots may not help much unc70 Jun 2017 #6
My 1st thought mercuryblues Jun 2017 #8
it is certainly not a case of either/or; why wouldn't they do both? of course they would. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #12
Take all machines offline. Hand out paper ballots. Tatiana Jun 2017 #7
Paper ballots won't solve the problem of hacked registrations. Jim Lane Jun 2017 #9
why do people continue to suggest that this must be an either/or question? we need to address both TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #13
I obviously wasn't suggesting that. Jim Lane Jun 2017 #15
Yes, but we shouldn't have the registration databases online either. Tatiana Jun 2017 #19
I'm undecided about that. Jim Lane Jun 2017 #23
Yep. There is a reason the French don't allow electronic voting dalton99a Jun 2017 #10
freaking republicans are going to let this happen to America Achilleaze Jun 2017 #14
We need to get this fixed before 2018. Initech Jun 2017 #17
kick this times infinity librechik Jun 2017 #18
K & R Duppers Jun 2017 #24

TheBlackAdder

(28,216 posts)
16. The electronic machines that are used in my county have a paper ribbon backup for auditing.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 03:31 PM
Jun 2017

.

Needless to say, it's a county that leans towards the Democrats, so they make sure all votes count.

.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
21. Unless you could prove that there is no way to hack or otherwise fuck with the machine
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:02 PM
Jun 2017

I'm not sure how I can trust the receipt that was produced by the same machine. I'm still for paper ballots.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
4. The first Secretary of State to mandate paper ballots in their state...
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 08:15 AM
Jun 2017

will be a national hero!

No, I'm not holding my breath. Just sayin'

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
5. And yet many on DU want to change focus from Russia to the 2018 mid-terms
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 08:16 AM
Jun 2017

When the Russians may well be holding the strings to the 2018 mid-terms.

unc70

(6,120 posts)
6. Paper ballots may not help much
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 08:50 AM
Jun 2017

I am strongly for paper ballots, but that is not the main weak spot being exploited. That is the voter registration data bases. Use the Merced-funded Cambridge Analytics data on every voter (typically over 3000 items) to micro target which voter registrations to alter. Make subtle changes to those likely Dem voters so that they will be prevented from voting or forced to vote provisional. For example, some infrequent voters, deleting the registration might be tried; for others, a change of address might put the voter in a distant precinct, maybe back at a previous address. Lots of different attack vectors, not enough of a pattern at any one location to attract too much attention.

mercuryblues

(14,539 posts)
8. My 1st thought
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 09:38 AM
Jun 2017

was the same. How many voters were turned away at the polls because their info was hacked and changed. It no longer matched their ID.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
9. Paper ballots won't solve the problem of hacked registrations.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jun 2017

See unc70's explanation in #6. A polling place using all paper ballots is still reliant on the list of registered voters sent out from the Board of Elections. If voter Jones is improperly deleted from the database before the list is printed and distributed, then the poll workers won't give Jones a paper ballot when he or she shows up to vote.

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
13. why do people continue to suggest that this must be an either/or question? we need to address both
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 03:15 PM
Jun 2017

the machines AND the vote suppression. those are not mutually exclusive things.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
15. I obviously wasn't suggesting that.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 03:20 PM
Jun 2017

In a thread about hacked registrations, I was responding to a post that advocated paper ballots and said "Problem solved." I was pointing out that it would not solve the problem -- not that particular problem, anyway.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
19. Yes, but we shouldn't have the registration databases online either.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 04:58 PM
Jun 2017

This information should be stored securely and offline. Printed copies get generated and hand-carried to each polling place until we can figure out a way to make the system more secure.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
23. I'm undecided about that.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:24 PM
Jun 2017

There are advantages to having the registration in a properly secured computer database. Ideally we'd have a read-only file, so that people could double-check their own registrations and so that campaigns could mail to registered voters, but no one could alter data. Online data entry seems to me to be both unnecessary and a security risk.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
14. freaking republicans are going to let this happen to America
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 03:18 PM
Jun 2017

disgusting. republicans refusing to repond to defend America and American democracy is tantamount to treason.

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