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Washington Post Verified account @washingtonpost
Breaking: Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say
6:21 PM - 14 Jun 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/special-counsel-is-investigating-trump-for-possible-obstruction-of-justice/2017/06/14/9ce02506-5131-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html
Happy Birthday!
dalton99a
(81,516 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)The most beautiful.
FM123
(10,053 posts)FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)Happy birthday Cheeto 45!
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)This was timed for his birthday .
Every year on his birthday for so long as he lives, he can relive this day.
Just the kind of thing I've been praying for. And I'm an atheist.
duhneece
(4,113 posts)Watergate began with hyper partisan-ship, but the R's did 'come on board' (of what's right) eventually.
I'll hold my breath until I know if the same happens here.
And soak in my NM's Senator Heinrich being such a bulldog.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)sanctions placed on Russia. They are the root cause of the investigation.
Thank you, Pres. Obama.
Freethinker65
(10,024 posts)Fingers crossed that the GOP agenda gets slowed to a crawl
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)without hearings and try to shove it through because they know their time is short.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)wonder what makes people so upset? Have they not even read about the white supremicists (?) who support them? When things get close to THEM, like this shooting, it should wake them up. Secret meetings to reconstruct healthcare, with other representatives shut out is NOT the way to unify this country. What are they hiding? Who are they REALLY "representing"? Certainly not citizens who work hard. Did it not register that in Ca. four working class people were shot and killed as they prepared for their jobs? I hope those folks had healthcare, and life insurance.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)The Kochs funded so many of the radical RW Congressional seats (63 were gained in 2010 in the House alone), that it was only a matter of time before the vitriol from those folks, would spill out into the national consciousness.
A lot of this "secret" stuff is happening not just because they are hiding it from the Democrats, but in some cases, they are hiding it from their own loons.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)To the Republican draft dodger in chief
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)of condolence after shooting and there's balloons floating by. Trump still uses old twitter - guess cuz so many followers - or is it because it has his name in it. @pres probably more generic (dignified)
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Someone today noted that Qatar is one of the only 2 places in the world that makes helium, and the current dust up is affecting stocks of it, so b-day balloons may be a little flat soon.
BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)especially with the financial gurus getting involved. That would torpedo the whole TFEE and they can't have that.
mcar
(42,334 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Letting this info out today assures that he can't be fired without another Obstruction investigation being launched.
Well played, Mueller, well played.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)You have a kamikaze guy in office who has so far, done whatever he wanted whenever he wanted, without any repercussions. If they get too close, he may ignore all of his lawyers, advisors, and family, and fire him - Nixon be damned. His base would love it.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)There's just no way.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)who will find nothing. Someone like Kenneth Starr for example.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)ethical by-the-book person.
The problem is that once people start being interviewed, there are more and more people who can figure out where the investigation is going, what the line of questioning is and of whom. I suspect Mueller would much rather nothing leak. It hurts rather than helps his investigation.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)It sends a very clear message not to mess with his investigation. Note that this didn't come out until all the rumors of Mueller's firing were going around.
The release of this info seems very strategic to me.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)the guy who is investigating you, add in Comey not giving loyalty oath, add in Comey asking for more funds, add in probably others who were asked to get Comey to stop...
Cha
(297,323 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)BRDS
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)that he got Preet Bharara fired
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/mark-kasowitz-preet-bharara-firing
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Marc Kasowitz, President Donald Trumps personal lawyer in the Russia investigation, has boasted to friends and colleagues that he played a central role in the firing of Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, according to four people familiar with the conversations.
Kasowitz told Trump, This guy is going to get you, according to a person familiar with Kasowitzs account.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)where some advisors were encouraging him to do it while others were telling him no - along with Lyin' Ryan suggesting that he not do it. Seems they are all playing high-stakes chicken.
malaise
(269,054 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)and 2 scoops.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Tis Donnies Birthday after all.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Two scoops could do the job.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)He won't be around much longer.
procon
(15,805 posts)It would provoke a constitutional crisis, and make a special prosecutor all the more likely, and probably seal the obstruction of justice case against Trump, paving the road to an ironclad impeachment.
In any event, Trump will see this as a direct attack, and if he remains true to form, he'll lash out and do something incredibly stupid to exact his revenge, regardless of the blowback.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)prompted the "Fire Mueller" talk in the first place.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)the Louise Mensch story could have a grain of truth... (not that I want to get into that argument about her and Claude Taylor )
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)We knew he is corrupt AF
We knew that firing Comey was about obstructing the Russia investigation.
We knew that he had pressed at least 4 senior NatSec people to help quash the Flynn investigation.
Etc etc
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)dealing in some financial shenanigans with Russian bankers for laundering purposes (although not necessarily directly associated with the collusion angle). It wouldn't surprise me that the collusion actually came from the GOP leadership.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...unless and until the Republican congressional leadership decides there is. And, so far, we've seen no sign they're willing to go beyond the "deeply troubled" stage.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)He was so obsessed with asking Comey if he was the target of an investigation. Completely Obsessed! Now he has something to really worry about.
On Edit: Did anyone note that Hardball started with this story even before the shooting. Interesting
MiddleClass
(888 posts)Technically, it's not Russian involvement and Donnie two scoops.
As Watergate: it's not the crime, it's the cover-up
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...of Justice is very hard to prove. It's already obvious there was OOJ but Special Council really needs proof to charge a sitting (ugh) President.
oasis
(49,389 posts)today's congressional baseball shooting to the back burner.
This is yuuuuge!
malaise
(269,054 posts)That's the best idea - Tweety in response to Ryan asking how do you keep Congressfolks safe!
Go Tweety! You're too experienced for this 'milk it' moment.
kentuck
(111,103 posts)What happened??!
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)Yum yum
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)"How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?" "How about now?"
"How about now?"
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Yes. You are. Bigly.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)furtheradu
(1,865 posts)UTUSN
(70,711 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)Nostradumbass!
Duzy!
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)Hillary?
Cha
(297,323 posts)in the tweet it says a October 9, 2016 in Missouri at their debate.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)were going to be his own personal toys as president!
MiddleClass
(888 posts)I can see a sealed indictment + impeachment + resignation in our future.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)drip,drip
Cha
(297,323 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)He may end up still going through with that tweet in order to try to deflect.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)TNLib
(1,819 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)The deplorables are off the deep end defending their boy.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)but quite a few from the other side. Still... over 3200 and counting.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Better save your rubles, Pooty, you're going to need a loan from the Chinese at this pace.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)"'bot budget"
wiggs
(7,814 posts)laundering, emoluments, corruption, compromat, self-dealing, Trump Foundation misdeeds, etc. All larger and more dangerous than obstruction though maybe it will take more time and effort to get those in a technical/legal sense.
However, in impeachment, we're not really talking about technical issues...impeachment is a political effort more than anything, and the more that comes out on ALL fronts, even if obstruction is eventually put to rest, the more likely it is that congress will impeach....Especially if he keeps showing his skills at incompetence, insulting allies, bullying, losing his base, and malignant ignorance. If all the above stays in the news weekly, there will be a point.....
His supporters in congress may say he's on the right track and should be given a chance, but they have to be thinking the same thing we are...the guy is unstable, unwilling to learn, misguided, a-moral, incompetent, narcissistic, and a sociopath of some special kind. They know he should not be president and it's only a matter of time before they start saying it out loud. As long as we and the media put all our eggs in the one small basket...
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)to protect him so they can try to get their agenda enacted? And even then, he willingly throws them under the bus at a whim by saying or doing the opposite of what he promised them.
Motownman78
(491 posts)Then they will really start to panic. They have not lost a Republican seat yet. When their phoney-baloney jobs are in peril, they will act as Pence can act on their agenda just as well.
Moral Compass
(1,521 posts)I don't think Trump will be able to stop himself.
I believe we will see a historic replay of the Saturday Night Massacre.
What exactly happens after that I can't predict.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Oh My!
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)Interesting.
liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)Now are we?
LOL Lib
(1,462 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)"Secret service was called to investigate. When questioned, one whitehouse staffer was quoted as saying, "I nevuh saw a TV fly so far so damn fast!"
MiddleClass
(888 posts)Wondering if he gets even younger mentally when he loses it.
Because right now, I'm sure he has lost it.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)and everyone's suddenly come down with the flu and ran home to hide.
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)Link to tweet
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David MartoskoVerified account @dmartosko
I'll say it: If the special counsel's office is leaking prejudicial information about an investigation, it should be shut down immediately.
6:45 PM - 14 Jun 2017
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(heard it mentioned earlier on Chris Hayes)
jimlup
(7,968 posts)before this Saturday night...
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)I expect he is whooping it up at a b-day party and his family/advisors may be trying to distract him from everything else (Don Jr. is aware of it since he retweeted someone talking about Special Counsel "leaks" .
bresue
(1,007 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,035 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I thought this was coming, very soon, but I didn't want to jinx it!
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)WOOOOOO-HOOOOOO!!! Criminal Investigation! Suck on that you orange mo-fo!
Best thing I've heard since November 6
And the most wonderful part is, it's his own bragging, bullying hubris that's going to bring him down.
C E L - E - B R A T E G O O D T I M E S, C O M E O N !!!!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Maybe I'm wrong, but this sounds like kind of a big deal.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)And I understand that Tweety featured it as well earlier.
MiddleClass
(888 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)Kaleva
(36,312 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)this is the first post. If you go to it and then start scrolling down, he numbers his posts with (1), (2), (3), etc so you can easily read them in order.
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BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)Link to tweet
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Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson 1h1 hour ago
(16) Not to put too fine a point on itthe White House is now a crime scene. Mueller is focusing on crimes that occurred in the White House.
12 replies 333 retweets 867 likes
Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson
(17) But HERE is the KEY: to investigate Obstruction of Justice isunder these circumstancesto investigate CONSPIRACY to Obstruct Justice.
8:21 PM - 14 Jun 2017
is particularly juicy!
Thanks for the heads up on that!
furtheradu
(1,865 posts)Interesting thread, great details.
wishstar
(5,270 posts)A former Justice Dept official speaking on MSNBC said that Trump staffers will not be able to keep their govt positions if they plead the 5th.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)and had noted in another thread earlier today that "pleading the 5th" was a "bucket" that Heinrich missed as an option regarding Sessions and his refusal to answer questions.
writes3000
(4,734 posts)That means Trump will have to invoke executive privilege for every conversation which will make him look horrendously guilty.
Or maybe they all get fired!
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)Mueller Seeks to Talk to Intelligence Officials, Hinting at Inquiry of Trump
WASHINGTON The special counsel examining Russias meddling in the 2016 election has requested interviews with three high-ranking current or former intelligence officials in the latest indication that he will investigate whether President Trump obstructed justice, a person briefed on the investigation said on Wednesday.
The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, wants to question Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence; Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the head of the National Security Agency; and Richard Ledgett, the former N.S.A. deputy director.
None of the men were involved with Mr. Trumps campaign. But recent news media reports have raised questions about whether Mr. Trump requested their help in trying to get James B. Comey, then the F.B.I. director, to end an investigation into Mr. Trumps former national security adviser. Last week, Mr. Coats and Admiral Rogers declined to answer questions before Congress about the matter. Mr. Muellers office has also asked the N.S.A. for any documents or notes related to the agencys interactions with the White House as part of the Russia investigation, according to an intelligence official.
Continue reading the main story
The Washington Post first reported on Wednesday that Mr. Mueller had requested the interviews with the intelligence officials.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/politics/mueller-trump-special-counsel-investigation.html
furtheradu
(1,865 posts)TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)I kinda think he's doing it to go out for that and not face the death penalty for treason....besides, at this point, there's probably some reason to investigate him for a few dozen impeachable and/or criminal offenses lol
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)like money laundering, etc., which may ensnare his children.
ThingsGottaChange
(1,200 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)blue-wave
(4,356 posts)alfredo
(60,074 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)and Preet has a handle on it.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)I hope they take away his steering wheel before he deliberately drives us off a cliff.
bucolic_frolic
(43,183 posts)because they know if they lose those it's over
so they will try to clamp down on everything - fire Mueller, suppress free speech and rights to
assemble, and voting rights - and call it phony fake news to discredit the truth
I'm thinking this because I doubt they would go aggressive on foreign policy because most of the
world is not with them, and they have no credibility or legitimacy, and don't know what they are
doing. There are no good options there, so they go the domestic route.
Botany
(70,516 posts)"It's my judgment that I was fired because of the Russia investigation," Comey told the Senate intelligence committee in explosive testimony that threatened to undermine Trump's presidency.
http://6abc.com/politics/comey-says-he-was-fired-because-of-russia-investigation/2070552/
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)without any American media present (although the remarks were codified and distributed afterwards)!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)All the deception, the Trump campaign's collective amnesia about meetings with the Russians, from Trump, Kushner, Flynn, Session, Rosenstein, et.al., is a conspiracy to obstruct justice and also part of a larger conspiracy to subvert the U.S. presidential election and cover up.
What a wild and crazy month it has been since Trump fired Comey? This thread attempts to cover the entire story:
Trump's New Impeachable Offenses: Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy, Abuse of Power
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)Seth Abramson said as much in his mega-thread, a couple of tweets from it that I have posted a couple places including here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029205180#post90
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Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson 1h1 hour ago
(16) Not to put too fine a point on itthe White House is now a crime scene. Mueller is focusing on crimes that occurred in the White House.
12 replies 333 retweets 867 likes
Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson
(17) But HERE is the KEY: to investigate Obstruction of Justice isunder these circumstancesto investigate CONSPIRACY to Obstruct Justice.
8:21 PM - 14 Jun 2017
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)of justice, though of great importance in itself, will be small potatoes to what has yet to be uncovered. Namely money laundering, espionage and links to a trail of dead Russian bodies orchestrated by Putin's FSB. It will prove to be a vast and complicated plot of possible mind boggling repercussions to our national security.
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)The TFEE has been undulating for decades under the eyes of several NY AGs and a guy that Drumpf first asked to stay on only to later fire (former U.S. Attorney for SDNY Preet Bharara) is now working for NY AG Eric Schneiderman, who has a motherlode of stuff on mob dealings and money laundering etc (most likely littered with the TFEE, the Russian mob, and their associates).
Grins
(7,218 posts)From the WaPo story:
"Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible FINANCIAL CRIMES among Trump associates, officials said."
Look out Jared! Look out Mr. Manafort. Look out Trump brothers. Look out Mr. Cohen. Look out Trump Organization. Look out Deutsche Bank. Look out Erick Prince. Look out Roger Stone. Look out the entire Republican National Committee, Senator Ted Cruz, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, Senator John McCain, Senator Mitch McConnell - all of whom received Russian money. Look out Dana Rohrabacher.
And Mr. Drumpf; don't bother giving us your tax returns for the past 25-years, we have asked the IRS to do that for you.
Regards,
Bobby
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)and he pissed off a guy (former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara) who he asked to stay on and then fired, and is now working for the NY AG (Eric Schneiderman).
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Preet Bharara
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@PreetBharara
Sheesh, I haven't even had my covfefe yet. https: //twitter.com/justinelliott/status/874606447891554304
8:53 AM - 13 Jun 2017
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Justin Elliott @JustinElliott
NEW: Trump personal atty. Marc Kasowitz boasted that he got Preet Bharara fired https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-personal-lawyer-boasted-that-he-got-preet-bharara-fired from @eisingerj and me
8:36 AM - 13 Jun 2017
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And the current and past NY AGs know all the sordid details.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)for the Russians, tax evasion, etc etc etc.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Link to tweet
(String) Did Trump obstruct justice? YES! Many times w/many people-At least 26 potential counts of obstruction #TrumpObstructed #TrumpRussia
The whole "they're lookin at obstruction cuz they can't prove collusion" is bogus-Countless ongoing #TrumpRussia probes
Did Trump attempt to stop the investigation of a crime? Yes-With Michael Flynn-Case closed.
Book'em Mueller!
This doesn't have to be a complex story. Trump broke the law. He should be charged & legally removed from office. Period. #TrumpObstructed
And yes I believe that there is clear cut evidence to charge him with at least one count. And that's all we would need. #TrumpRussia #Resist
Anywaysthere are at least 26 separate potential counts of obstruction of justice-for 26 diff things Trump did to stop #TrumpRussia probe.
Why would Trump-of all people-go thru all this trouble to appease Russia? Probably for money.🤑 How much for Oval visit? #TrumpRussia #Resist
Why'd Trump & Co lie about the hundreds of millions of sales to Russians & hide all of their business ties & trips to there? #TrumpRussia
Why did everyone hide these meetings-from even the US Gov't? If it wasn't sinister-why hide it? There's no sane explanation. #TrumpRussia
There is no plausible, non sinister-like reason for them to be meeting with that many Putin representatives DURING the campaign #TrumpRussia
So let's simplify it. Did the campaign meet with Russians? Yes. What the f*ck for? Rememberthey knew they were hacking the dnc #TrumpRussia
Collusion: secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy-especially in order to cheat or deceive others-SOUNDS like what they did #TrumpRussia
The Russian Gov't was hacking-Trump & Co knew that-& at least 13 people including Trump met with folks that work for Putin & no one winked?😉
All met w/Russian Gov't: Sessions-Page-Kushner-Cohen-Flynn-Manafort-Don Jr-Prince-Gordon-Tillerson-Eric-Ivanka-Trump himself-W/RUSSIAN GOV'T
The whole "they're lookin at obstruction cuz they can't prove collusion" is bogus-Countless ongoing #TrumpRussia probes #TrumpObstructed
BumRushDaShow
(129,103 posts)Link to tweet
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Ted LieuVerified account @tedlieu
Ted Lieu Retweeted Donald J. Trump
Thank you @realDonaldTrump for confirming the stories from mainstream media are true: You are under investigation for Obstruction of Justice
Ted Lieu added,
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. Nice
9:48 AM - 15 Jun 2017
red dog 1
(27,820 posts)Happy Birthday, you lying, child-raping, POS