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Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:58 PM

Like Malcolm Nance said today, Russia changed our vote tallies on election day.

Each precinct reporting totals have to take various numbers, tally them and report a total.

Malcolm mentioned this today.

Myself, KNOWING there are WAY more of us than them, that Hillary did NOT lose those 4 states, I have been wracking my brain trying to figure out how they did it.

Malcolm has figured it out.

It only takes a person in the right position either inside or outside the system. From then on, simple.

I heard him say this today on Steph's show. Makes perfect sense.

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Reply Like Malcolm Nance said today, Russia changed our vote tallies on election day. (Original post)
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 OP
Girard442 Jun 2017 #1
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #2
meow2u3 Jun 2017 #19
DallasNE Jun 2017 #28
byronius Jun 2017 #37
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #46
cstanleytech Jun 2017 #54
tiptonic Jun 2017 #31
-Steph- Jun 2017 #32
Girard442 Jun 2017 #34
MrPurple Jun 2017 #41
The Wielding Truth Jun 2017 #43
LittleGirl Jun 2017 #39
nikibatts Jun 2017 #59
Lucinda Jun 2017 #3
TheDebbieDee Jun 2017 #4
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #5
ProudLib72 Jun 2017 #12
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #13
ProudLib72 Jun 2017 #14
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #15
watoos Jun 2017 #20
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #23
Alice11111 Jun 2017 #45
Lokilooney Jun 2017 #62
Amaryllis Jun 2017 #21
HipChick Jun 2017 #6
Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #7
Ilsa Jun 2017 #24
Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #35
Amishman Jun 2017 #8
tomp Jun 2017 #55
lostnfound Jun 2017 #57
jmg257 Jun 2017 #9
Cosmocat Jun 2017 #10
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #11
Cosmocat Jun 2017 #17
BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #16
Cosmocat Jun 2017 #18
BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #22
mythology Jun 2017 #25
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #26
Big_K Jun 2017 #38
samnsara Jun 2017 #27
Snackshack Jun 2017 #29
TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #48
bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #30
dchill Jun 2017 #33
FailureToCommunicate Jun 2017 #36
L. Coyote Jun 2017 #40
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #47
TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #49
BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #42
ProudLib72 Jun 2017 #44
BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #53
Cha Jun 2017 #58
padah513 Jun 2017 #60
H2O Man Jun 2017 #50
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #52
pecosbob Jun 2017 #51
brooklynite Jun 2017 #56
turbinetree Jun 2017 #61
BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #63

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:07 PM

1. We need a smoking gun.

Actual modified voting machine code. A history of vote tallies suddenly changing for no legitimate reason. Somebody who can testify to actually dumping absentee ballots into the river. Anything.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:08 PM

2. There is a video out there of one place doing that, exactly that

Cant find it now probably.

It happened, no question, but proving it, shit

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:19 PM

19. Someone would have to leak the source code to know for sure

But that would take risking prison time to do so.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:48 PM

28. Actually, It Would Be The Object Code

That you would need - the code that actually executed. That code would then need to be reverse engineered into source code so it could be read. Zaps sometimes get applied to object code and this is the only way to know for sure what code was being executed. Just as illegal too.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:41 PM

37. Here you go:


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Response to byronius (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 04:31 PM

46. Thanks, yep...stolen

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Response to byronius (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 11:37 PM

54. Problem is while we know its possible that it could have happened thats not a smoking gun

that the vote results themselves were changed in this election and even if they were that wont cause Trump to be removed unless evidence is uncovered to show that he know the votes themselves were going to changed beforehand.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:07 PM

31. We need

We need paper ballots. Pure and simple..

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:08 PM

32. In the key state of Wisconsin, an election observer claims that her and 2 other observers

used clickers to hand count votes at their polling place as votes went into the machine. She said the machine's vote totals were completely different than the actual votes that took place.

&t=39s

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Response to -Steph- (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:19 PM

34. Holy Crap!

Sounds like the supervisor was ordered, "Shut down any requests for hand recounts, full stop."

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:48 PM

41. That supervisor had to be corrupted, or on an insane power trip

With multiple witnesses telling you that the machine was tabulating incorrectly, a noncorrupt official would take that seriously and check it out.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:55 PM

43. That's why we, as a country, are in a such a state of disbelief. Votes must be able to be recounted.

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Response to -Steph- (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:43 PM

39. OMG, this has to be fraud!

Thank you for sharing this video. It needs to go viral.

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Response to -Steph- (Reply #32)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:45 AM

59. So why doesn't some civil lawyer take up her case and sue the state and the election officials?

 

If what she said is true, no matter for whom the votes were cast, citizens were denied their right to vote and their pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. For sure they were denied their right to have their lawfully cast votes to be counted.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:11 PM

3. I would not be surprised. n/t

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:11 PM

4. That's the next logical leap to make in this process!

 

The question is how do we prevent it from happening in the 2018 elections?

Also, how many other republicans benefited from vote flipping in last fall's elections?

Also, in how many other elections have the Russians flipped the vote totals?

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Response to TheDebbieDee (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:23 PM

5. I have said all along that the KGB has been planting spies here for DECADES

There are hundreds maybe even thousands of them.

They could be your school teacher, they could be the guy working on the code for the software used to count votes.

They could be the precinct captain in charge of how votes are tallied.

Not until TRUMP did stealing an election make any sense. They OWN trump.

They stole the election. Plain and simple.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:53 PM

12. That sounds like the super conspiracy theory

Sorry, but I don't buy it. What I do believe is that certain people in charge of vote tabulation machines were paid off to alter the codes. There was a video on DU a month or so ago demonstrating just how easy it was to tamper with the machines and have them report a different result. I don't think it takes the KGB to put pressure on a right winger to do that.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:56 PM

13. Wait, what? You are describing how it could be done, and you dont buy my theory?

You mean you dont think the GOP needs the help of the KGB to steal elections, OK I can agree with that.

Either way, no republican should be in the WH, every single fucking appointment and thing that has happened MUST be reversed.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:03 PM

14. Yeah, I'm saying the rethugs would have done it anyway

without any outside pressure. And that is actually scarier than having KGB spies planted everywhere. You think of how many RWNJs have floated to the surface of the swamp since the election. They are willing to terrorize our nation marching around heavily armed or attacking people on a commuter train. Altering vote tabulation machines would be nothing in comparison.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:08 PM

15. Agreed. What is new is Putin has never had a "friendly" in the race.

So I believe many "operations" went into play when it became clear he could win.

Primaries by Trump were stolen, as well.

Putin really does own him, we have to take that into account when we anticipate and react to what Trump does.

For instance any real patriot is asking her or his self what do we do if the repubs refuse to be patriotic? A real patriot would fight that, but if we do, Putin will cease on it like stink on shit and be all over us.

But back to the topic, he did not win those 4 states, not in a million years.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:26 PM

20. Here's my theory

 

Yes, Republicans can hack the totals, but, if they get the Russians to do it they don't get caught. Russia flips votes to allow Repugs to win and all Repugs have to do is pledge loyalty to Russia.

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Response to watoos (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:27 PM

23. Sounds good.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 04:12 PM

45. From that, the Constitution would imply a recall election, but the time it is proven,it will be moot

The US Constitution doesn't speak of a "recall election," "special counsel," "Citizens United, " or many other things. The courts have interpreted it to imply such things. How much more important is it implied that we expect fair elections, even, "one person, one vote," which means a do over in election stolen by an enemy.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:00 PM

62. I think that's

A favorite theory among Republicans on how Obama stole the election, twice even! Oh yeah and George Soros...I'm not sure what he has to do with it but apparently you need to mention his name even if there is not context.

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Response to TheDebbieDee (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:27 PM

21. And how many other have the repubs flipped the vote totals? SOS Ken Blackwelll in OH

2004, Katherine Harris FL 2000. not to mention Kris Kobach, KS SOS with Interstate Crosscheck, who is heading up Trump's new commission to stop "voter fraud."

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:25 PM

6. K&R

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:31 PM

7. Nance is and has been

 

dropping bread crumbs as hints on this issue for months. Like someone mentioned,someone has to step forward with a paper trail,hunch is it will surface. Most of these Machines run on the worst software known to mankind and that tells you the real story.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:33 PM

24. If money is the motivation,

then maybe money will bring forth the truth, with solid evidence. Either money or threats of imprisonment.

Not looking forward to the GA 6th on Tuesday. There is bound to be a mess of trouble.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:28 PM

35. Chuck Hagel ran ESS Machine Company.

 

There was stories at the time in and around Omaha as to the non security of these machines. We had these Machines in several Elections in Utah. The local City had a ESS Tech at each Polling station. That was for us 7 elections.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:37 PM

8. How? Strong claims require strong evidence

I've expressed myself on this subject many times so I won't repeat myself.

How exactly did they do it?

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Response to Amishman (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 07:31 AM

55. bullshit.

 

there is sufficient evidence of foul play. that should trigger an investigation. then we find out how it was done.

whatever it was you're not repeating...thanks.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:33 AM

57. Inverse question. If your bank was missing $100,000 of your money that you're remember having...

And they said, oh we never produce monthly statements
No receipts, either.
Just trust us.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:37 PM

9. The issue is, there really AREN'T that much more of us - unfortunately.

Never heard or read, anywhere, otherwise.

ETA:

The latter result is more in line with Gallup polling in 2010 that found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats (tying a 22-year low), 29% as Republicans, and 38% as independents. Nevertheless, more American independents leaned to the Republican Party when compared to the Democratic Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states

In fact, this is just NY: thank God for NYC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York,_2016#/media/File:New_York_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:48 PM

10. Highly unlikely

that one person could do this.

Pa is one of the states in question. Each county is free to use whatever machines they choose within the parameters of what is allowed. Each county tallies the votes from the precincts in the county, then forwards that tally to the state.

No possible way one single person could have manipulated the vote total, and there are some systems that are electronic based.

I live here, and IMO the final result is not hard to believe. There were a LOT of Trump signs in various sections of the state, and almost no Hillary signs at all. This is not what happened with BHO, he had a lot more signs out than Hillary did.

Trump had a VERY real appeal, brought out a lot of people who don't vote. A quarter century of conservative bullshit had made Hillary a very brittle public figure (not her personally, how people view her) and Comey's bullshit letter five days before the election was a gut shot that really suppressed her turnout here, IMO.

The results in our precinct are reflective of what I felt - we had a record turnout, more than we had ever had, and it was a very strong Trump, which made sense. We always are vote more for the R, but the margin for Trump was greater, which matched how it felt at the time.

I don't know other states well enough to know, but my gut and head square what happened here.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:50 PM

11. Who said one person, I said in each situation ONE person could make a difference and OF COURSE

they could.

They would need many people in various places.

Our unwillingness to even consider these things will be our demise.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:15 PM

17. No you didn't

"It only takes a person in the right position either inside or outside the system. From then on, simple. "

Nothing about "each situation" and nothing contextually toward the end.

There would have to be a LOT of people in and out of it to pull it off.

Not sure who "our" is but I think my response indicates that I clearly have considered it. I also actually work in a poll, and the totals reported for our poll are the same as our count. It is just ours, so who knows, but again, the actual results matched what was going on at the ground.

BHO had a LOT more energy and enthusiasm - I walked into our local dem office the weekend before and there were two people sitting talking, the tone was that it was in the bag. I asked and they said a few people were out, but BHO's election, it was buzzing ...

Look - the russians clearly impacted things somehow, and I have no doubt people have or have tried to gin the electronic machines.

But, sorry, this country is stupid as shit, and THAT is why we have 45 - I said he was likely to in the R nomination and that this country absolutely was stupid enough to make him POTUS when he came down the escalator.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:14 PM

16. My main issue here in PA is with Erie County

that always voted with all the other solid blue counties over the years but flipped this year. That one stood out.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:18 PM

18. Yeah

IDK what they have for voting systems there, but that was an area that Trump had good appeal, and again, the Comey hit job the last week really put a hit on Hillary.

Not out of the realm for me, but ...

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:27 PM

22. I had looked it up

about a month after the election and they had touch screens but not Diebold or some of the other "notorious" systems.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:34 PM

25. I have the exact same amount of evidence that aliens did it

 

Malcolm Nance is from all appearances a fucking moron if he's actually putting forth this theory.

I'm sorry but your claim that you "know" that Clinton couldn't have lost is just as valid as people who claim the bible is the literal truth and the world is 6000 years old.

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Response to mythology (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:36 PM

26. Anyone who calls Malcolm Nance a moron will never get a response from me, again.

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Response to mythology (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:42 PM

38. Nance did not say it WAS done...

He said that it wasn't necessary to hack individual machines, or even polling place totals. There is a point where all the individual votes in the individual locations are tallied up. You only have to hack/control/modify that tally. Again, he is not saying that it was done but that this WOULD be the logical, easiest way TO do it.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:36 PM

27. i have always thought this...the numbers predicted were just reversed!

....that cant be that hard to do. Just like changing a grade.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:53 PM

29. Ten years ago...

Or so there was a documentary on HBO called "Hacking Democracy" it showed just how easy it was to accomplish this with electronic voting machines and that was a decade ago.... It only took a few minutes (back then) to completely flip vote totals in the machine. If I remember correctly I believe the machines were stand alone and not connected to the internet so a person had to physically go to the machine. If they are now connected to internet that would no longer be necessary... the machines could easily be hacked remotely. I recommend this documentary to anyone who has not seen it and wants a better understanding of just how easily compromised our democracy can be.

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Response to Snackshack (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 04:48 PM

48. yep; anyone who thinks it "can't be done" is either not very informed or not very imaginative. we ha

 

have has 2 repugs "win" the POTUS while losing the popular vote in the last 16 years, and it only happened like once in the last 100 years before that. the smoking gun may not yet be found, but anybody who thinks hacking the vote totals is impossible has got their head in the sand.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:01 PM

30. Chokepoints

the critical place where the difference is made

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:17 PM

33. K&R.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:43 PM

40. Russians don't need to change the votes, Republicans have been doing that for years now.

How do you think they took over the country when they are such a minority? But, it seems to take a Russian scare to get people to admit the reality this is a simple thing to do.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 04:31 PM

47. yep

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 04:49 PM

49. it's not either/or; it could very well be both. nt

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:53 PM

42. I gave money to Jill Stein after the election even though I hate her so that...

the votes in those 4 (I thought it was 3) swing states would be scrutinized. How does Nance (who I respect) know this? I have voted in every single election since I was 18. That includes local, state and federal. Even my dogs came with me over the years and the poll workers gave them I VOTED stickers. What's to keep real citizens from ever voting again if they are in doubt that their vote won't count? The Donald and GOP traitors don't give a shit obviously. How can real, patriotic Americans ever trust their votes in any election in the future if this is allowed to continue? Too many people already don't vote, what do we do now?!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #42)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 04:05 PM

44. Sorry you threw away your money

Hey, I felt like donating at the time, too. The theory I have now (and am sticking to) is that Stein was in on it. They altered the tabulation machines. Running the ballots through again without having replaced the machines or fixed the code would not have produced different results. However, Stein's recount created the appearance of legitimacy. What better way to cover the alterations to the machines than create fanfare that demonstrates how legitimate the votes are? If you recall, after the recounts there was a long lull in the hacking claims.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 05:01 PM

53. I wondered about that. Since then I saw her sitting with Putin and Flynn! Go figure.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #53)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:40 AM

58. Yeah, stein wasn't at putin's table by

accident.

I'm sure she has some bullshite story, though.



We're calling it "The Barren Waste" party now

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Response to Cha (Reply #58)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:14 AM

60. Yeah

I wonder if anybody ever asked her about her ties to Russia. I'd like to know what she was doing there.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 04:51 PM

50. Interesting.

I place great value on Mr. Nance's opinion. Can you link to where he said the vote tallies were changed? This would be distinct from his previously stated opinion.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #50)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 05:01 PM

52. He was stating opinion on Steph's show. Was it based in knowledge of specifics?

I assume it was opinion, maybe he does have specifics.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 04:52 PM

51. I'm calling for a 2018 World Cup boycott

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 07:47 AM

56. Summer's here, so I suppose reruns are called for...

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 12:45 PM

61. This is why we need a paper and pen ballot system, I am really tired of democracy

being sold to some for profit entity with a machine and its software that can be hacked, that is BS

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #61)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:11 PM

63. That's what Chris Mathews said last night...we need paper as proof (always).

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