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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKushners meeting w/ Mahmoud Abbas went badly, Trump is reportedly considering pulling out of talks
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/jared-kushners-meeting-with-mahmoud-abbas-went-so-badly-that-trump-is-reportedly-considering-pulling-out-of-talks/
London-based Arabic daily Al-Hayat reported Saturday that the meeting between Kushner and Abbas had been tense. Abbas was allegedly furious when Kushner relayed a set of demands from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to a translation of the report by the Jerusalem Post.
Israeli daily Haaretz reported that Palestinian officials were greatly disappointed following their Wednesday meeting with Kushner and Jonathan Greenblatt , Trumps Middle East envoy.
"They sounded like Netanyahu's advisers and not like fair arbiters," a senior Palestinian official told the publication. "They started presenting Netanyahu's issues and then we asked to hear from them clear stances regarding the core issues of the conflict."
According to the report, Kushner and Greenblatt criticized Abbas for failing to condemn a terror attack in Jerusalem last week that left one dead, and for refusing to meet Trumps appointee as U.S. ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, over his support for the settlement program.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/jared-kushners-meeting-with-mahmoud-abbas-went-so-badly-that-trump-is-reportedly-considering-pulling-out-of-talks/
Laf.La.Dem.
(2,944 posts)William Seger
(10,779 posts)... "Peace in the Middle East" was usually the one that got the biggest laugh.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Metro135
(359 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Jared just doesn't accessorize well. He really needs a stylist.
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)dalton99a
(81,543 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Did anyone ever really think this dipshit would create peace in the Middle East?
I can't believe the level of absolute stupidity of this administration. It's mind boggling.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I believe their incompetence coupled with their hubris is all that's saving us right now. Imagine what damage a smart, experienced and charismatic GOPeer could have done given complete GOPee control of our government. Shudder.
Imagine Ted Cruz. Ugh. We have to turn the tide in 2018 and beyond.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)Go study Hillary Clinton's service as Secretary of State. That would serve you much better than nepotism, I'm sure.
3catwoman3
(24,021 posts)I suppose we should not be surprised. POSUS Trump does not think he needs any expertise relevant to his current job, so why wouls he think anyoone else needed any.
POSUS, by the way, is my latest designation for Trump - putting POS together wih POTUS. Piece of $h!t of the United States.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)the last 70 years - and they were both male. Like Clinton, both had long careers of exemplary public service before being that position. It diminishes Clinton to suggest that she was better just because she was a woman. Clinton was good, not because she was a woman, but because she had some foreign policy experience and was very intelligent.
As Tom Friedman (NYT) said of Kushner's credentials on Israel/Palestine in a Davos interview with John Kerry in January, "He went to (Jewish) summer camp".
Netanyahu has welcomed the Trump team - Kushner, a slum lord married to Ivanka, whose family funded settlements that Israel itself deemed illegal, David Friedman - a Trump lawyer who is on record supporting the settlements, and Greenblatt, Trump's bankruptcy lawyer. Everyone on that team is a right wing Jew. In the past, people have questioned even Carter, Mitchell and Kerry as being biased toward Israel, even as all three were trashed by right wing Jews -- and we KNOW the House and Senate rarely disagree with AIPAC. This team is actually to the right of Netanyahu.
It is very hard to see how this could lead to any grand deal.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)None was intended. Only a contrast was intended, and the reference was to a qualified adult.
Now, if I had used "send a boy to do a man's job," then that could have been considered a sexist statement, since we were well served by a woman as SoS.
My post title was simply a play on words.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)The fact is you wanted the contrast to be Clinton, who did do a good job as Secretary of State.
I know it was a play on words, but it reflects not just on Kushner, who is completely unqualified but on every male who had that job - including people like George Marshall and John Kerry.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)I really do not think gender matters. It depends on many other characteristics and experiences. Would you like to make the case that Albright, C. Rice and HRC were, on average, significantly better than the men who held that position? I would argue that all were competent, but none likely to be picked - say 50 years from now when the vitrial and politics are gone - as among the 2 or 3 very best Secretaries of State. I would say all are far better than Tillerson.
lapucelle
(18,288 posts)MineralMan
(146,320 posts)I'm not Hillary Clinton. I'm just some poor schlub posting on DU. So, I make an attempt to be diplomatic, while saying basically the same thing.
P.S. - I speak French, and like your screen name quite a good deal. You're a hero in word play!
lapucelle
(18,288 posts)but I have a hard time emulating it.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)So, the inspiration for your screen name:
Joan of Arc?
A priceless Stradivarius violin?
Or the simplest translation?
A computer game?
lapucelle
(18,288 posts)never underestimate the power of a single girl.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)I would never, ever do that. I know better, through experience.
LakeArenal
(28,829 posts)Sigh....
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)This contrasted to HRC's work as SOS.
whathehell
(29,069 posts)Get serious.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)MineralMan
(146,320 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,746 posts)Not to mention, a "negotiator" who has no clue what he's doing???
FakeNoose
(32,680 posts)The Arabs are quite aware that he's Jewish, and he's been shown in photos wearing the yarmulke many times.
So the Arabs probably assume that Kushner is taking sides with Israel, even if that isn't true.
When Hillary or John Kerry acted as advisors there were no assumptions of favoritism to either side.
Kushner shouldn't even be doing this anyway - what's up with our Secretary of State?
Why isn't he doing his job? Maybe he's off to Russia again to see about a new oil deal.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The path to peace and prosperity for all involved ending racial or religion based hatred, so the Palestinians accepting Kushner's dedication to his religion is an important first step. But when Kushner and the other American with him come in parroting Netenyahu's demands, that only enrages the Palestinians and cause them to see the US as a one sided adversary.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Note by illegal settlements, I am meaning settlements that Israel, itself, called illegal - not the international consensus that all settlements are illegal.
As to not being Secretary of State, many Presidents have used special envoys - including Obama in the first term, using George Mitchell, later joined by Dennis Ross. In today's world even the most energetic Secretary of State can not lead on every single needed negotiation.
The problem is that Tillerson seems to not be publicly engaged in most things and has decimated the nonpartisan foreign policy establishment in the State Department and seems to speak only to a very close circle of people he brought in - even not speaking to people at lower levels in the White House.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Priorities, ya know.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,781 posts)That clueless, entitled numpty is almost guaranteed to make an already bad situation much worse. Someday one of the people that dumbass Jared is supposed to be negotiating with and is making a dog's breakfast of it all, will call the State Department and (assuming anyone is even there to answer the phone) ask them to please send people who know what they're doing.
TheBlackAdder
(28,210 posts)brush
(53,801 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)But yes.
TheBlackAdder
(28,210 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I got corrected for calling Shit Gibbon merely an idiot.
malaise
(269,103 posts)Ah well
Get thee to the greatest page
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)except lying
NRaleighLiberal
(60,016 posts)safeinOhio
(32,706 posts)and paid twice what it was worth for a building with a 666 address. What would you expect?
LenaBaby61
(6,976 posts)and paid twice what it was worth for a building with a 666 address. What would you expect?"
I think my 5 year old great-grandniece would have had more sense than to make a crazy deal like the one Crooked Kushner made on that 666 building buy. The apple didn't fall too far from the tree: Charles Kushner.
At Kushners Flagship Building, Mounting Debt and a Foundered Deal.
By CHARLES V. BAGLIAPRIL 3, 2017
The Kushner Companies flagship property, 666 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. After years of financial issues, the value of the office space is worth less than the mortgage, according to an analyst. Credit Karsten Moran for The New York Times.
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The Fifth Avenue skyscraper was supposed to be the Kushner Companies flagship in the heart of Manhattan a record-setting $1.8 billion souvenir proclaiming that the New Jersey developers Charles Kushner and his son Jared were playing in the big leagues.
And while it has been a visible symbol of their status, it has also been a financial headache almost from the start. On Wednesday, the Kushners announced that talks had broken off with a Chinese financial conglomerate for a deal worth billions to redevelop the 41-story tower, at 666 Fifth Avenue, into a flashy 80-story ultraluxury skyscraper comprising a chic retail mall, a hotel and high-priced condominiums.
The official announcement said the company remained in active, advanced negotiations with a number of investors, whom it declined to name.
There is no question that the Kushner Companies Jared has moved to Washington to serve as an adviser to his father-in-law, President Trump needs to reach a deal soon, either to bring in a fresh infusion of cash or a well-heeled partner willing to foot the bill, if it wants to hold on to the building. Whomever it brings on as an investor would also have to buy out Vornado Realty Trust, the familys partner in the tower.
More than a quarter of the office space in the building sits vacant. According to an analysis by Trepp L.L.C., a data and analytics firm that tracks bank lending, 666 Fifth Avenue has not generated enough money to pay its debts for several years, forcing the owners to cover the shortfall at least $10 million in 2015. And that gap is growing. The interest-only $1.2 billion mortgage comes due in less than two years.
This building has had financial issues for years now, said Joe McBride, a senior associate at Trepp. How much longer can they sustain it? Occupancy is at 70 percent, more leases are expiring, and theyre going into their own pocket to pay the debt.
A deal with the Chinese company, the Anbang Insurance Group, which has ties to the highest echelons of the Chinese Communist Party, would have bound together two politically connected companies. It had become the subject of enormous media attention and had drawn scrutiny from Democratic lawmakers in Washington.
The speculation surrounding the deal became a distraction that led both companies to abandon the negotiations, according to a spokesman for Kushner Companies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/nyregion/kushner-companies-666-fifth-avenue.html?_r=0
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)dae
(3,396 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)And all he does is basically present a list of demands from Israel, and this is surprising to folks that Palestinian leaders would be upset??? These nutters aren't trying to broker peace, they think being an arbitrator is like closing a business deal. Who would have thought that would blow up in their face? I would say "unbelievable" but sadly this shit is status quo with this WH.
lark
(23,134 posts)Yeah, let's send his jewish son in law with no government experience or diplomatic training at all and have him push Little Murderer's wish list American demands, what a maroon! This is just the cover for blowing up peace efforts and shows how totally unserious drumpf is about it. Yep, being a total asshole and siding 100% with one of the parties is not the way to mediate anything but a huge blow up, which I believe was drumpf's true goal.
CanonRay
(14,111 posts)I'm shocked!
Vinca
(50,299 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)No doubt they will have it all wrapped up by then.
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)Both words mean "I get what I want and f*ck you if you don't like it."
pandr32
(11,595 posts)Since when is it the job of a U.S. representative beginning important negotiations in the Middle East to act as a representative of Netanyahu? Shouldn't we at least try to appear receptive and open minded at the start? Might have learned something!
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Of each side to the other. Here though, he appeared to just repeat Netanyahu's positions and may have NOT distinguished them from a US position as Trump does not have one. It also seems he did not similarly get Abbas' position to pass to Netanyahu.
It sounds like he did more harm than good.
Freethinker65
(10,028 posts)Gothmog
(145,416 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)because he's an idiot.
Meanwhile add at least two more countries who are laughing at Trump.
keithbvadu2
(36,852 posts)kentuck
(111,106 posts)I thought he was going to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem??
spanone
(135,855 posts)bluedigger
(17,087 posts)Where's Dennis Rodman when you need him?
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Going to become one of those business school theories like the Laffer curve--something that is ridiculous on its surface and proven completely useless in practice, but will now and forever be treated as the absolute BEST way to do things by the Republican party?
Because I'm thinking it is.
tritsofme
(17,387 posts)Too bad we all suffer their consequences.