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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:19 AM Jun 2017

Kushners meeting w/ Mahmoud Abbas went badly, Trump is reportedly considering pulling out of talks



http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/jared-kushners-meeting-with-mahmoud-abbas-went-so-badly-that-trump-is-reportedly-considering-pulling-out-of-talks/

London-based Arabic daily Al-Hayat reported Saturday that the meeting between Kushner and Abbas had been “tense.” Abbas was allegedly furious when Kushner relayed a set of demands from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to a translation of the report by the Jerusalem Post.

Israeli daily Haaretz reported that Palestinian officials were “greatly disappointed” following their Wednesday meeting with Kushner and Jonathan Greenblatt , Trump’s Middle East envoy.

"They sounded like Netanyahu's advisers and not like fair arbiters," a senior Palestinian official told the publication. "They started presenting Netanyahu's issues and then we asked to hear from them clear stances regarding the core issues of the conflict."

According to the report, Kushner and Greenblatt criticized Abbas for failing to condemn a terror attack in Jerusalem last week that left one dead, and for refusing to meet Trump’s appointee as U.S. ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, over his support for the settlement program.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/jared-kushners-meeting-with-mahmoud-abbas-went-so-badly-that-trump-is-reportedly-considering-pulling-out-of-talks/
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Kushners meeting w/ Mahmoud Abbas went badly, Trump is reportedly considering pulling out of talks (Original Post) Miles Archer Jun 2017 OP
Are we surprised? Laf.La.Dem. Jun 2017 #1
When the late night comedians reeled off the list of Jared's "duties" ... William Seger Jun 2017 #21
Naivete sharedvalues Jun 2017 #29
Looks like Nordstrom Rack Metro135 Jun 2017 #32
Ha ha sharedvalues Jun 2017 #58
More like Operation Desert T.J. Maxx. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #39
Not me. It is the excuse he is looking for to pull out and do nothing. nikibatts Jun 2017 #69
The Great Negotiator and his great negotiators at work dalton99a Jun 2017 #2
Who knew? smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #3
I say thanks for that stuidity everday, now. tazkcmo Jun 2017 #33
+1 sharedvalues Jun 2017 #68
To Trump: Don't Send a Boy to Do a Woman's Job! MineralMan Jun 2017 #4
Exactly right, MineralMan. 3catwoman3 Jun 2017 #6
Drop the sexism - I think George Marshall and John Kerry were the 2 best Secretary of States in karynnj Jun 2017 #11
Sexism? Really? MineralMan Jun 2017 #12
How about "send a child to do an adult's job"? karynnj Jun 2017 #15
Sorry. I can't agree. MineralMan Jun 2017 #16
What does it mean to suggest that being Secretary of State is a woman's job? karynnj Jun 2017 #25
My go to response to ad hoc copy editors. lapucelle Jun 2017 #59
That's a little too abrupt for me. MineralMan Jun 2017 #60
I always admire your even tone, lapucelle Jun 2017 #62
Yeah, well, sometimes it slips, though. MineralMan Jun 2017 #63
Jehanne is one of my personal heroes... lapucelle Jun 2017 #65
Indeed! MineralMan Jun 2017 #66
Sure wish I could see the list for Clinton's cabinet... LakeArenal Jun 2017 #23
Yes, me too. MineralMan Jun 2017 #31
Secretaries of State. And I believe the reference was to the last choice of PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #13
Given nepotism and the reference to youth, it was to Kushner being sent as the ME envoy karynnj Jun 2017 #17
Yeah, since we all know how underrepresented white men are.. whathehell Jun 2017 #36
Oh, I love this, Mineral Man! lunamagica Jun 2017 #51
Thanks! MineralMan Jun 2017 #52
Maybe Abbas considered it an insult that herr drumpf sent his son-in-law? greatauntoftriplets Jun 2017 #5
There's another issue with Kushner FakeNoose Jun 2017 #8
Actually, Kushner's Jewish origin could be a benefit if he knew what he was doing. Blue_true Jun 2017 #18
Not just an orthodox Jew, but one whose family made large donations to illegal settlements karynnj Jun 2017 #19
Can you say Rosneft? tazkcmo Jun 2017 #34
Is anyone surprised? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #7
That should be easy to do. Most of his other pulling out, only involves and inch and a half. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #9
Ohhh...naughty. brush Jun 2017 #14
Too generous. tazkcmo Jun 2017 #35
Sorry. I don't know what came over me. For a brief second, I thought I was being conservative :-D TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #45
It happens. tazkcmo Jun 2017 #47
Duh! malaise Jun 2017 #10
the KGOP sucks at just about everything Achilleaze Jun 2017 #20
So much winning. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #22
He is an expert on real estate and religion.... safeinOhio Jun 2017 #24
"He is an expert on real estate and religion ... LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #56
Snowflake tRump's Republican ego was bruised so he's taking his marbles home. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #26
+1 dae Jun 2017 #55
Which I suspect was Trump's real purpose. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #27
So President Dipshit sends his Know-nothing son in law to broker ME Peace Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #28
drumpf for supreme idiot of the world. lark Jun 2017 #30
Gee, and I thought Kushy would have this solved in a couple hours at most! CanonRay Jun 2017 #37
But this was supposed to be so eeeeeeeeeeeasy! Vinca Jun 2017 #38
Patience! That is the plan for next weekend. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #40
To Republicans, "negotiate" is like "compromise." neeksgeek Jun 2017 #41
Kushner "relayed" a set of Netanyahu's demands pandr32 Jun 2017 #42
Actually, some negotiators do act as a conduit for passing positions karynnj Jun 2017 #50
Agreed pandr32 Jun 2017 #61
Failure. So much failing. Tired of failing. Sad. Pathetic. Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #43
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Jun 2017 #44
Maybe Trump NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #53
"relayed a set of demands" - Not a negotiator but a messenger boy. keithbvadu2 Jun 2017 #46
Giving up on the first try, are we? kentuck Jun 2017 #48
this is like sending a first grader to quarterback the high school football team spanone Jun 2017 #49
This is clearly a job for a more experienced negotiator. bluedigger Jun 2017 #54
So is this whole "hiring the incompetent" thing... Dave Starsky Jun 2017 #57
Now, there are two people who couldn't deserve each other more! tritsofme Jun 2017 #64
But if Jared can't do it no one can underpants Jun 2017 #67

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
21. When the late night comedians reeled off the list of Jared's "duties" ...
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:42 AM
Jun 2017

... "Peace in the Middle East" was usually the one that got the biggest laugh.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
39. More like Operation Desert T.J. Maxx.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jun 2017

Jared just doesn't accessorize well. He really needs a stylist.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. Who knew?
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:29 AM
Jun 2017

Did anyone ever really think this dipshit would create peace in the Middle East?

I can't believe the level of absolute stupidity of this administration. It's mind boggling.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
33. I say thanks for that stuidity everday, now.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:24 PM
Jun 2017

I believe their incompetence coupled with their hubris is all that's saving us right now. Imagine what damage a smart, experienced and charismatic GOPeer could have done given complete GOPee control of our government. Shudder.

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
4. To Trump: Don't Send a Boy to Do a Woman's Job!
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:34 AM
Jun 2017

Go study Hillary Clinton's service as Secretary of State. That would serve you much better than nepotism, I'm sure.

3catwoman3

(24,021 posts)
6. Exactly right, MineralMan.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:38 AM
Jun 2017

I suppose we should not be surprised. POSUS Trump does not think he needs any expertise relevant to his current job, so why wouls he think anyoone else needed any.

POSUS, by the way, is my latest designation for Trump - putting POS together wih POTUS. Piece of $h!t of the United States.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
11. Drop the sexism - I think George Marshall and John Kerry were the 2 best Secretary of States in
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:16 AM
Jun 2017

the last 70 years - and they were both male. Like Clinton, both had long careers of exemplary public service before being that position. It diminishes Clinton to suggest that she was better just because she was a woman. Clinton was good, not because she was a woman, but because she had some foreign policy experience and was very intelligent.

As Tom Friedman (NYT) said of Kushner's credentials on Israel/Palestine in a Davos interview with John Kerry in January, "He went to (Jewish) summer camp".

Netanyahu has welcomed the Trump team - Kushner, a slum lord married to Ivanka, whose family funded settlements that Israel itself deemed illegal, David Friedman - a Trump lawyer who is on record supporting the settlements, and Greenblatt, Trump's bankruptcy lawyer. Everyone on that team is a right wing Jew. In the past, people have questioned even Carter, Mitchell and Kerry as being biased toward Israel, even as all three were trashed by right wing Jews -- and we KNOW the House and Senate rarely disagree with AIPAC. This team is actually to the right of Netanyahu.

It is very hard to see how this could lead to any grand deal.

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
12. Sexism? Really?
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jun 2017

None was intended. Only a contrast was intended, and the reference was to a qualified adult.

Now, if I had used "send a boy to do a man's job," then that could have been considered a sexist statement, since we were well served by a woman as SoS.

My post title was simply a play on words.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
15. How about "send a child to do an adult's job"?
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:27 AM
Jun 2017

The fact is you wanted the contrast to be Clinton, who did do a good job as Secretary of State.

I know it was a play on words, but it reflects not just on Kushner, who is completely unqualified but on every male who had that job - including people like George Marshall and John Kerry.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
25. What does it mean to suggest that being Secretary of State is a woman's job?
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:57 AM
Jun 2017

I really do not think gender matters. It depends on many other characteristics and experiences. Would you like to make the case that Albright, C. Rice and HRC were, on average, significantly better than the men who held that position? I would argue that all were competent, but none likely to be picked - say 50 years from now when the vitrial and politics are gone - as among the 2 or 3 very best Secretaries of State. I would say all are far better than Tillerson.


MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
60. That's a little too abrupt for me.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 03:14 PM
Jun 2017

I'm not Hillary Clinton. I'm just some poor schlub posting on DU. So, I make an attempt to be diplomatic, while saying basically the same thing.

P.S. - I speak French, and like your screen name quite a good deal. You're a hero in word play!

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
63. Yeah, well, sometimes it slips, though.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 03:38 PM
Jun 2017

So, the inspiration for your screen name:

Joan of Arc?
A priceless Stradivarius violin?
Or the simplest translation?
A computer game?


 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
13. Secretaries of State. And I believe the reference was to the last choice of PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:25 AM
Jun 2017

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
17. Given nepotism and the reference to youth, it was to Kushner being sent as the ME envoy
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:29 AM
Jun 2017

This contrasted to HRC's work as SOS.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,746 posts)
5. Maybe Abbas considered it an insult that herr drumpf sent his son-in-law?
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:35 AM
Jun 2017

Not to mention, a "negotiator" who has no clue what he's doing???

FakeNoose

(32,680 posts)
8. There's another issue with Kushner
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:49 AM
Jun 2017

The Arabs are quite aware that he's Jewish, and he's been shown in photos wearing the yarmulke many times.
So the Arabs probably assume that Kushner is taking sides with Israel, even if that isn't true.

When Hillary or John Kerry acted as advisors there were no assumptions of favoritism to either side.

Kushner shouldn't even be doing this anyway - what's up with our Secretary of State?
Why isn't he doing his job? Maybe he's off to Russia again to see about a new oil deal.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. Actually, Kushner's Jewish origin could be a benefit if he knew what he was doing.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:31 AM
Jun 2017

The path to peace and prosperity for all involved ending racial or religion based hatred, so the Palestinians accepting Kushner's dedication to his religion is an important first step. But when Kushner and the other American with him come in parroting Netenyahu's demands, that only enrages the Palestinians and cause them to see the US as a one sided adversary.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
19. Not just an orthodox Jew, but one whose family made large donations to illegal settlements
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:37 AM
Jun 2017

Note by illegal settlements, I am meaning settlements that Israel, itself, called illegal - not the international consensus that all settlements are illegal.

As to not being Secretary of State, many Presidents have used special envoys - including Obama in the first term, using George Mitchell, later joined by Dennis Ross. In today's world even the most energetic Secretary of State can not lead on every single needed negotiation.

The problem is that Tillerson seems to not be publicly engaged in most things and has decimated the nonpartisan foreign policy establishment in the State Department and seems to speak only to a very close circle of people he brought in - even not speaking to people at lower levels in the White House.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,781 posts)
7. Is anyone surprised?
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:43 AM
Jun 2017

That clueless, entitled numpty is almost guaranteed to make an already bad situation much worse. Someday one of the people that dumbass Jared is supposed to be negotiating with and is making a dog's breakfast of it all, will call the State Department and (assuming anyone is even there to answer the phone) ask them to please send people who know what they're doing.

safeinOhio

(32,706 posts)
24. He is an expert on real estate and religion....
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:53 AM
Jun 2017

and paid twice what it was worth for a building with a 666 address. What would you expect?

LenaBaby61

(6,976 posts)
56. "He is an expert on real estate and religion ...
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 02:47 PM
Jun 2017

and paid twice what it was worth for a building with a 666 address. What would you expect?"

I think my 5 year old great-grandniece would have had more sense than to make a crazy deal like the one Crooked Kushner made on that 666 building buy. The apple didn't fall too far from the tree: Charles Kushner.

At Kushners’ Flagship Building, Mounting Debt and a Foundered Deal.
By CHARLES V. BAGLIAPRIL 3, 2017


The Kushner Companies’ flagship property, 666 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. After years of financial issues, the value of the office space is worth less than the mortgage, according to an analyst. Credit Karsten Moran for The New York Times.
****************************************************

The Fifth Avenue skyscraper was supposed to be the Kushner Companies’ flagship in the heart of Manhattan — a record-setting $1.8 billion souvenir proclaiming that the New Jersey developers Charles Kushner and his son Jared were playing in the big leagues.

And while it has been a visible symbol of their status, it has also been a financial headache almost from the start. On Wednesday, the Kushners announced that talks had broken off with a Chinese financial conglomerate for a deal worth billions to redevelop the 41-story tower, at 666 Fifth Avenue, into a flashy 80-story ultraluxury skyscraper comprising a chic retail mall, a hotel and high-priced condominiums.

The official announcement said the company remained “in active, advanced negotiations” with a number of investors, whom it declined to name.

There is no question that the Kushner Companies — Jared has moved to Washington to serve as an adviser to his father-in-law, President Trump — needs to reach a deal soon, either to bring in a fresh infusion of cash or a well-heeled partner willing to foot the bill, if it wants to hold on to the building. Whomever it brings on as an investor would also have to buy out Vornado Realty Trust, the family’s partner in the tower.

More than a quarter of the office space in the building sits vacant. According to an analysis by Trepp L.L.C., a data and analytics firm that tracks bank lending, 666 Fifth Avenue has not generated enough money to pay its debts for several years, forcing the owners to cover the shortfall — at least $10 million in 2015. And that gap is growing. The interest-only $1.2 billion mortgage comes due in less than two years.

“This building has had financial issues for years now,” said Joe McBride, a senior associate at Trepp. “How much longer can they sustain it? Occupancy is at 70 percent, more leases are expiring, and they’re going into their own pocket to pay the debt.”

A deal with the Chinese company, the Anbang Insurance Group, which has ties to the highest echelons of the Chinese Communist Party, would have bound together two politically connected companies. It had become the subject of enormous media attention and had drawn scrutiny from Democratic lawmakers in Washington.

The speculation surrounding the deal became a distraction that led both companies to abandon the negotiations, according to a spokesman for Kushner Companies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/nyregion/kushner-companies-666-fifth-avenue.html?_r=0

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
28. So President Dipshit sends his Know-nothing son in law to broker ME Peace
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:11 PM
Jun 2017

And all he does is basically present a list of demands from Israel, and this is surprising to folks that Palestinian leaders would be upset??? These nutters aren't trying to broker peace, they think being an arbitrator is like closing a business deal. Who would have thought that would blow up in their face? I would say "unbelievable" but sadly this shit is status quo with this WH.

lark

(23,134 posts)
30. drumpf for supreme idiot of the world.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:20 PM
Jun 2017

Yeah, let's send his jewish son in law with no government experience or diplomatic training at all and have him push Little Murderer's wish list American demands, what a maroon! This is just the cover for blowing up peace efforts and shows how totally unserious drumpf is about it. Yep, being a total asshole and siding 100% with one of the parties is not the way to mediate anything but a huge blow up, which I believe was drumpf's true goal.

Vinca

(50,299 posts)
38. But this was supposed to be so eeeeeeeeeeeasy!
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:41 PM
Jun 2017
And where's that plan to get rid of ISIS?? Waiting. Still waiting.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
40. Patience! That is the plan for next weekend.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jun 2017

No doubt they will have it all wrapped up by then.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
41. To Republicans, "negotiate" is like "compromise."
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:48 PM
Jun 2017

Both words mean "I get what I want and f*ck you if you don't like it."

pandr32

(11,595 posts)
42. Kushner "relayed" a set of Netanyahu's demands
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:49 PM
Jun 2017

Since when is it the job of a U.S. representative beginning important negotiations in the Middle East to act as a representative of Netanyahu? Shouldn't we at least try to appear receptive and open minded at the start? Might have learned something!

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
50. Actually, some negotiators do act as a conduit for passing positions
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 02:30 PM
Jun 2017

Of each side to the other. Here though, he appeared to just repeat Netanyahu's positions and may have NOT distinguished them from a US position as Trump does not have one. It also seems he did not similarly get Abbas' position to pass to Netanyahu.

It sounds like he did more harm than good.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
53. Maybe Trump
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 02:38 PM
Jun 2017

because he's an idiot.

Meanwhile add at least two more countries who are laughing at Trump.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
48. Giving up on the first try, are we?
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 02:09 PM
Jun 2017

I thought he was going to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem??

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
57. So is this whole "hiring the incompetent" thing...
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 02:49 PM
Jun 2017

Going to become one of those business school theories like the Laffer curve--something that is ridiculous on its surface and proven completely useless in practice, but will now and forever be treated as the absolute BEST way to do things by the Republican party?

Because I'm thinking it is.

tritsofme

(17,387 posts)
64. Now, there are two people who couldn't deserve each other more!
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 03:42 PM
Jun 2017

Too bad we all suffer their consequences.

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