I was wondering why there was so little coverage of the police shooting in New York overnight

[malaise]

Ah well she's black and female so there.

[Ilsa]

1. Huh? You're right. I haven't heard

a peep. I've been off DU most of the day, though, and haven't watched the news since this morning.

[Blue_Adept]

2. It was all over the news this morning

Got lots of national coverage on the morning newstainment shows since it happened not far from them.

[cwydro]

47. I saw it too.

I spend a lot of time off the grid. Not glued to tv or internet, but I heard this news.

[Dulcinea]

54. ABC World News Tonight had the story yesterday. eom

[sarisataka]

3. Are you speaking of news in general

or DU?

[Vinca]

4. So far for July 4 and 5 there are 50+ firearms deaths recorded.

We've become numb to it out of necessity: it's not going to change anytime soon. I know who the victim was in New York, but I haven't heard a peep about the others. Until we have gun control, we're all walking targets.


http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

[EX500rider]

7. "Until we have gun control, we're all walking targets."

I doubt that would make any difference, there is little to no correlation between homicide rates and firearm ownership or control.

[Vinca]

8. It seems we are walking targets.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

[EX500rider]

9. Not really...

....the US is below both the median and avg for homicides worldwide.

[Vinca]

10. I'm not talking about just homicides. I'm talking about people like the idiot who shot his son the

other night because he thought he was an intruder. We've turned into a nation that asks "who's there" after the gun is fired. I'm talking about the idiot at the Gettysburg rally who shot his own private parts because he's apparently too stupid to use the safety on his gun. He could just as easily have shot the person standing next to him. We allow everyone - including the mentally ill - to carry around an item that can bring death in an instant. That makes us a very stupid society.

[EX500rider]

14. Not really..

....first you have to consider the numbers...

Over 300 million Americans....

So we have per year:

Unintentional fall deaths
Number of deaths: 31,959

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,736

Unintentional poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 42,032

plus around 3,500 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm

Those number dwarf any accidental shootings, but since they aren't sensational enough you don't hear about them.

[EX500rider]

39. Yes, lord forbid we talk hard number and facts...lol

[USALiberal]

11. Nice try......Really misleading...Look at countries like us......

Ireland
Canada
France
UK
Iceland
New Zealand
Germany
Italy

Get back to me compared to them!

[EX500rider]

16. Yes, the US and all those countries have a homicide rate of under 5 per 100,000.

The countries with a bad problem have homicide rates of over 25 to 80 per 100,000.
Even peaceful little Costa Rica has over twice the US rate.

The Bahamas? 29
Jamaica? 43
US 4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The fact is, the continent of America does have the highest rate, but not because the US, we drag the rate down.

Americas 16.3
Africa 12.5
World 6.2
Europe 3.0
Oceania 3.0
Asia 2.9

Some cultures are just more violent then others.

If it was just tied to poverty then Indonesia and Palestine and Madagascar wouldn't have lower rates then all those countries you named, but they do.

[USALiberal]

22. Another misleading response from you!

So NOW your new criteria is "Under 5"??? Weird you picked that number just because we are at 4.88!

Shit, Canada, France, UK, Iceland, Ireland, etc all under TWO!!! Many under ONE.

I know you are trying to say the USA is not more violent than countries like us but don't make up criteria to justify it.

So 5 times the murder rate is in the same balllpark according to you??

[EX500rider]

40. Considering the rate goes up to 108 per 100,000...

....yes, everyone under 5 has a very small rate.

You can say "Denmark has a rate double Belgium's!" The difference being between 1 dead per 100,000 and 2. Not really a huge difference.

"I know you are trying to say the USA is not more violent than countries like us.."

I also don't agree that small homogeneous countries in Europe are anything like the US, pop 300 million and a long border with a near failed narco state to the south.
Outside of drug/gang warfare the US rate is about equal to all those countries.
Or does Ireland have a large MS-13 problem? lol

[USALiberal]

43. You are really amusing. Nice try! n/t

[EX500rider]

44. "So 5 times the murder rate is in the same balllpark according to you??"

The EU avg is actually 3.0
The US avg is 4.8

That is no where near 5 times anything.

Yes you can cherry pick one small country for a better rate.

The US can do that also, New Hampshire has a rate 1.1

Maine, bigger then Ireland, is 1.7

[LanternWaste]

15. All countries include war-torn countries, yes? Seems that would weigh the sample considerably.

All countries include war-torn countries, yes? Seems that would weigh the sample considerably. Narratives often need a counter-weight though... almost as much as sacred cows do.

[EX500rider]

18. Actually the top 14 deadliest countries have no war issues at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

El Salvador
Honduras
Venezuela
United States Virgin Islands
Jamaica
Lesotho
Belize
South Africa
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Guatemala
Trinidad and Tobago
Bahamas
Anguilla
Brazil

[Decoy of Fenris]

20. Breakdown of the past 72 hours.

Past 72 hours link gives this information, but it has to be checked by hand. I went through every data point marked with # Killed above 0. Interesting results.

Defensive Gun Use: 19

Homicide: 51

Suicide by Cop/Officer-Involved Shooting: 20

Negligent Discharge: 9

Pistol-whip/blunt trauma: 1

Unknown Cause of Death: 3

Incident of repeated data entry: 9

Deaths recorded but no source: 9


I find it interesting that Chicago, Illinois makes up around 20% of all the homicides of the past 72 hours. Likewise, after an admittedly cursory analysis at the tags and source in each entry, I'd say about half of the homicides in total are intra-gang activity or criminal acts such as robbery or breaking and entering(as opposed to random homicides).

The problem with Gun Violence Archive is the same problem you find with Wikipedia. Anyone can submit anything, and there's very little peer-review. You'll find a "gun death" tag where someone was (for example) hit by a car, and it's tagged as a firearm death even if no shots were fired, simply because one party or another had a gun. Another problem with the site is that, for the reason listed above, you'll find unsourced or repeatedly-sourced statistics.


I'm not making an argument back or forth on either side. I just like a little bit of idle research every now and then.

[Not Ruth]

29. Chicago had either 100 or 1000 shootings this weekend

Not front page, but it passed my eye

[cwydro]

48. Nobody EVER wants to talk about Chicago.

Why is that?

[Blue_Tires]

60. And when you say "nobody", you mean "nobody black", right?

I'm not a Chicagoan but I'll happily talk about the crisis if you want...

[mucifer]

51. 100

[H2O Man]

5. Recommended.

My daughter asked the same question today.

[malaise]

6. Smart daughter

but then her daddy's highly recommended

[FSogol]

12. NPR had a segment on it this morning and MSNBC (Lawrence O'Donnell?) covered it yesterday. n/t

[ksoze]

13. All over National and local news

Very sad

[MineralMan]

17. The CBS Morning News covered it heavily.

So, I don't know.

[maxsolomon]

19. Front page of the NYT

did you want more from them?

[B2G]

21. It's been everywhere.

Not sure where you've been looking.

[phylny]

23. I read about it online that morning, and heard it on radio and television news broadcasts. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

24. "Blue Lives Matter" is only for white cops...

[cwydro]

55. Nope.

It's all over.

Why such a post?

[Blue_Tires]

59. Because I've butted heads with enough Blue Lives Matter folks on twitter

to know they don't give a rat's ass when a nonwhite cop gets killed?

[11 Bravo]

25. Oh, BULLSHIT!

I subscribe to the Washington Post and the NYT. I also watch CNN, MSNBC, and multiple local news broadcasts.
This senseless murder has been widely covered by all of them.

[Amishman]

30. Yeah, it's everywhere I look as well

There are plenty of race driven slights around, but this isn't one of them

[11 Bravo]

31. I don't get it.

[cwydro]

49. Yes, I've been on a tractor in the country for this whole week.

But I heard about it.

[pangaia]

26. Is this the one my sister just told me about?

Her email to me included--- "Black woman, single mom with 3 kids, and pregnant, who called the police because she thought someone was breaking into her home, ended up shot 7 times. They said she had a knife. ...."

[Not Ruth]

28. Nope

Female cop ambushed in squad car

[Not Ruth]

27. Front page news here

[nolabear]

32. I've seen it all over the place too. It's a stupid, mean, terrible thing to do to us all.

What a horror for her and those who love her, and what a problem for those of us who want the police to be accountable for their actions and not in a state of panic and victimhood.

But I don't think her color or gender made them give any less coverage. I DO think we're so overwhelmed with the orange menace's doings that nothing is getting as much as it would have prior.

[BeyondGeography]

33. It's a massive story here in NY

Lots of sadness:

Officer Familia, 48, who was known for a no-nonsense demeanor in her 12 years in the Police Department, grew up in Washington Heights in Manhattan amid the crack cocaine epidemic. She became a police officer in her mid-30s, after ending an earlier try at the Police Academy. She raised a daughter who is now in college and twins, all while caring for her mother in an apartment two miles north of where she was killed.
“She was a warrior, tell you the truth,” John Cuello, a nephew, said. “She was a fighter, she was tough — and that was the job for her.”
She was assigned to the 46th Precinct in the northwest Bronx before an on-duty leg injury resulted in her being sent to the Bronx courts, a sometimes glum place where her sunny disposition and her desire to be active set her apart. She had made 76 arrests over her career, 23 of them in felonies. She had recently been assigned to the R.V.-style truck stationed on East 183rd Street, which was put there as a deterrent to a rash of gang- and crew-related shootings, among them a daytime triple shooting. The police arrested a man in March in connection with that crime. A law enforcement official said two crews on opposite sides of the Grand Concourse had been warring.
For some residents who said the city too often skimps on police resources in the Bronx, the mobile command post offered a measure of assurance...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/nyregion/nypd-bronx-police-shooting.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

[malaise]

37. Yes it is huge in New York

Please note the date of my post.

[BeyondGeography]

38. No worries

The Daily News has stepped up with a fundraising drive for Familia's three kids:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/children-slain-nypd-miosotis-familia-article-1.3303970

A lot of awful shit happens here but this was at another level.

[cwydro]

50. It's everywhere Malaise.

Sorry it wasn't covered in your neck of the woods.

[Lee-Lee]

35. It's all over everywhere except here on DU, and that isn't due to race

It's due to occupation.

[sarisataka]

41. I'll take Correct Answer for $800

" What is a police officer?"

Even in the hardly noticed lbn thread it was allowed that the officer was "probably one of the good ones". The unspoken line being that somehow it would be okay to assassinate one of the bad ones.

Had either the perpetrator or victim's race been different it would get a lot more attention here but it would go unnoticed that this was simply a police officer targeted by a career criminal simply because she was a police officer.

[Lee-Lee]

42. I knew it would go that way, it's why I didn't even bother posting about it

even though to me it's a serious issue.

[grossproffit]

45. I was going to post about it this morning but then I thought why bother.

It would have just sunk like an anchor.

[Lee-Lee]

46. Just like this one has as some as I pointed out

The real reason it's not news on here.

[lapucelle]

52. There was wall-to-wall coverage and it remains front page news

and a top story here in NY. CNN covered it yesterday, and there was also a story in WaPo.

The NYDN has set up a charity with all funds going directly to her children. The New York Yankees honored her at the start of last night's game with a moment of silence and this jumbotron image.

[cwydro]

56. OP has decided to ignore these answers to her post.

Wow.

[Squinch]

53. Yes. Also, we don't really cover shootings anymore. It makes gun enthusiasts feel momentarily

uncomfortable about their hobby, and that is not allowed.

[cwydro]

57. It's being covered.

Turn on your tv.

[cwydro]

58. And who killed her?