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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 10:21 PM Jul 2017

NSA has detected FSB (Cozy Bear) fingerprints in the power company hacks.

U.S. officials say Russian government hackers have penetrated energy and nuclear company business networks

By Ellen Nakashima July 8 at 8:39 PM

Russian government hackers were behind recent cyber-intrusions into the business systems of U.S. nuclear power and other energy companies in what appears to be an effort to assess their networks, according to U.S. government officials.

The U.S. officials said there is no evidence the hackers breached or disrupted the core systems controlling operations at the plants, so the public was not at risk. Rather, they said, the hackers broke into systems dealing with business and administrative tasks, such as personnel.

At the end of June, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security sent a joint alert to the energy sector stating that “advanced, persistent threat actors” — a euphemism for sophisticated foreign hackers — were stealing network log-in and password information to gain a foothold in company networks. The agencies did not name Russia.

The campaign marks the first time Russian government hackers are known to have wormed their way into the networks of American nuclear power companies, several U.S. and industry officials said. And the penetration could be a sign that Russia is seeking to lay the groundwork for more damaging hacks.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-officials-say-russian-government-hackers-have-penetrated-energy-and-nuclear-company-business-networks/2017/07/08/bbfde9a2-638b-11e7-8adc-fea80e32bf47_story.html?utm_term=.7e03bca65787




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NSA has detected FSB (Cozy Bear) fingerprints in the power company hacks. (Original Post) MelissaB Jul 2017 OP
This is bad. yardwork Jul 2017 #1
Trump is glad handing Putin, while GRU hacks away. Snarkoleptic Jul 2017 #2
instead of barking or biting, the guard dog wags its tail eShirl Jul 2017 #11
But Dolt 45 doesn't think there's a problem The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #3
One has to be out of the loop Dem2 Jul 2017 #4
Do we really suck at this stuff that much? GitRDun Jul 2017 #5
We do not. janx Jul 2017 #8
Still, the Republicans refuse to lift a finger Achilleaze Jul 2017 #6
This is why we have to fight for control in 2018. progressoid Jul 2017 #19
What would you do? Igel Jul 2017 #20
I would take action to defend American democracy Achilleaze Jul 2017 #22
Hear we go again, Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #7
And more are coming in JI7 Jul 2017 #9
Notice Tillerson is walking 150 people through Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #10
GOOD. Maybe if they hack and shut off the power supply Ilsa Jul 2017 #12
Good idea. Nothing means "real" to them unless it happens directly to them, otherwise it's fake news ancianita Jul 2017 #14
It's likely that what's called an "attack" is phishing, vulnerability testing. Read this: ancianita Jul 2017 #13
The Russians would only have to disrupt service to only two or three scattered TheDebbieDee Jul 2017 #15
Yes, but what the article's talking about wouldn't do that. Igel Jul 2017 #21
you hit that onethatcares Jul 2017 #23
I wish I had enough confidence in our utilities or defenses to say that they couldn't do that lindysalsagal Jul 2017 #16
There was an explosion and fire at an L.A. Dept. Water and Power facility in southern California. C Moon Jul 2017 #17
As Putin hacks his way into our power grids... PearliePoo2 Jul 2017 #18
Trump is weak and nauseating his ass kissing display with Putin is dangerous. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #24

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
2. Trump is glad handing Putin, while GRU hacks away.
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jul 2017

All that's left is for Putin to Deny and Trump to accept the assertion that Russia was not involved.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
4. One has to be out of the loop
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jul 2017

To not know that 90% of intrusion attempts into one's home or work network are from either China or Russia. The hip thing now is to lock out Russian and Chinese traffic completely.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
5. Do we really suck at this stuff that much?
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 10:46 PM
Jul 2017

I would love to see some reporting on this?

It feels like we are a bunch of helpless children

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
6. Still, the Republicans refuse to lift a finger
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 10:48 PM
Jul 2017

To defend America against these acts of war by Russia. Pathetic.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
20. What would you do?
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:11 AM
Jul 2017

Sanctions? More of them? Getting hard--plus there's the question as to who sanctions hurt.

Sanctions against Iran were merrily junked because of all the jobs it would mean for Americans. Same for Cuban sanctions. Sanctions against Iraq were considered horrible because commoners suffered--and the same case was made for Iran and Cuba. Even if most citizens did support their governments.

Military action? Bad idea.

Hacking attempts against Russia? Such are best with people who don't matter left out of the loop. That would be you and me.

Complain? Well, that feels good, but it's a waste of time. Plus it's not like we didn't know that various actors were trying to probe for weaknesses. Russia, we like to think, started this kind of hybrid war in the Ukraine--when military support would have made a bigger difference than sanctions. But Stuxnet has to be seen as a good predecessor to this, and it wasn't the first such malware.

Problem is that Microsoft may update things, other vendors may plug holes, but somebody always feels the need to reveal every weakness and flaw because they're just so damned important. It takes them a while to find the flaws, and it's likely that not every hostile foreign intelligence agency knows them all. Until they read about the boasts. "Ha, ha! I found a simple trick that'll disable government computers--just use this code!" And we act like it's a horrible thing that somebody uses that weakness. (We don't put signs in front of our houses: "I lost my house key so I can't lock my door until Friday when the locksmith come. So thieves, just stay out!&quot

We could have regulations. But regulations are just orders for somebody to do something. If they don't know to do it, if they can't do it, the regulations are pointless or unethical.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
22. I would take action to defend American democracy
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:41 AM
Jul 2017

and not immediately go submissive and whine that there is nothing to be done, like the republicans.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
12. GOOD. Maybe if they hack and shut off the power supply
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:11 PM
Jul 2017

in a small area, the rest of the deplorables will finally open their eyes as to what's going on between trump and putin.

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
14. Good idea. Nothing means "real" to them unless it happens directly to them, otherwise it's fake news
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:37 PM
Jul 2017

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
13. It's likely that what's called an "attack" is phishing, vulnerability testing. Read this:
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:36 PM
Jul 2017

"An essential read." Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google

"The most approachable and readable book ever written on the cyber world." Admiral James Stavridis, former Supreme Allied Commander, NATO


Oxford University Press


The book will make you smarter and calmer.

We made these systems. However good everyone else is at using them, we are better.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
15. The Russians would only have to disrupt service to only two or three scattered
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:39 PM
Jul 2017

Last edited Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:44 AM - Edit history (1)

medium-sized US cities and widespread civil unrest would break out in a matter of days.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
21. Yes, but what the article's talking about wouldn't do that.
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:14 AM
Jul 2017

It might knock out the email or accounting systems to the power companies servicing two or three medium-sized cities, but the unrest that resulted from not hearing back from customer service or having bills processes could easily be handled by a thousand cops with rubber bullets and stun grenades.

Or a PSA saying that their email and accounting systems are off line. Whichever is more satisfying.


Mostly they're finding that the control systems =/= email systems. Now, are there ways to get malware handcarried between systems? Sure.

And the reason the Russians know about them is trade journals and the US press. That's how I know about them.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
23. you hit that
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:56 AM
Jul 2017

i was in a box store buying building materials three months ago and the cashier stands would not accept credit or debit cards for about an hour.

The anger shown by customers that couldn't buy their 2x4s and ceiling fans and the related items was eye opening.

lindysalsagal

(20,680 posts)
16. I wish I had enough confidence in our utilities or defenses to say that they couldn't do that
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:45 PM
Jul 2017

but I have no such faith. They could take us down.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
17. There was an explosion and fire at an L.A. Dept. Water and Power facility in southern California.
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 12:02 AM
Jul 2017

I can't help but wonder if they are testing things.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-power-explosion-20170708-story.html
More likely overheated in the heat wave, but this kind of thing is always worrisome.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
18. As Putin hacks his way into our power grids...
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 12:24 AM
Jul 2017

BLOTUS eagerly shakes his hand, pats his back and says, "It's an honor to meet you." Stupid fuck..

Demsrule86

(68,561 posts)
24. Trump is weak and nauseating his ass kissing display with Putin is dangerous.
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:03 AM
Jul 2017

Putin is a bad guy...I would like to see the GOP get rid of Comrade Trump even if we are stuck with Pence. Trump is dangerously unqualified.

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