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Lately I decided not to be polite any longer around friends or relatives who I know supported the Idiot. I lay into him with a vengeance. I find they never defend him. They just clam up and say nothing.
I have cut off a brother who supported Trump. It was pretty easy to do since he has treated me and my family like crap for 25 years. He told me during the Clinton days I wasn't his brother because I didn't think Clinton should be impeached. (That was in front of others too). He meekly apologized via email months later.
We have pretended to have a relationship by taking each other out to lunch on our birthdays. This year I decided to end that. I don't regret it for a minute.
rzemanfl
(29,571 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Giving them a pass when they helped put a racist, sexist, unqualified, self-serving asshole in the White House would be reinforcing their notion that elections, candidates and choices don't matter.
When we give 'em hell - like the jackass intends to do to us! - then they'll begin to understand elections - and candidates - do matter! And impact their lives! If nothing else filters down - we are doing the "impacting" right here and now!
Hokie
(4,288 posts)Silence is acceptance of bad behavior in my view.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)that family is stronger than politics, and don't bring it up. Neither do they. Although a grandson did unfriend me. Blood is thicker than trumpism, and he'll be gone and we'll all still respect and love one another. Much more important!
Hokie
(4,288 posts)He was bad and I knew he was going to be be bad. I accepted him and those who voted for him. Now we are stuck with what these assholes gave us. He is much worse. I don't care if they are family or not. If they hate my country that much screw them.
Girard442
(6,085 posts)The final nail in the coffin was Trump's open courting of anti-semites and neo-nazis. That's a line I can't cross.
lovemydogs
(575 posts)Everyone is pretty much in agreement politically in my family
Xolodno
(6,401 posts)But it wasn't just politics alone, but all the other bullshit that came with it. One I didn't have to give explanation as everyone is well aware of the dirty crap he pulled. And other family members are wary of him to boot.
Another, well, I went into detail of the shit she did and aired out the dirty laundry. Turns out, I'm not the only family member who couldn't stand her, I was just the first to say I've had enough.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)tell me that they voted for trump, but they are kind, reasonable. fair-minded people who despise ,misogyny and xenophobia, and they want everyone to have health care and that they care for the planet.
That's not possible.
We're not talking sports teams here. Elections can have devastating consequences.
Xolodno
(6,401 posts)The former is a selfish SOB. Tried to railroad my Mom into losing her inheritance, push her into debt into him which would have either a. Forced us to chip in on her behalf or b. force her to walk away and he would have sold the asset in question and kept the profits.
The latter tried to get us to reverse our family trust so she could collect the full amount once my grandfather died (his house was under joint tenancy and my father was going to die before him, which would mean we would get zero if he didn't sever his portion).
SWBTATTReg
(22,171 posts)My best wishes go out to you on dealing w/ by-blood family that is this way (your brother and other family members/friends rabidly pro-Trump).
I was caught in-between my brother (extreme democrat) and my father (extreme republican). You can imagine the arguments I was caught in the middle of. I finally told both of them, enough, and that if they didn't really have a constructive comment that actually dealt w/ a topic or issue, I wasn't interested in hearing them anymore. But in truth, I must say that sometimes your true family are those around you that help pull you up in good or bad times, and the majority of them (or all of them) are not blood-related. That's family too, right?
Those pro-Trump, I'm finding more and more of them aren't saying much anymore.
My opinion is that Trump is doing the, by far, the most damage to himself, and folks are finding out what he is truly all about now, and this will continue, drip, drip, drip.
Full of hot air, spit, and bluster, but nothing really, of substance. This is like the bullies we all hear about, all bluster, and nothing to contribute, really, to the conversation (no carefully-crafted thought exercises on various issues, etc., nothing).
You got to block them out, because these 1% bullies are trying to drown out everyone else.
I like to remember the old saying about crying out Wolf, Wolf, Wolf too many times, and no one will listen anymore.
No fake news about this ... Trump has solely done this damage to himself, via his documented tweets.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)but now she is full on willfully ignorant. I suspected she wouldn't vote for Hillary but she told me she voted FOR Trump. From her incoherent blathering, her reasons included 1) both sides are the same, 2) she can't stand Hillary, 3) she had to put up with Obama for 8 years so now we have to put up with Trump for four years, and 4) said she can only control the space around her. When she ranted about a couple of policies the state legislature rammed through this year, she didn't know the GOP had rammed them through and wouldn't believe me when I told her so. I asked her what she meant by 'putting up with Obama" she had no answer. When I asked her what she liked about Trump she had no answer. When I asked why she bothered to vote if she can't impact anything outside her little sphere of influence, she bellowed I couldn't tell her not to vote and she has a right to vote. When I mentioned clean air and clean water issues she accused me of making stuff up because "we have clean air and clean water so why do you care" and scoffed at my true reply that every river and lake in our state is polluted and the gop will make it worse. I ended the conversation saying "I don't know what your values are" and asked 'what do you stand for?" and again she made no reply.
I've known her for 20 years and she is very ignorant about politics and political issues. I'm done being anything but "civil over the fence" with her because I feel she, with one vote, undid so many positive things I've worked on for so many years.
Thanks for listening.
CrispyQ
(36,531 posts)I haven't unfriended them, but I no longer see what they post. Life is much nicer that way. Before I did that, though, they were not posting about Trump as much as they were still posting about the evil HRC.
I know a few women who voted for him. Yeah, I know, huh? White women. Was I surprised when I read that 53% of white women went for the Con. WTF? It's disturbing how many (mostly white) women have bought into the patriarchy.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)I knew they were Republicans, but I did not realize that they had become ardent Trump supporters.
THEY brought up politics and seemed utterly surprised when I not only did not agree with all of the crap spewing out of their mouths, but when I actually had facts to debate their lies.
THEY believe there is a mass media conspiracy that is against their precious little Trumpster and that he is the answer to all answers. They cannot see how Republicans attacking Obama or Hillary has anything to do with Democrats calling out Republicans now. They want government out of their lives. I countered that I wanted much of it out of my life, too, and brought up pro-choice points and LGBTQ issues. They have no problem with LGBTQ issues because that's "none of our business". When I further inquired as to why a woman's sex life WAS any of their business, they explained that they have a duty, as Christians, to defend an unborn child. I told them that I, as a Christian, simply do not believe that. I tried to remain civil but it was a long lunch. I'll not make that mistake again.
Yesterday, I had lunch with some fellow Democrats, one of which is a PhD. She brought up an excellent point during the course of the conversation that I believe would fit as to my lunch with the Republicans. She said that she believes that the Republicans have become so egotistical as to their devotion to Trump that they cannot admit that they were wrong. That they will excuse anything that he does rather than admit that they've been wrong about him. All about ego.
I think she is right!
pnwest
(3,266 posts)Their unhinged hatred of Hillary and Obamacare is impenetrable. The trumpers in my universe are die-hards who will never, ever - until their dying day - admit trump is a crook, or that they made a mistake supporting him. So they double down on their support, and react so vehemently when I voice a criticism (which is kind of a tell, itself), that it's just pointless to try to enlighten them. Just frustrates and angers me, and delights them to see a "librul snowflake all worked up!". So I refuse to give them the pleasure anymore.
GhostofJFK
(15 posts)They are in their mid 70's and my mom has some form of dementia so she doesn't notice anyways. My dad seems sad when he calls once a month to say hi
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)After the election, she was adamant that I had no way of predicting that Trump would be a disaster as president. I told her then that Putin and I could both easily make such a prediction.
I saw her over July 4th holiday...her 18 year old son has joined the marines, and she is beside herself with worry. She also has a 16 year old son, and a 14 year old daughter.
Those were the three things I brought up, when I told her not to vote for him. I feel bad for her. She will have years to worry about/regret her hateful vote against a dedicated public servant, in favor of a know-nothing pussy grabber.
MiddleClass
(888 posts)Make sure you don't turn that anger against something you said offhandedly.
And God forgive, if something happens to her son because of trumps actions,
she would never forgive you, rather than blaming the orange one's bravado.
Sorry for getting personal, but perceived with caution, it's a minefield now (your friendship)
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I got the impression she understands where she went wrong. I thought she was gonna cry when she told me about the new Marine. She knows I love that kid, he is one of the most kind and considerate people I know. Many, many people warned her, for the exact same reason I did. Some lessons are hard to learn.
MiddleClass
(888 posts)That's good, sounds like it's not something to be worried about,
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)I honestly don't know a single person who voted for him. I don't even have Rs in my family or friendships. Didn't see a single pro-Trump lawn sign in my city during the election. I love living in L.A. county!
Amishman
(5,559 posts)Usually some comment about SCOTUS, beating ISIS, or some other pet conservative issue (immigration, guns, trade, etc). The vibe I get is they wanted more but are OK with 4 years of status quo.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)and these are folks not related...long time co-workers, associates...they don't seem to be able to converse....
I've cut them all off...can't be bothered...
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)sagetea
(1,375 posts)I don't really know any "trump'' supporters because people like that I would never had anything in common with. I'm sure I have family that voted for him, I don't know for sure, and the reason why is if they acted or said anything that I would find toxic I cut them out of my life. I don't live and die with the belief that blood is thicker than water.
I had a best friend, who was the first feminist I knew, she helped me with understanding feminism, however, she became a Ron Paul supporter and when we talked about his misogynism, she told me that "We'll get back to women's issues after he's president". I thought then that she lost sight of who she was and we eventually stopped talking. This was a 40 yr. friendship, I still love her and the memories we've shared, but we have different values now. It just baffles my mind that people want to have such toxic waste in their lives before or after this trump fiasco.
A-Ho!
sage
MiddleClass
(888 posts)When they're all hyped up about how they won, you lost,
just do like Hoffman did in the "Charlie Wilson's war", just answer, smile, "we'll see"
sit back and watch the change, when everyone is so sick of politics,
that's just them saying to themselves "holy crap did I screw up"
and when everybody turns against the brother you speak of,
don't fight with him, just pour salt into the wounds. When other people complain about his constant trump support.
Not only do you win the argument without fighting the battle, you look sensible doing it.
I guess it's having courage in your convictions without being alienating, get everyone on your side feels so much better when you don't say a thing (which you actually do quietly)
Orrex
(63,225 posts)And I don't give a shit how they respond.
Mind you, I didn't start out this way, but I'm done wasting time on reason, facts, and evidence when they have demonstrated clearly that they have no interest in any of these.
Reason, facts, and evidence do not affect their opinion, and neither does shame. Hell, even direct personal tragedy directly resulting from the Trump catastrophe doesn't sway them, because they simply blame it on "Barry HUSSEIN Obummer."
Fuck them. Fuck every last one of the idiot racist fuckheads who voted for him. Even my "friends and relatives."
WhiteTara
(29,723 posts)the OrangeAnus. He is no longer my hair cutter.
mercuryblues
(14,543 posts)I ditched mine too. She was posting all sorts of trump stuff. I asked her how she explained supporting a man who admitted to grabbing women by the *, admitted to groping and grabbing women against their wishes. She deleted the post. Apparently it was to erase my comment. The next day she reposted it. I unfriended her and found a new person to do my hair. She is cheaper and better.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)Make no mistake. They aren't stopping, or dropping this insanity. Trumpists and even worse idiots out there are hell-bent to double, triple and quadruple down. A vision of a caucasian low information paradise is being sold out there and 1/4 to 1/3 of America is buying at least part it. I'm not talking about some paranoid "they" here. Members of my own family are talking about violence being justified in order to overthrow liberals who are trying to destroy "Merica" -- mostly because of crap fed to them by FUX News. It scares the shit out of me, and it should scare you too.
lib-ruhl
(127 posts)Their response pre-election was always "Benghazi, Emails, HC is a liar.. blah..blah..blah.
Now it's "Fake news". I try not to bring up politics with family and friends to keep the peace. I can see it getting real ugly if one of them tries to defend Trump. Its worked so far. But if I'm ever within earshot of some D-bag spewing how democrats and liberals are ruining this country and how Trump will MAGA. They will not go unchallenged with facts vs their alt facts!
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)and when they do, I stay away from politics. I don't have anyone all that close to me that was a Trump supporter though. The Trump supporters I know are mostly friendly acquaintances.