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GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:23 PM Jul 2012

Revelation 18: 2: A cage for every unclean and hateful bird

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"And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird."

Revelation 18: 2, New American Standard Bible Copyright 1995


Do you ever get the feeling we're living in the End Times? I sure as hell do. (Pun quite intended.)
The Book of Revelation is traditionally a very difficult book of the Bible to interpret but it seems pretty clear two things from this quote: The 'Babylon' to which the writer of the Book of Revelation was referring does not seem to be the Babylon of old-it is some other nation being being referred to as a metonymy, and the demons and unclean spirits and 'hateful birds' are spirits of corruption, larceny, greed, etc.

So which nation on Earth seems likely to be this new 'Whore of Babylon'? Well it could be anyone or maybe one that doesn't exist today. But I would bet on it being right here. The Whore of Babylon will be home grown. We have the precursors for a system such as that laid out in Revelation now. A global financial system, in which wealth is traded horizontally among the tiny ultra elite class who freely trade in goods and slaves. This isn't here obviously yet but let's examine the writing on the wall.

We already in this nation have a system in which a sovereign government has no right or ability to print its own money-the only legal entity in the nation is the Federal Reserve-a conglomerate of private banking intererests. Now this is old, old news and it's like beating a horse skeleton to repeat it but bear with me. Consider that this is a form of bondage which keeps the American citizen and the American Government both held in sway to the will of the Banks. A form of financial slavery of which we are all born into. A one world government will have a single currency which will probably be fiat and will be controlled by a tiny handful of powerful elite.

The one world government of the Book of Revelation will have total control over all aspects of life including commerce, religion, finance, etc. We don't don't have a one world government right now but we have in our midst a tiny prototypical experiment, The European Union. While it looks like it's in serious trouble and maybe on the verge of collapse it still stands that this monolithic system has already been tested. There are only a handful of institutions which would be able to rule a One World Government. The financial system will probably be something like that in Bolshevik Russia and I dare say that Catholicism will probably be the religion as it is one of the few institutions with the power to influence world politics on the scale in which it does. And it goes more or less without saying that the only kind of government that could possibly stand as a One World Government would be a tyranny and a police state. An autocracy. The evidence for this is spelled out in Revelation also. And if you want a model for this sort of activity going on today there are a number of police states out there, Indonesia being a notable one. England also is absolutely obsessed control of the population in fine detail.

Another (frightening) aspect of the One World Order of Revelation is the routine trade of slaves (souls) as goods. If you believe the world will never see slavery again well, I wouldn't hold my breath. Already it appears that the status quo is gearing up to create two classes of people-the ultra rich and the ultra poor. I ask you-how will these permanently unemployed ultra poor survive? And if you don't believe that American institutions already embrace a form of indenture that's little above slavery take the case of the notorious 'Ipod City'; Apple's Ipod manufacturing plant in China where the workers literally earn pennies a day and live in dormitories and where conditions are so bad that the workers made shows of jumping off the railings from the upper stories of the plant in suicide while American Executives visited the plants. This Apple here-Good old Steve Jobs' company. He must be rolling in his grave. I don't think he would have approved. Either way it's become what it's become. The company's response? Put nets up to stop people from jumping to their death. American Industry's response in general? Threaten China that if it attempts to enact laws protecting its workers and holding American Industrialists accountable for such Human Rights violations that it will withdraw industry and funding from China. And right now the Chinese are living the 'American Dream' through American funding. If Industrialists can get away with this kind of enforced servitude today who knows what they'll be able to get away with in the future.

This passage might not be very persuasive to some but to me I see all these things unfolding just as spelled out in the Book of Revelation. We're in the embryonic stages of the 'Great Tribulation' now. It's all prophesy coming to the fore as my father would say.

So what do I suggest? Vote now while you still can because who knows how long we'll still be able. The Whore of Babylon could be right around the corner with her cup of filth.

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Revelation 18: 2: A cage for every unclean and hateful bird (Original Post) GopperStopper2680 Jul 2012 OP
No. n/t sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #1
As in 'No, I'm wrong and I'm a screwed in the head 'nut job' conspiracist? GopperStopper2680 Jul 2012 #5
No to the question. Are we in the end of times. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #11
huh. BOG PERSON Jul 2012 #2
I do say. GopperStopper2680 Jul 2012 #3
The only 'end-times' we're in is the increasingly apparent damage we've done to this planet... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #4
All well and good.. GopperStopper2680 Jul 2012 #6
I don't think Revelation was a prophesy as Christians like to believe. notadmblnd Jul 2012 #8
REPENT BEFORE ODIN FOR RAGNAROK IS AT HAND!!!! GarroHorus Jul 2012 #7
Not sure if this is the end times, but Zalatix Jul 2012 #9
"Who will become America's Top Whore of Babylon?" Buns_of_Fire Jul 2012 #13
Same as it ever was RainDog Jul 2012 #10
War of the Gods demwing Jul 2012 #12
vishnu rides a white horse to ring out this Iron Age BOG PERSON Jul 2012 #15
Is this where the bible calls a bat a bird.. snooper2 Jul 2012 #14
oogedy-boogedy!!!! piratefish08 Jul 2012 #16
Locking -- this does not meet the Statement of Purpose for GD fishwax Jul 2012 #17

sinkingfeeling

(51,484 posts)
1. No. n/t
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jul 2012
 

GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
5. As in 'No, I'm wrong and I'm a screwed in the head 'nut job' conspiracist?
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:35 PM
Jul 2012

Well I do so hope you're right but I don't think I am. And I as stated in my reply to the other reply here I'll joyfully eat my hat and admit I'm wrong. But I don't think I am.

sinkingfeeling

(51,484 posts)
11. No to the question. Are we in the end of times.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jul 2012

BOG PERSON

(2,916 posts)
2. huh.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:32 PM
Jul 2012

you don't say.

 

GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
3. I do say.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:33 PM
Jul 2012

I would like to hope I'm wrong actually. Maybe I am? I won't complain. I'll eat this one if it turns out that I screwed the pooch but I don't see it happening.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
4. The only 'end-times' we're in is the increasingly apparent damage we've done to this planet...
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jul 2012

...we've forgotten the Golden Rule...don't shit where you eat...mankind is going to be in for a VERY rough ride in the next 2-3 decades...no mythical horsemen needed...

 

GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
6. All well and good..
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:36 PM
Jul 2012

And as I replied twice here, I'd be happy as a hog in sh#t if those Horsemen dismounted. I don't think they will...but the reaming we're putting the environment through is bad enough. So even if the Biblical prophesy of Revelation doesn't come to the fore then that's small comfort if we turn the entire planet into a Death Valley, isn't it?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
8. I don't think Revelation was a prophesy as Christians like to believe.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:43 PM
Jul 2012

it was code for events that was happening in the world at that time.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
7. REPENT BEFORE ODIN FOR RAGNAROK IS AT HAND!!!!
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jul 2012

Bow down in fear, for Yggdrasil shudders and moans!!!!



Brothers will fight
and kill each other,
sisters' children
will defile kinship.
It is harsh in the world,
whoredom rife
—an axe age, a sword age
—shields are riven—
a wind age, a wolf age—
before the world goes headlong.
No man will have
mercy on another.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
9. Not sure if this is the end times, but
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:47 PM
Jul 2012

A lot of what was said in that passage seems to parallel what is happening now.

Whore of Babylon? We have LOTS of those. Question is which one will become America's Top Whore of Babylon... and when?

A dwelling place of demons? Hello, the GOP, anyone? The Tea Party? If there aren't real demons then these monsters come close enough.

A One World Government? Some people have been advocating for this. And we have the UN, a fairly failed attempt at a one world Government. Globalism is most certainly more a step forward than a step backwards in this regard.

Slavery? Yeah we have hotspots of that in the third world. It's necessary to keep the flow of cheap goods coming into America. Yay for outsourcing.


Revelations 18:2? I am not sure if that is on its way to being realized. But "We're in the embryonic stages of the 'Great Tribulation' now"? You betcha. This is one metaphorical abortion I would be glad to help perform.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,202 posts)
13. "Who will become America's Top Whore of Babylon?"
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:08 PM
Jul 2012
"To find out, watch the exciting new reality series, beginning this fall on CBS!"

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
10. Same as it ever was
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

People have been predicting that the prophesy of revelations is upon us for thousands of years.

....and they've always been wrong.

Religious stuff like this is just something to hang an argument on and make it seem more meaningful than it is. Or it's used to scare people who believe in this stuff.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
12. War of the Gods
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jul 2012

Odin


Vishnu (Narashingha Incarnation)


Jesus


Seems like Christianity might have some training to do...

BOG PERSON

(2,916 posts)
15. vishnu rides a white horse to ring out this Iron Age
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jul 2012
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
14. Is this where the bible calls a bat a bird..
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:10 PM
Jul 2012

But it's got wings (flap flap flap) , it can fly!

piratefish08

(3,133 posts)
16. oogedy-boogedy!!!!
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jul 2012








fishwax

(29,149 posts)
17. Locking -- this does not meet the Statement of Purpose for GD
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:15 PM
Jul 2012

You may find it fits better in the religion forum or the creative speculation forum.

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