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malaise

(268,993 posts)
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 12:29 PM Jul 2017

When the shit really hits the fan remember

Lyin Ryan made them to swear to secrecy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.9066faf69d86

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A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

Before the conversation, McCarthy and Ryan had emerged from separate talks at the Capitol with Ukrainian Prime Minister Vladi­mir Groysman, who had described a Kremlin tactic of financing populist politicians to undercut Eastern European democratic institutions.

News had just broken the day before in The Washington Post that Russian government hackers had penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee, prompting McCarthy to shift the conversation from Russian meddling in Europe to events closer to home.

Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks. . . . This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

The remarks remained secret for nearly a year.

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This was no fucking joke as they claimed. They are all in this together

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When the shit really hits the fan remember (Original Post) malaise Jul 2017 OP
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2017 #1
They are the "real family." The real Mafia Family of gangsters. olegramps Jul 2017 #31
And just like the Corleone family DFW Jul 2017 #62
The GOP always claim patriotic superiority PJMcK Jul 2017 #2
Absolutely malaise Jul 2017 #3
Money buys power... hanascar99 Jul 2017 #32
Exactly. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #52
Too funny that Akhmetshin met with Rohrabacher in April leftstreet Jul 2017 #4
This needs its own OP malaise Jul 2017 #5
Yeah, do! leftstreet Jul 2017 #6
I'd forgotten this! And I've been "waiting" for connections Hortensis Jul 2017 #28
That Prevezon case keeps popping up...... lastlib Jul 2017 #29
Lyin Ryan is dirty too FM123 Jul 2017 #7
Just read that malaise Jul 2017 #55
Time for Paul and Kevin to speak with Bob, under oath. dem4decades Jul 2017 #8
They are disgusting. gademocrat7 Jul 2017 #9
K and effin' R suffragette Jul 2017 #10
And remember McTraitor McTurdle threatened Obama in August.... lastlib Jul 2017 #11
Yep - very importantand denied Obama his SCOTUS hearing malaise Jul 2017 #23
Coup indeed leftinalabama Jul 2017 #27
I was absolutely sure that the elections malaise Jul 2017 #30
I know that feeling. calimary Jul 2017 #46
Look at the timeline. One day before Jr's meeting on June 15, 2016 NightWatcher Jul 2017 #12
Only the blind can't see what went down malaise Jul 2017 #21
They're a real family, alright ... Jopin Klobe Jul 2017 #13
Way more than cretins malaise Jul 2017 #24
I know this sounds crazy but there is a lot to go around. gordianot Jul 2017 #14
We keep working toward that Cosmocat Jul 2017 #15
OH YEAH! That Russian lawyer woman was sitting behind Rohrabacher annabanana Jul 2017 #16
This is another hearing malaise Jul 2017 #19
This is truly scary and serious Timmygoat Jul 2017 #17
So much for a two party system. BarbD Jul 2017 #18
No that's why they're republicans... hanascar99 Jul 2017 #34
Damned few. They are sheep. LuckyLib Jul 2017 #36
Remember this was a leadership meeting malaise Jul 2017 #20
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jul 2017 #22
Not to derail ... lpbk2713 Jul 2017 #25
Yes indeed malaise Jul 2017 #26
Rohrabacher's name is popping back up. . . .n/t annabanana Jul 2017 #33
Check leftstreet's post at #4 malaise Jul 2017 #35
BIG question: who RECORDED the meeting with Ryan, McCarthy, et al??? chimpymustgo Jul 2017 #38
I do want to know malaise Jul 2017 #39
Evan McMullin is a name I read somewhere VigilantG Jul 2017 #56
Yep - that's the name malaise Jul 2017 #58
Question malaise Jul 2017 #64
Oh, very interesting question...will need to find out, but my money says yes. VigilantG Jul 2017 #65
Something just went off in my head malaise Jul 2017 #66
Do you know if a DUer has obtained the names of the Republicans from that meeting ? VigilantG Jul 2017 #68
The WP article says ReTHUG leadership malaise Jul 2017 #69
Found this malaise Jul 2017 #70
Thank you! So..Scalise WAS there. Interesting. VigilantG Jul 2017 #72
Hehehehe malaise Jul 2017 #73
K & R..& thanks! nt furtheradu Jul 2017 #37
I will not forget. Mickju Jul 2017 #40
Lyin' ryan pangaia Jul 2017 #41
And this malaise Jul 2017 #42
K & R Achilleaze Jul 2017 #43
Thank you for this post. mobeau69 Jul 2017 #44
I think the majority of the American people are also on the side of democracy malaise Jul 2017 #49
and others... XRubicon Jul 2017 #45
True but this is the House leadership malaise Jul 2017 #48
He's keeping his kompramat quiet XRubicon Jul 2017 #51
I hope so malaise Jul 2017 #53
+1000! dchill Jul 2017 #60
K&R HipChick Jul 2017 #47
K&R... spanone Jul 2017 #50
Nice one, malaise. longship Jul 2017 #54
Yes, yes, yes! Solly Mack Jul 2017 #57
HORRIBLE trueblue2007 Jul 2017 #59
RICO L. Coyote Jul 2017 #61
Agreed malaise Jul 2017 #63
Perfect VigilantG Jul 2017 #67
K&R SalviaBlue Jul 2017 #71

DFW

(54,377 posts)
62. And just like the Corleone family
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 08:18 AM
Jul 2017

When they think the time is right, they will not hesitate to rid themselves of those family members they think have done the family wrong. They will then quietly vanish from the face of the earth, and in true Mafia style: at the hands of their own people. Those Republicans that other Republicans feel have done wrong will get as much mention as Spiro Angew did in 1975.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
2. The GOP always claim patriotic superiority
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 12:38 PM
Jul 2017

Among many other examples, this story illustrates how corrupt and un-American Republicans behave.

Disgusting.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
4. Too funny that Akhmetshin met with Rohrabacher in April
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 12:43 PM
Jul 2017

May 4 2017

(CNN)These days, most American officials would be reluctant to disclose any connection to Russia, much less a meeting with an alleged former Soviet spy whose alleged role in lobbying on behalf of Kremlin interests was recently called out by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

But Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican representative from California, openly acknowledges such a meeting with Rinat Akhmetshin.

It lasted between 15 and 20 minutes and took place the night of April 11 in Berlin, at the lobby bar of the Westin Grand Hotel, according to two eyewitnesses and Rohrabacher.
The topic of discussion: A high-profile Russian money laundering case and related sanctions on Russia.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/rohrabacher-prevezon/index.html

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. I'd forgotten this! And I've been "waiting" for connections
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jul 2017

to the GOP as the real "boot falling," too. Let's hope they're devastating. Right now, Rump could be removed and the GOP left standing as a self-declared symbol of anti-Rump probity for much of the nation.

I'd also forgotten McCarthy's "joke." Rump-Russia was obviously as common knowledge in congress as Sandusky's child rapes were among Penn State staff.

lastlib

(23,226 posts)
29. That Prevezon case keeps popping up......
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jul 2017

I think it needs a WHOLE LOT closer scrutiny. It's the reason Drumpf fired Bharara and the other US attorneys. Bob Mueller, if you're listening, find out what's going on here!! This not only smells, it REEKS! of TrumPutin soilage.

gademocrat7

(10,656 posts)
9. They are disgusting.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jul 2017

Taking an oath to uphold our Constitution means nothing to this cabal. Constituents be damned.

lastlib

(23,226 posts)
11. And remember McTraitor McTurdle threatened Obama in August....
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 01:58 PM
Jul 2017

...not to go public with allegations about Russian cyberattacks. Clearly, he is in on the crime as well. Arrest and frog-march ALL the treasonous bastards!!

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leftinalabama

(30 posts)
27. Coup indeed
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jul 2017

The morning after the election I told my wife and friends that it felt like a coup just took place. They all said that was a little far fetched. Now they all are saying I was right. Just about time to get in the streets because it doesn't seem like anything is going to happen to this criminal cabal to me. Something needs to be done.

calimary

(81,260 posts)
46. I know that feeling.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 08:25 PM
Jul 2017

I felt the same way. That was the only way to explain it logically.

Felt like I'd been sucker-punched. It felt like the whole nation had been sucker-punched.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
14. I know this sounds crazy but there is a lot to go around.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:04 PM
Jul 2017

What if these deplorables actually come out and publicly announce the want to dump NATO for an open alliance with the Russian Federation? It would at the least be honest.

Trump and the Republicans are doing it anyway they could make it official and stop lying.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
16. OH YEAH! That Russian lawyer woman was sitting behind Rohrabacher
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:25 PM
Jul 2017

in a hearing meeting photo I just saw recently.. Can anyone find that shot?

Timmygoat

(779 posts)
17. This is truly scary and serious
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:35 PM
Jul 2017

What in the world happens if it is found out that many of the republicans had been complicit in the russian crime
of stealing our democracy, do they all get impeached, go to jail of what, this is too much to get my head around.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
38. BIG question: who RECORDED the meeting with Ryan, McCarthy, et al???
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:16 PM
Jul 2017

It couldn't have been a Rethug leader. Conjecture?

malaise

(268,993 posts)
39. I do want to know
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jul 2017

There have been some names mentioned - can't remember them but it was a ReTHUG


Fugg they are terrified - Caputo is on CNN holding a press conference. Yes the shit has hit the fan.

malaise

(268,993 posts)
70. Found this
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 09:05 PM
Jul 2017
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/republicans-say-secret-talk-about-putin-paying-trump-was-just-a-joke
<snip>
One month before Donald Trump won the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, G.O.P. lawmakers were whispering about the possibility of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. According to an audio recording obtained by The Washington Post, House Republican leaders were discussing a meeting with the prime minister of Ukraine, who had warned about Russia’s efforts to destabilize Western democracies by funding populist politicians, when the group—which included Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, and Conference Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers—turned the conversation to Russian interference in the United States.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy said, referring to California Republican Dana Rohrabacher, who has repeatedly advocated for closer relations with Russia. “Swear to God,” McCarthy added as others in the room laughed.

VigilantG

(374 posts)
72. Thank you! So..Scalise WAS there. Interesting.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:44 AM
Jul 2017

Last edited Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Sorry about typo or Freudian slip.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
41. Lyin' ryan
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 06:08 PM
Jul 2017


"House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy. "

malaise

(268,993 posts)
42. And this
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 06:25 PM
Jul 2017

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks. . . . This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

The remarks remained secret for nearly a year.

mobeau69

(11,144 posts)
44. Thank you for this post.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 07:11 PM
Jul 2017

One of the only facts that keeps me hopeful is that we are with the majority. I am afraid that our nations survival is in the hands of a single man, Robert Mueller. What will history write about him?

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
45. and others...
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 07:38 PM
Jul 2017

If I recall correctly the piss dossier stated that the russians had information on Trump and others.

longship

(40,416 posts)
54. Nice one, malaise.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 09:46 PM
Jul 2017

No fucking joke is correct.

And the GOP is playing their cards like there is no hand that can beat theirs.

The question is, what do they do when somebody raises with all-in? We know that it's inevitable. But that's also when they get really dangerous.

for us all.

As always,

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
61. RICO
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 08:01 AM
Jul 2017

.... a person who has committed "at least two acts of racketeering activity" drawn from a list of 35 crimes—27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes—within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering if such acts are related in one of four specified ways to an "enterprise".[citation needed] Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $25,000 and sentenced to 20 years in prison per racketeering count.[citation needed] In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of "racketeering activity."[citation needed]

When the U.S. Attorney decides to indict someone under RICO, they have the option of seeking a pre-trial restraining order or injunction to temporarily seize a defendant's assets and prevent the transfer of potentially forfeitable property, as well as require the defendant to put up a performance bond. ......

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RICO predicate offenses

Under the law, the meaning of racketeering activity is set out at 18 U.S.C. § 1961. As currently amended it includes:

Any violation of state statutes against gambling, ............
Any act of.... fraud, ... obstruction of justice, .... money laundering ..........

wiki

.... Pro-life activists
RICO laws were successfully cited in NOW v. Scheidler, 510 U.S. 249, 114 S. Ct. 798, 127 L.Ed. 2d 99 (1994), a suit in which certain parties, including the National Organization for Women, sought damages and an injunction against pro-life activists who physically block access to abortion clinics. The Court held that a RICO enterprise does not need an economic motive, and that the Pro-Life Action Network could therefore qualify as a RICO enterprise. The Court remanded for consideration of whether PLAN committed the requisite acts in a pattern of racketeering activity. ..........

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