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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:16 PM Jul 2017

BREAKING: New Report Claims Russian Lawyer Actually Did Bring Clinton Dirt Docs to Trump Jr. Meeting

by Rachel Stockman | 1:22 pm, July 14th, 2017

You’ve heard the word bombshell tossed around throughout the news surrounding the Russia probe, but a new report in the Associated Press is certain to raise even more eyebrows. Reporters for the outlet tracked down Rinat Akmestshin, a Russian American lobbyist who reportedly once was a Russian spy (he denies it). He confirmed his participation in the June 2016 meeting with Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. But, here’s the shocking part. He told them that the Russian attorney actually did bring with her a plastic folder with “printed-out” documents detailing illicit funds allegedly being funneled to the DNC.

Here’s the bombshell that was actually buried pretty far down in the AP article:

<< During the meeting, Akhmetshin said Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democratic National Committee. Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the Trump campaign, he said.



Akhmetshin said he does not know if Veselnitskaya’s documents were provided by the Russian government. He said he thinks she left the materials with the Trump associates. It was unclear if she handed the documents to anyone in the room or simply left them behind, he said. >>

Earlier this week, Donald Trump Jr. said he never received anything of substance from the Russian lawyer. He claims she provided no “supporting information” about the claims.

more
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/bombshell-new-report-claims-russian-lawyer-actually-did-bring-clinton-dirt-docs-to-trump-jr-meeting/

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BREAKING: New Report Claims Russian Lawyer Actually Did Bring Clinton Dirt Docs to Trump Jr. Meeting (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2017 OP
So every single time anybody from the Trump family, WH or administration Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #1
And that wasn't even a lie, per se. It was conflating two events. LisaM Jul 2017 #2
I wanted to be as accurate as possible. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #4
You are conflating Hillary and Williams from NBC AngryAmish Jul 2017 #5
My recollection is Hillary also is accused of saying the same thing. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #6
There's lies, and then there's damn lies. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #10
The thing is- the changes made the health plans a better value! So WTF?!? bettyellen Jul 2017 #11
Some personal anecdote about Bosnia? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #15
I think that is not true... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #17
I was pointing out a rather stark difference, and mentioned the ONLY Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #36
Obviously, Bullshit leftover from the campaign MiddleClass Jul 2017 #37
You can support anyone you choose...didn't mean it that way. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #46
You know they're going to focus on awesomerwb1 Jul 2017 #3
I'm going to guess that the files provided did not AJT Jul 2017 #8
Yeah, they got nothing but those shitty emails so they exaggerated them- had Wiki edit them to bettyellen Jul 2017 #12
I hope Susan Sarandon feels stupid MiddleClass Jul 2017 #38
This is bullshit.The linked article did not even state that which the OP proports it to have said politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2017 #24
It seems to me that they dangled the emails and falsely advertised there was good dirt coming.... bettyellen Jul 2017 #44
If there was any real dirt, the GOP would have used it. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #20
Agreed. If the negative DNC info was good, they would have wasted no time... Raster Jul 2017 #32
And Hillary should not comment on this shit. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #47
I think the old adage of "give 'em enough rope" is perfect here.... Raster Jul 2017 #48
Oh, I expect The Trump Turds will focus on that in another way, with another monstrous lie. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #31
Holy shit...you can't turn away for a second. Illicit funds to the DNC? Not good, if true. PearliePoo2 Jul 2017 #7
If it was true- it would have come out. It didn't so I think we know better. bettyellen Jul 2017 #13
Yeah, you're correct! Especially since BLOTUS NEVER held that newser that he was crowing about. PearliePoo2 Jul 2017 #16
Remember that- because they're going to try and spin it exactly that way.... bettyellen Jul 2017 #23
"They are trying to spin uncovering their crimes as crimes." Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #33
Maddow gave us a heads up that White House was going try to spin this into a "Democrat Scandal" emulatorloo Jul 2017 #29
Well, it WAS turning out to be a quiet day... brooklynite Jul 2017 #9
Do you think ANY of this is what the WaPo was sitting on? bettyellen Jul 2017 #14
It's almost impossible to believe Trump wasn't there leftstreet Jul 2017 #22
At the very least he was on speaker phone listening and not saying a word- I'd ask if that bettyellen Jul 2017 #35
Remember the repug outrage when retread Jul 2017 #18
Is Trump catfishing the media? Not Ruth Jul 2017 #19
Perhaps a sample item to prove possession...Standard procedure in an election related op would be MedusaX Jul 2017 #21
We're being conned. Seems like misdirection to hide what they really brought, the DNC hack. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #25
Exactly HopeAgain Jul 2017 #26
Yes. misdirection from what they actually bought emulatorloo Jul 2017 #30
This is now definitive proof the DNC was dirty Cosmocat Jul 2017 #41
Of course they did. kacekwl Jul 2017 #27
This is why Trump Jr said they didn't provide any Hillary dirt. thesquanderer Jul 2017 #49
Russian lawyer brought news that they indeed had the emails that Trump talked about in his speech.. kentuck Jul 2017 #28
At least MFM008 Jul 2017 #34
one loses track of the lies... spanone Jul 2017 #39
So she gave them proof the DNC taking illegal funds Cosmocat Jul 2017 #40
No. It's not believable. Achilleaze Jul 2017 #42
Right? Cosmocat Jul 2017 #45
imagine the worse possible scenario for our country and you're probably spot on with what happened spanone Jul 2017 #43

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
1. So every single time anybody from the Trump family, WH or administration
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:18 PM
Jul 2017

opens their mouth, EVERY SINGLE TIME, they are lying.

Got it.

Obama , zero lies

Hillary, lied once about being under fire in helicopter, other than that, zero.

I am losing patience.

LisaM

(27,808 posts)
2. And that wasn't even a lie, per se. It was conflating two events.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:21 PM
Jul 2017

Even the military people involved admitted that's a very common thing.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
4. I wanted to be as accurate as possible.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:24 PM
Jul 2017

Clinton Obama combined, one statement not entirely true

Trump and team, 3,987 untrue statements in 2017 alone.

I have lost all patience with all people who support him. I consider them enemies of America, traitors.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
6. My recollection is Hillary also is accused of saying the same thing.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:26 PM
Jul 2017

Bosnia.

She exaggerated the conditions on the ground, and to date she and Obama combined are guilty of one exaggeration as compared to republicans who lie all day, everyday.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
10. There's lies, and then there's damn lies.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jul 2017

“If you like your health care plan, you can keep it.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

'Purity' annoys the hell out of me.

Remember how you can tell a politician is lying?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
11. The thing is- the changes made the health plans a better value! So WTF?!?
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:50 PM
Jul 2017

I've never seen such twisted shit. And they blatantly lie all day long. Crazy.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
17. I think that is not true...
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:03 PM
Jul 2017

And given what we know what really happened...I think we should leave Hillary alone...clearly there was a Russian disinformation effort, collusion with the Russian and some fell for it...some who should have been on our side were tricked (those who vote for Stein etc.).

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
36. I was pointing out a rather stark difference, and mentioned the ONLY
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 04:58 PM
Jul 2017

comment of hers that could be remotely construed as such.

As opposed to tens of thousands from trump and friends.

I dont think there is a bigger HRC supporter on this site, so excuse me if I came off otherwise.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
37. Obviously, Bullshit leftover from the campaign
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:13 PM
Jul 2017

False equivalency. I think it's called.

Hillary and Brian Williams, overly exaggerated a helicopter story that actually happened.

Is equal to 20 lies before lunch. It's equivalent, it's decided, they're both equal.



Everyone understands exactly what you're saying, they're just trying to be intellectually honest

awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
3. You know they're going to focus on
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:24 PM
Jul 2017

this: "actually did bring with her a plastic folder with “printed-out” documents detailing illicit funds allegedly being funneled to the DNC."

It also strengthens the collusion part. Adoptions, suuuuure.

Is it possible the DNC (pennyless when Clinton won nomination according to, was it Hillary herself?), so is it possible for anyone to take foreign money indirectly like that?

AJT

(5,240 posts)
8. I'm going to guess that the files provided did not
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:36 PM
Jul 2017

support the allegations so they didn't use them.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
12. Yeah, they got nothing but those shitty emails so they exaggerated them- had Wiki edit them to
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:52 PM
Jul 2017

Piss off Sanders supporters etc and ran with it- because hey already had distro network set up. They wanted to be able to make it look like the swing states cared about emails. They did not.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
38. I hope Susan Sarandon feels stupid
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:22 PM
Jul 2017

I hope Cornell West feels stupid.
I hope Nina Turner feels stupid, no wait, she is stupid, lacking in all self-awareness.

Like Cheeto. She can't feel stupid.

It's like getting a dog all riled up over a ball, and even throwing it in front of a train

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
24. This is bullshit.The linked article did not even state that which the OP proports it to have said
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:27 PM
Jul 2017

Below are the actual quotes from the linked Lawnewz.com Article. (Too bad the DU tabs aren't working so I can't highlight it therefore I'm posting it as is. While this may not be the usual "Rightwing Talking Points" and worthy of an Abuse Alert, it is still not an accurate statement of what the OP is claiming. Enough with the complicity of more Hillary Bashing. The article did not confirm what the OP's claim.

“...This could be a good issue to expose how the DNC is accepting bad money,” Akhmetshin recalled her saying.

Trump Jr. asked the attorney if she had all the evidence to back up her claims, including whether she could demonstrate the flow of the money. But Veselnitskaya said the Trump campaign would need to research it more. After that, Trump Jr. lost interest, according to Akhmetshin. ..."


http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/bombshell-new-report-claims-russian-lawyer-actually-did-bring-clinton-dirt-docs-to-trump-jr-meeting/

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
44. It seems to me that they dangled the emails and falsely advertised there was good dirt coming....
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:49 PM
Jul 2017

I bet they also talked about what they could help do w voter roll info, etc. and they tried to get a pledge to eliminate sanctions for it. That they didn't have really damning info doesn't matter- Trump hoped for it and has been keeping his promises. He became subject to black mail was then on the hook.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
20. If there was any real dirt, the GOP would have used it.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:04 PM
Jul 2017

Sounds like the Russians gave information that Trump couldn't use.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
32. Agreed. If the negative DNC info was good, they would have wasted no time...
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:45 PM
Jul 2017

...splashing it all over Fox and the Enquirer. No time at all.

Miss Russia Lawyer Thing may have brought a folder with her containing tRumped* up DNC info, but I think her main purpose was to solicit tRump* aid in relieving the sanctions against Russia.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
48. I think the old adage of "give 'em enough rope" is perfect here....
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jul 2017

...I only hope we don't run out of rope before they run out of time.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
31. Oh, I expect The Trump Turds will focus on that in another way, with another monstrous lie.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:44 PM
Jul 2017

"OK, so the Russian lady, whoever she was, left a folder with loads of dirt on Clinton, but we never touched that folder because we would never stoop to that sort of thing! Also, it was Obama's fault."

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
7. Holy shit...you can't turn away for a second. Illicit funds to the DNC? Not good, if true.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jul 2017

Plus: Is Akhmetshin blabbing freely, sending another message to Donnie from Pootie, "You better deliver on our deal"?

shit's getting real...

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
16. Yeah, you're correct! Especially since BLOTUS NEVER held that newser that he was crowing about.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:02 PM
Jul 2017

I'm just so freaked out right now, my head is spinning trying to process all the in-coming.
It's so mind-blowing, I've got to take deep breaths!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. Remember that- because they're going to try and spin it exactly that way....
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:07 PM
Jul 2017

Meanwhile they're upset someone in the Ukraine uncovered payments from Russia to Manafort.
They are trying to spin uncovering their crimes as crimes. This from the assholes who encouraged illegal leaks.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
33. "They are trying to spin uncovering their crimes as crimes."
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:50 PM
Jul 2017

They really are masters of BS. The Trumps are just natural born liars, but they are being advised my expert propagandists. I'll bet Bannon has studied everything Geobbels ever said or wrote about the subject. Probably has posters of him in his office and bedroom.

emulatorloo

(44,120 posts)
29. Maddow gave us a heads up that White House was going try to spin this into a "Democrat Scandal"
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:39 PM
Jul 2017

I"m not fooled. I doubt Mueller is fooled. These folks are liars

leftstreet

(36,107 posts)
22. It's almost impossible to believe Trump wasn't there
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jul 2017

If they had no fears of exposure pulling this off, why keep Trump away?

I won't be surprised if we hear Trump 'poked his head into the room for a second'

or something like that

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
35. At the very least he was on speaker phone listening and not saying a word- I'd ask if that
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jul 2017

were true, because he seems to use the Paulie method from goodfellas- no paper trail, nothing direct if he can help it. When did they start doing the 24 livestream of the TT lobby? Immediately after the election? I bet that will turn up info too.

retread

(3,762 posts)
18. Remember the repug outrage when
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:03 PM
Jul 2017

Obama wore a tiara



and Michelle showed her toned arms?


Colluding with a hostile foreign government to steal an election? Nary a peep.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
19. Is Trump catfishing the media?
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:03 PM
Jul 2017

Dirt or no dirt?

Does he want the story to disappear or to be the story of the year?

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
21. Perhaps a sample item to prove possession...Standard procedure in an election related op would be
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jul 2017

To make sure to create a trail of seemingly legitimate campaign funds, that can later be proven unlawful, for both candidates/parties....

That way no matter which way it goes you still have leverage in place....

So every one huddles up at Trump Tower
& lawyer chick whips out the sample document showing where one of Vlad's Oligarch pals has utilized a legit looking shell company...
that can be traced back to a foreign entity ...
to make various campaign contributions to the opposing party/candidates ...

And then she says
there is more where that came from...
If you want access
here's what the terms of the deal are going to be.....

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
25. We're being conned. Seems like misdirection to hide what they really brought, the DNC hack.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:32 PM
Jul 2017

And then they stated their price to dump it on Wikileaks is my best guess, and Trump paid the price by agreeing to collude on sanctions.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
26. Exactly
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jul 2017

He would have known exactly who had that "plastic folder" when he left. I think we are going to see a lot of misdirection.

emulatorloo

(44,120 posts)
30. Yes. misdirection from what they actually bought
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:40 PM
Jul 2017

Misdirection and a chance to lie about Democrats.

However this is not good news for Don Jr.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
49. This is why Trump Jr said they didn't provide any Hillary dirt.
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 01:15 PM
Jul 2017

He didn't realize he was supposed to take that folder that was left behind on the desk.

kentuck

(111,089 posts)
28. Russian lawyer brought news that they indeed had the emails that Trump talked about in his speech..
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:38 PM
Jul 2017

...and Don Jr had said they wanted them later in the summer.

Right on time, the Wikileaks emails came out in the final weeks of the election.

That was what was offered in that meeting, in my opinion.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
42. No. It's not believable.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:35 PM
Jul 2017

One thing Americans can be certain of, if the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief has access to poo, he will fling it. Automatically. Lowly. Disgustingly.

spanone

(135,830 posts)
43. imagine the worse possible scenario for our country and you're probably spot on with what happened
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jul 2017

how many lies have been told this week....Jesus wept

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