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yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:28 AM Jul 2017

What if the Russians were backing Trump from the beginning?

It would make a lot of sense. What if the Russians and Trump planned the Trump run for the Presidency together? There are connections going back to at least the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. Inquiring minds (and maybe the special counsel) want to know whether the Russian interference in the 2016 campaign started in 2013.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/how-trumps-miss-universe-in-russia-became-ensnared-in-a-political-inquiry.html

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What if the Russians were backing Trump from the beginning? (Original Post) yellowcanine Jul 2017 OP
Trump has a 30+ year history with the Russians... Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #1
Have you ever wondered whether they messed with the GOP primaries too? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #2
great minds think alike Afromania Jul 2017 #4
Actually I am thinking it is a probability. yellowcanine Jul 2017 #7
I was wondering something along those lines for a little bit now. Afromania Jul 2017 #3
Could have been bribed or compromised too Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #5
There is no what if Johnny2X2X Jul 2017 #6
I personally think that the Russians have been the cause of chaos in the last 20 years. Initech Jul 2017 #8

Shell_Seas

(3,333 posts)
1. Trump has a 30+ year history with the Russians...
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jul 2017

No one should have any doubt in their minds that is what happened. If they do, then they might have been a victim of Kushner/Russia microtargeting.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
2. Have you ever wondered whether they messed with the GOP primaries too?
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jul 2017

I tend to doubt it because of the chaotic and unpredictable nature of primaries, but I wonder if anybody is looking into that possibility.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
7. Actually I am thinking it is a probability.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:45 AM
Jul 2017

Trump's run for the nomination was always the most difficult part so it is hard to believe that if the Russians were involved early that they would not have interfered with the nomination process as well. Trump's success depended on a lot of candidates who would dilute the vote and knock each other off. Someone needs to look at who was helping various candidates get in the race and stay in long enough to ensure that Trump would come out with a plurality of the votes. With all of the dark money this would have been relatively easy to do.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
3. I was wondering something along those lines for a little bit now.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jul 2017

Every one of the Republicans that ran against him should wonder how they may have been sabotaged as well.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
5. Could have been bribed or compromised too
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:36 AM
Jul 2017

For at least the last few years of Obama's Presidency there seemed to have been a Republican love affair brewing with Putin's Russia. Who knows what has actually been going on behind the scenes. There could have potentially been some "collusion" between the GOP and Putin's government occurring long before Trump's campaign and/or Putin may have been developing Republican assets or obtaining incriminating information on lots of Republican officials for years before now.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
6. There is no what if
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:42 AM
Jul 2017

They did compromise Trump years ago with the aim to install him as President. There is no doubt he's been their guy since he got into politics. And there is no doubt Russian bots posted stories about his Primary opponents too.

The only question is what happens now. If Trump can't deliver to Putin they will burn him in an effort to permanently damage our Democracy.

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