So, tRump is going to pardon himself and others for stealing the election with Russian help

[stopbush]

Looking into his pardoning powers for aides and himself.

Yeah, I think we all see the handwriting on the wall.

He is going to pardon himself for HIS DIRECT INVOLVEMENT in colluding with the Russians to steal the election.

And the Congressional Rs will do nothing because guess what? THEY WERE IN ON IT. McConnell, Ryan, Priebus. All involved.

The direction Mueller is taking in his investigation is telling these TRAITORS just how close he is to exposing the whole fucking thing. Their only choices are quitting en masse, or destroying our democracy to hang onto their treasonously obtained positions of power.

Our democracy is hanging by a thread.

[C_U_L8R]

1. Doesn't he have to state exactly what crime he's pardoning for?

Pretty much a confession. Hope his jet is fueled up for a one way trip to the Philippines.

[dalton99a]

2. All he has to do is fill in the blanks

I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto __________ for all offenses against the United States which he, __________, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from __________ through ___________.

In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand blah blah blah

[L. Coyote]

3. No. Take note of Ford's pardon of Nixon, any and all crimes without specification if there were any

[stopbush]

5. Nope. IIRC, Ford pardoned Nixon for "any and all offenses he may have committed."

Nothing specific at all.

[L. Coyote]

4. That would trigger a coup and he'd never see the light of day again.

[marylandblue]

6. He can't pardon himself

He can try, but it seems pretty clear that the founders did not intend for a president to place himself above the law.

[stopbush]

7. Never been tested, according to Bechloss on Rachel just now.

Nixon's team suggested he pardon himself. He didn't - said it would be dishonorable (and Nixon knew dishonorable).

[marylandblue]

9. True it's never been tested, but...

Be able to pardon yourself would essentially make the President above the law. The only people above the law in all of human history have been kings and emperors, and I don't see the Supreme Court crowning him Donald the First yet.

[stopbush]

10. A Constitutional lawyer on O'D said that it would go down like this:

1. tRump pardons himself

2. Federal prosecutor challenges pardon in court

3. tRump asserts he is pres and can pardon anyone he wants

4. Court decides the issue

[Volaris]

11. Tell me I'm wrong,

Don't pardons apply only to crimes already proven?
Like, a pardon can't be issued until the active investigation is completed and charges have been brought?
I suppose if he wanted to, he could pardon himself for fucking that unicorn last week and then killing that dragon, but since he's not ever going to be charged with any of that, what legal standing would it have? What value would it carry?

[former9thward]

12. You are wrong.

Ford pardoned Nixon and no charges had been brought. Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, a federal fugitive, and he had not been brought to trial .

[Volaris]

13. This Is why I come here. For history lessons.

Thank you, former9thward
=)

[stopbush]

14. You are wrong.

President Ford pardoned Nixon for any crimes he may have committed.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. Being pardoned for something means not being able to take the Fifth when questioned about it later