Tell me again, how women don't have it so bad here in the US..... How we are so much better off??

[boston bean]

Half Of All Female Homicide Victims Are Killed By Intimate Partners

More than half of female homicide victims were killed in connection to intimate partner violence — and in 10 percent of those cases, violence shortly before the killing might have provided an opportunity for intervention.

That is according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, published Thursday, that takes a close look at the homicides of women.

More than 55 percent of the deaths were related to partner violence, and the vast majority of those were carried out by a male partner.

"What's notable is that this is across all racial ethnic groups," says Emiko Petrosky, a science officer at the CDC and an author of the report. "Intimate partner violence can affect anyone ... it really just shows that [this] is a public health problem."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/21/538518569/cdc-half-of-all-female-murder-victims-are-killed-by-intimate-partners?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

Keep reading about how black women and indigenous women have significantly higher rates then other races... damn!

Don't tell me we got it better than those in saudi arabia whose husband and fathers can kill their wife, mother, children, if they are female... cause if we did, this wouldn't be the fucking case!

Nobody seems to give damn.. so it's not a big fn deal. Well, it is and it's about damned time something is done about it.

[boston bean]

1. 61% of hispanic women murdered was due to partner violence.. MY GOD!!!

[Doodley]

2. It isn't true to say nobody gives a damn. Also, the rights of women in Saudi Arabia are appalling

compared to US.

[cynatnite]

3. Well, we do have it better here than women in Saudi Arabia...

Women have to have a male guardian wherever they go.
Women have to have permission for marriage, divorce, travel, education, getting a job, opening a bank account. They're still not allowed to drive, but in rural areas the law isn't enforced quite a severely.

Girls can be married off at any age, but consummation is not allowed until puberty.

Not only that, women are severely punished for being the victim of rape. Oh, and a dress code, too. Skirts and sleeveless shirts, good-bye.

And if this doesn't convince you that women in Saudi have it worse than us here, I don't think anything will:

Domestic violence didn't become illegal until 2013. FOUR YEARS AGO!

People do care and the laws generally work against women here, but women in countries like Saudi Arabia have it much worse.

[boston bean]

4. In regards to the statistics for murder we most certainly have it as bad.

And the reason we do is because both have misogynistic societies.

[cynatnite]

5. I don't think the comparison is fair...

If you accept Saudi Arabia's statistics as far as violent crimes go, the US is way ahead in that regard. We're the more violent society pretty much more than most countries.

However, I'm not convinced the statistics are even accurate for a good reason. The government is an absolute monarchy and much of their laws are based on religion and strictly enforced. Domestic violence didn't become illegal until four years ago.

I don't know that Saudi Arabia counts honor killings as actual murder. Women are considered property in that country.

At least here in the states, we have a better chance of jailing the perpetrators than in Saudi Arabia. I know that's not saying much and I'm not trying to minimize the horrible violence that women face here in the states because that is a real thing which should be taken seriously. Sadly, it's not.

I just don't agree with comparing the two countries.

[boston bean]

10. Women are dead. The comparison is apt.

[cynatnite]

11. Women are dead there, too...

You're comparing apples to oranges with a lot of emotion.

I do understand what you're saying. Women being murdered and not having any power is never acceptable.

My ex-husband chose to put the grocery money up his nose and not hold down a job. If he'd bought a gun, I have no doubt I would be dead. He did try it at least once. The judge let him out of jail because he thought we had a little spat despite the bruises covering my body. Back then, I had no support system and no one to go to. There were no women's shelters where I lived.

If I ignored the facts, sure, I could say it's an apt comparison. But it's not. Two completely different cultures, with completely different laws which are applied severely based on strictly religion alone.

Domestic violence hasn't been legal long. Saudi Arabia controls everything. Women are property there.

Here in the US, we're not. Despite the shit that happens to women here in the US when it comes to domestic violence and those men who murder their wives or girlfriends, it's still better.

Saudi Arabia does not keep data on honor killings for a reason.

And any country that jails someone for wearing a skirt is no where near the same as the US.

[boston bean]

12. Why are you arguing with me about a valid point?

[cynatnite]

13. I disagree with the comparison...

You think it's a valid comparison and I do not. That's it.

[leftstreet]

6. I don't think you want to go down this path

I know you're trying to make a point, but the subject was the US, not Saudi Arabia

Not sure what SA has to do with murder rates of women in the US

[cynatnite]

7. The OP made the comparison between the two countries...

I felt it wasn't a fair comparison.

You're free to disagree.

[leftstreet]

8. Ah

I missed that! Sorry. Just read the articles instead

[cynatnite]

9. No prob :)

[boston bean]

14. The comparison was narrow and was truthful.

You have taken offense to no offense at all.

[smirkymonkey]

15. K&R

[BigmanPigman]

16. Anytime and anywhere a single, solitary woman is harmed in any way by a man is too many.

Men make up most of the inmates in jail. What does this tell you about self control and testosterone or having a functioning, rational brain and testosterone? Gee, I wonder why women feel that they are treated unfairly...THEY ARE, DUH!

[Amimnoch]

17. Perhaps it wouldn't happen if they dressed better?

People seem to have this completely misguided comfort that we're so evolved, and our treatment of women in society as a culture is soooo evolved.

There is no possible way anybody who applies any level of critical thinking to this last election cycle could continue to believe in this illusion delusion.

Pay and promotional inequality.. well known, well documented, well graphed.

People forget that it was only the 1970's that a man could LEGALLY rape his wife without consequence.

People forget that it was only 100 years ago that it was legal and common to sell off ones daughter into arranged marriage.

We're still just shy of 100 years that women were even allowed to vote.

Our society and culture has made strides, and that should be cherished and recognized.. BUT much of that progress was such a short time ago, all too easy to fall back on the progress we have made, and it's foolish to believe that we don't still have a LONG way to go to get to anything close to true equality.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

18. Okay, here's the essential point.

We are NOT in a contest with other countries about whose women have it worse. Really, we are not.

There are some terrible things here about how women are treated, especially by the criminal justice system. It really is worse in places like Saudi Arabia. That worse doesn't make it good here.

Everywhere women, all people of all ages, genders, sexual identification, etc., ought to be treated with dignity and respect. Alas, justice systems and religious beliefs conspire against that treatment. We have a long way to go almost everywhere.

Here's a related example: I think there should be universal health care. I also think that people who chose to smoke are fucking idiots and I have no sympathy for the health consequences of that choice. But I NEVER for one minute think they should be deprived of all the health care needed. Same with those who overeat and become obese, get type 2 diabetes, or whatever. Many of us make crappy choices somewhere in our lives. And even those who make perfect choices, who don't smoke, who always exercise, who always eat good healthy food, even those people get terrible diseases. I don't ever think we should be rank-ordering people by their life-style choices. Everyone deserves to be helped in their times of trouble.

Same with the women issue. All women deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, and not have to live in fear that male relatives will kill them for some trivial transgression. We have a long way to go on this planet to get to that place.

[vkkv]

19. I seriously doubt that anyone HERE has said what your thread title suggests.

Yes, there are assholes out there, it is obvious.

"Men are stupid and women are crazy. And the reason women are crazy is because men are stupid" - George Carlin

Personally, I think testosterone keeps men from being completely objective.

Men seem to think more conceptually about the world around us and women seem more likely to embrace it as it is.

Many men have ego / self-worth problems if they aren't the breadwinner, this can lead to severe insecurity and aggressiveness toward their mate.

I do question why a woman will 'hook up' with a guy that would physically abuse them.
Because we all know that there was a first time and a second, third... and she stayed with him after the FIRST time?