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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:02 AM Jul 2017

In former coal country, the working poor show open contempt for neighbors who seek handouts

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-former-coal-country-the-working-poor-show-open-contempt-for-neighbors-who-seek-handouts/ar-AAoxvtQ?ocid=spartandhp


Stuff like this makes me have less pityfor Coal Country. It is oen thing to be poor, it is another to hate people, and to feel self righteous because you are a willign pawn of the same rivh bastards that did, do, and always will think of you as scum.
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In former coal country, the working poor show open contempt for neighbors who seek handouts (Original Post) DonCoquixote Jul 2017 OP
"Poor but proud" is a big thing in a lot of economically depressed areas Warpy Jul 2017 #1
They have turned against their own, instead of the 1%ers who screwed them. SunSeeker Jul 2017 #2
I think depression is rampant in a lot of these folk Skittles Jul 2017 #3
All of my life, and I will be 69 years old next month, PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #4
I've always wanted to volunteer in a homeless shelter kitchen. betsuni Jul 2017 #6
It is a very humbling experience. brer cat Jul 2017 #8
Oh, please do volunteer. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #13
Thank you for sharing your story. diva77 Jul 2017 #19
Sometimes I come to DU and feel alien, and then DonCoquixote Jul 2017 #21
It is so different in Appalachia in just last thirty years. There was a time when the community airmid Jul 2017 #5
Nowadays if they need medical care, get in line: dalton99a Jul 2017 #9
I blame Ronald Reagan for that mentality. Boomerproud Jul 2017 #18
I read less then 5% of 'working poor' make it to middle class. depressing for them. agree with Obama Sunlei Jul 2017 #7
The working poor understand that 'time and pressure will crack any rock'.. Volaris Jul 2017 #10
We could take the 'paying for utlities' one step further.... physioex Jul 2017 #12
I don't think they have "contempt" for the "handouts" Its the visual. what neighbors see when they Sunlei Jul 2017 #11
Perhaps the concept of white trash and the need to scapegoat someone for their plight dembotoz Jul 2017 #14
I grew up in Buchanan county. X_Digger Jul 2017 #15
and what is worse is DonCoquixote Jul 2017 #16
I think those who have contempt aren't poor. DemocraticWing Jul 2017 #17
Hess owns two Jaguars per the article NickB79 Jul 2017 #20
True DonCoquixote Jul 2017 #22

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
1. "Poor but proud" is a big thing in a lot of economically depressed areas
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:13 AM
Jul 2017

and it's considered a sign of giving up and becoming shiftless to get some help feeding the kids and getting their teeth taken care of.

It's one reason I get so angry at Republican moralists who want to cut benefits. Hell, we should increase them and work on erasing the stigma of getting them. Not only does buying groceries with EIB cards feed a family, they also help keep grocery workers, truckers, warehouse workers, processors and farmers in business. It's why every dollar spent at the bottom gets magnified in effect as it travels through the economy.

Every dollar shifted to the 1% does nothing. It's offshored or otherwise hoarded away from the economy.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
3. I think depression is rampant in a lot of these folk
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 03:52 AM
Jul 2017

they've given up.......they are not getting the kind of help they really need

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,855 posts)
4. All of my life, and I will be 69 years old next month,
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:08 AM
Jul 2017

I've read story after story of people who were too good or too proud to accept help or welfare or whatever name it went by. From childhood I wanted to scream at those people, "What the Fuck??? You need help and you're turning it away??? What are you THINKING??"

As a child I sometimes went hungry, despite the fact that my parents, who'd grown up during the Great Depression, were firmly committed to making sure that we always had enough to eat. To be fair, the times of hunger more often occurred after my mother left my father, an abusive alcoholic, and moved us from northern New York State to Tucson, Arizona, in 1962. But we'd had times of scarcity before the move. After, they were almost constant. Mom was a nurse, and she knew she could get work no matter where she went, but back then nurses didn't earn very much money. She cashed in a retirement plan, which carried us through the first year. After that, it was real touch and go.

Our second year in Tucson I got a Saturday babysitting job, and the small amount of money it paid I used to buy groceries. Most of the time I asked the mom of the two girls I babysat to stop at the grocery store when she drove me home those Saturday evenings so I could buy food. She was astonished. She thought I'd be using the money for myself. I couldn't imagine doing that. We'd go hungry if I didn't buy food and cook it for us. Trust me when I say it did not feel like a sacrifice. It didn't then, and it doesn't all these years later.

No doubt we'd have been eligible for some sort of food stamps or surplus food. I don't know. My mother never looked into it, and I never really thought about it back then. But ever since then I've understood the social support system. If you need help to feed yourself or your family, you absolutely deserve it. If I don't need such help then I'm fortunate, and I NEVER begrudge you or anyone else such support. If you need it, you need it, pure and simple. And children should never go hungry.

In the time frame I've mentioned above, I got serious dental work from a (Catholic) charity clinic in my city. For years afterward, when I was working and was giving money to the United Way, I specified that my donation go to that specific charity.

For 25 years I was married I had a secure and decent income. But before that, and since my divorce, my income has been a lot less. Luckily for me I grew up and spent my early adult working life with a very limited income, so living now on a restricted budget, while never fun, is something I've done many times in my life, and can do.

If there is any reason for us to be here, I believe it is to help each other out. I've been the recipient of charity, and I truly want to pay it back and pay it forward. Currently, I do volunteer work at a local homeless shelter, preparing meals for those who come to us. I actually love to cook, truly enjoy cooking on a large scale, and feel it's the very least I can do to help those who are in need.

All of this is to come around to why I just don't get those who despise the poor, who think that various support systems are wrong (unless they are beneficiaries of the same), who demonize those who are on "Welfare" or any other support system. The truly sad thing is that most of those doing the condemning have no clue to what extent they are the recipients of these support systems.

And to extend it out, they truly haven't a clue how much corporate welfare is out there.

betsuni

(25,515 posts)
6. I've always wanted to volunteer in a homeless shelter kitchen.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:55 AM
Jul 2017

Laurie Colwin writes about it in "Home Cooking":

"Until you get the notion to volunteer, you do not know who your population is. Some people read to the blind or take deaf children to basketball games. ... I did not know until I started that my population would be chronically homeless, mentally ill women.

"Suddenly I, who fussed if more than six people came to a dinner party, was responsible for feeding lunch to ninety-nine women. Downstairs in the pantry were enormous cans of tomato paste. With Juan to help I brought up onions and spaghetti plus government-surplus Cheddar cheese. In two hours I had made two huge stockpots of tomato sauce and boiled thirty pounds of pasta. I made my mother's old-fashioned baked spaghetti. The idea is to have much more sauce than pasta and to embed the spaghetti in the sauce. You then bake it in the oven under a thick crust of cheese. I filled four steam-table trays and was vastly relieved to see that it was a hit. ... I made chili, baked beans, macaroni and cheese, baked ziti, borscht, cabbage salad, pasta salad, vegetable stew and toasted cheese. One of the ladies' favorite lunches was baked potato, cheese, salad and fruit, a nice lunch for a winter day."

brer cat

(24,564 posts)
8. It is a very humbling experience.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 08:29 AM
Jul 2017

My daughter and I worked in a kitchen that was open to anyone who needed a hot meal, and we saw a cross-section of chronic homeless and others living close to the edge. The families with children were heart-breaking. Two things I liked about this group, aside from a "no questions asked" policy, was that they were always referred to as our "guests" and were seated at tables where the volunteers served them the meals, circulating during the meal with drink refills and second helpings of food. I think that showed respect and allowed them to maintain some dignity. Any volunteers who didn't remain cheerful and respectful were relegated to kitchen duties away from the guests.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
21. Sometimes I come to DU and feel alien, and then
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 02:18 PM
Jul 2017

I find someone like you that encourages me and reminds me why I still come here. Kudos for having the guts, honesty and the eloquence that is getting rare as water in the desert.

I used to eschew help, especially since I am Hispanic, and "those sort of Puerto Ricans" were taught in school to be the reason why white people hated us, we had a duty to show we did nto need welfare. Well, when i finally did, my mother was in the office, and I remember she kept arguing with the clerk. I thought "Oh crap, she was encouraging, did she turn around of all asudden?" NO, she was shocked that despite going to college, I had earned so little money in life. She then told me later "if I had understodd, I would have had you do this years ago".

It is one thing to try and be honest, it is another to be dishonest with yourself, both about the problems you have, and the fact that the people who bray like jakasses about "tax waste" and "responsbility" will be the very first to gnaw every bit of wheat to the root, as out own trump did.

airmid

(500 posts)
5. It is so different in Appalachia in just last thirty years. There was a time when the community
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:20 AM
Jul 2017

would have gathered around these people, helped them, had benefits for them to help pay for surgery and such. But something drastic has changed throughout this country. It's depressing and sickening and I am not sure we will ever get it back. It's almost like a mental illness has made them hate anyone who is different.

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
18. I blame Ronald Reagan for that mentality.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 10:42 PM
Jul 2017

In the 1980's it was all about materialism. If you weren't a millionaire by age 25, you were (and with too many people still are) a LOSER.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
7. I read less then 5% of 'working poor' make it to middle class. depressing for them. agree with Obama
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:43 AM
Jul 2017

agree /w Obama admin. & Hillarys plan- pre-school is where to start raising up this part of our society. good nutrition, preventative health care & decent education. Obamas admin did place in policy for pre school programs-not sure if Republicans removed them or not.

I'm all for a basic salary/income/welfare/education/training for the adult population. some who have lived in poverty for generations. Any help has to be tied into directly paying for utilities, housing, food, health care without the person receiving any cash or things that can be sold on black market like food stamps.

government employees/ members of the administering state & local system who fraud these programs like the billions in medicare fraud caught by our health care system- need jail time as a deterrent to future fraud.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
10. The working poor understand that 'time and pressure will crack any rock'..
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 08:54 AM
Jul 2017

But Republicans and Pastors have them believing that gawd and wall street will swing the fucking hammer for them..that aint your rock you're breaking, buddy.

I've figured out that i don't really care that it's a government hammer I get to swing...that rock is still gonna break.

physioex

(6,890 posts)
12. We could take the 'paying for utlities' one step further....
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 09:48 AM
Jul 2017

The problem with the current situation is utilities are somewhat part of what is keeping people in poverty. I would purpose decentralizing production and moving to a cooperative model (eg. solar, wind).....

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
11. I don't think they have "contempt" for the "handouts" Its the visual. what neighbors see when they
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 09:40 AM
Jul 2017

look at their neighbors land & home.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
15. I grew up in Buchanan county.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:44 PM
Jul 2017

There is a lot of grift as well as actually hard up people. The real shame is that this used to be solidly blue, union-supporting country.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
16. and what is worse is
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 09:47 PM
Jul 2017

while there are those who got angry that unions were abandoned, there were many that frankly allowed the rich folks to trick them into letting unions and govt programs die because they did nto wnat to share them with blacks and browns. I say this as a Puerto Rican whose dad had to worry about getting beat up by these folks.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
17. I think those who have contempt aren't poor.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 10:27 PM
Jul 2017

That Hess guy sounds like a small business tyrant. He's got his, so screw everybody else. I grew up in a poorer small town, but not everyone is poor. The poverty rate in Buchanan County, VA in this article is 23.2%. I can tell you this--some of those other 77% are middle class and have the same contempt for poor people that I have seen in all middle class communities.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
22. True
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 02:19 PM
Jul 2017

amd frankly, Jaguars are not middle class cars (unless they are old and you restored them perhaps)

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