What's Schumer's phone number?

[SHRED]

We should flood his switchboard.

[boston bean]

1. He doesn't answer. I called Gillibrands office in hopes he would take her call.

[Me.]

42. They Never Answer

The call connects and he tells you one of his staff will be with you shortly and if you hold on beyond a minute they cut you off.

[Me.]

70. How FunnY I Called Her Office Too

NYC one in hope that jr. senator would tell the senior senator to shut up. They hadn't heard and were shocked. I also thanked them for answering the phone.

[crazycatlady]

2. here you go

https://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/office-locations

[R B Garr]

3. Wow, what a gift-wrapped excuse for Trump, and it has

the added poison of not even being true. Yikes, this pandering to the #!*-#^%$ is getting ridiculous.

[geek tragedy]

4. what's this about? nt

[R B Garr]

5. His nasty comments about blaming Hillary, totally negating the treasonous

sabotage against her.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/23/schumer_takes_aim_at_clinton_don_t_blame_russia_or_comey_blame_yourself.html

[Kaleva]

6. He didn't blame Hillary

[R B Garr]

8. lol, From the article title, "Blame Yourself"

"yourself" being Hillary.

[Kaleva]

14. He's talking about the Democrat Party. Note the use of the word "we".

[Eliot Rosewater]

55. Which party?

[Kaleva]

59. I'm typing from my tablet while babysitting 3 grandkids aged 2-3

[geek tragedy]

7. meh, he's right that the Democrats need to figure out what they did wrong in 2016

They do need to broaden the party's appeal, etc.

Clinton isn't a divine presence, she's the candidate who lost to Donald Trump.

At some point the party needs to move on from Hillary as well as Bill.

[m-lekktor]

9. exactly. good post. nt

[boston bean]

10. To move on from this loss, is to move on from Russian interference in our election.

Sorry, but NOPE.

For someone here to be thinking that wasn't a major factor.... wow!

[geek tragedy]

13. no one here is suggesting we ignore Russia's meddling and GOP treachery

Those must be addressed in our political system and our legal system.

At the same time, they can't be used as excuses for ignoring what our side did wrong in 2016, and how we can learn from the mistakes that were made.

And, we have to stop investing our political capital in defenses of a private citizen who is neither an active candidate nor an elected official and who will never be either of those things again.

Politics is a cold game--Hillary understands this.

[boston bean]

21. A ueah he means the loss was on Hillary and russian cannot be blamed.

Words mean something. He gave trump a hail mary. Thanks schumer.

All because he thinks hillary hasn't taken enough of the blame.

He was talking about her. And he just helped trump.

[geek tragedy]

27. Schumer, not Hillary, is the one leading the resistance to Tr*mp's agenda in Congress.

And he's doing a pretty good job of it given the fact Republicans control all three branches of government.

Hillary is a private citizen at this point, a former candidate and a former public servant.

Part of the loss does go on Hillary. Russia was a factor in it, but it's not the only reason why she lost. It shouldn't have been close enough for the Russians to put Tr*mp over the top.

[boston bean]

28. Shumer just helped trump because he thinks hillary didn't take blame.

He say hillary is to take the blame not russia or comey.

How is that helpful to anyone but trump.

Second its just garbage that it wasn't to blame.

[geek tragedy]

34. Schumer's job is to help his party win future elections.

His job is not to protect Hillary's reputation.

Democrats--in order to win back a lot of the voters who had tuned us out--need to publicly signal that we recognize we need to change as a party in order for those voters to give us a second look.

To be blunt, just like Bernie supporters needed (and in some cases still need to) get the fuck over the primary and the fact that their guy lost, those of us whose oars were in the water for Clinton need to recognize that Clinton's time on the national stage as a candidate and as an elected official is over.

The point is not that we should say "Hillary bad" or "blame Hillary" but rather figure out what she did right, what she did wrong (both in terms of commission and omission) and learn from the mistakes she made.

Saying "Russia Comey Russia Comey" every time 2016 comes up is not helpful for figuring out what Clinton and the DNC did wrong in 2016 and learning from that.

[R B Garr]

39. I don't see anyone promoting Hillary or the Clintons as much as correcting the bullshit

spread about them.

Hillary has taken plenty of blame, and to throw her out there like this is complete pandering. And not everyone can say what they think the DNC did wrong or their posts will be alerted.

[geek tragedy]

41. I don't think Clinton should take "blame" for what happened but there needs to be a fuller

accounting for her campaign's mistakes and failings, and she has not encouraged such discussions, to put it mildly.

[R B Garr]

57. Yeah, it will be impossible for her to fully discuss her campaign mistakes

because she risked alienating the people Schumer is catering to. Nice way to continue targeting her. Continue placing her in untenable situations, hence endlessly smearing Democrats to the endless benefit of the GOP

[boston bean]

51. Then he ought to stop helping out trump.

Cause whether he meant to or not that is what he did.

[geek tragedy]

54. I don't read that as helping Tr*mp so much as it is telling Democrats

that we need to focus on getting our own house in order.

This is more typical of what Schumer is saying about Russia:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/politics/chuck-schumer-interview-russia-investigation/

The Senate's top Democrat, Chuck Schumer, cautioned President Donald Trump from trying to interfere in Congress' investigations of Russian meddling into the US election last year, saying it would be "possibly criminal," and encouraged investigators to follow the "money trail."

"It's a serious investigation. They ought to follow every lead. If the White House tried to interfere, that obviously would be very, very serious and possibly criminal," the New York Democrat told CNN's Manu Raju in a wide-ranging interview Friday. "I hope they don't."

Schumer also said that he would like to hear Attorney General Jeff Sessions testify before Senate Russia investigators, and also highlighted lead Democrat on the investigation, Virginia Sen. Mark Warner.

[alarimer]

66. Oh, but pointing out the mistakes is "bashing" and we can't do that.

Because it only helps Trump.


Or something.

I'm so fed up with the refusal to admit errors. Being the "not Trump" party will only get the Democrats so far. It might work for one election cycle, but then they have to actually do something. Returning to bland centrism will be a FATAL error.

In my opinion, the FIRST thing to do is stop sucking up to the millionaire gatekeepers who decide who gets to run. Kamala Harris recently made the rounds in the Hamptons. It is the most frustrating thing to me about politics: the gobs of money thrown at candidates from people who do not have the best interests of you and me at heart. You had better believe they expect things in return.

The other thing that pisses me off about politics as usual are the consultants. Leeches who tell candidates what they should say and do because some focus group said so. These consultants/campaign managers or whatever can work for, say, Clinton one election and then turn around sell their snake oil for Theresa May or some jerk in Central America or some such. Apolitical, amoral jackasses the lot of them. They believe in nothing. They package candidates they way Don Draper would sell soap or cars. It means nothing, or at least nothing real.

But the media eats it all up. I guess because ads are paid for. If they had to provide time to politicians for free, maybe it would be different.

[boston bean]

84. How you read it isn't the issue. The fact that it helps him is the issue.

[geek tragedy]

85. It doesn't help Tr*mp

it doesn't make Mueller's investigation slow down. It doesn't make the GOP agenda any more palatable to voters or successful inside Congress.

Really a reach to say that kind of statement helps Tr*mp.

Again, Schumer is doing more than virtually any other Democrat to stop Tr*mp.

[boston bean]

88. It most certainly does.

[Kaleva]

17. Nobody is talking about moving on from the Russia investigations.

[R B Garr]

11. Figuring things out doesn't also mean completely handing your opponent

a Get Out of Jail free card. There is a national dialogue going on that he is undermining by blaming Democrats on a loss that has many tentacles besides Hillary's fault. Heck, that could be one thing that is "wrong". Accepting blame from everyone and everything.

[geek tragedy]

15. Chuck Schumer is not saying we should shrug our shoulders at the Russian-Trump collusion.

He's saying we need to get our own house in order, and stop using Russia as an excuse to avoid having a tough, painful examination of what we need to stop doing and what we need to start doing.

[R B Garr]

18. That sounds like pandering. We know what he is really saying.

We know that the GOP will twist his words to mean that Russia is a hoax investigation because the Democrats lost. Donald is already saying that.

[geek tragedy]

30. At some point, the Democrats do need to signal that they do realize that their problems

go beyond Fancy Bear. That they do recognize that their appeal has shrunk geographically to the urban archipelago in a sea of red.

Russia was not the reason we lost the House in 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016.

[R B Garr]

33. That's absurd, as a lot of that has to do with the established ebb and

flow of opposition parties.

Another part of that has to do with the outright smears that 3rd party types have perpetrated. I could post plenty of articles from all kinds of reputable sources that counter your smear, but they would be alerted.

[geek tragedy]

36. Third party types continue to be generally narcissistic dillholes.

But, they were unsuccessful in 2008 and 2016.

Structurally, the default status in the House has been that Republicans control it. GOP has won the House in 10 of the past 12 elections.

We need to fix that.

[R B Garr]

43. There were about 70,000 people spread over a few tossup states that

decided 2016. If you look at the breakdown of voter turnout, it's clear how the anti-Democrat/Clinton message being spread since 2015 had an affect.

If you keep smearing Democrats by saying they have no message and are corrupt, then it's very possible that a measly 70,000 people who want their big polluter jobs back will fall for your scam.

[geek tragedy]

47. Reminder what the margins were in those states in 2012:

Florida: Obama +75,000 votes
Iowa: Obama +91,000 votes
Michigan: Obama +449,000 votes
Ohio: Obama +166,000 votes
Pennsylvania: Obama +309,000 votes
Wisconsin: Obama +213,000 votes

In the six states that swung from Obama to Trump, Democrats had a combined margin of over 1.3 million votes.

Note that Clinton got crushed in Iowa and Ohio. Crushed.

[R B Garr]

49. I also don't recall a full on smear campaign against Obama by a

so-called "ally".

Again, only unilateral discussions are allowed, but there was a definite subtext against her husband, as well, and it was never fully explained to the voters. It was just allowed to be presented in one light and often out of context -- a polite way to put it.

[geek tragedy]

50. What 'so-called ally' attacked Clinton?

Jill Stein was just as awful under Obama, but people didn't give her a second look.

[R B Garr]

52. lol

[boston bean]

19. That means accepting russian had no. impact. Trump thanks him immemsely.

[geek tragedy]

22. No, it means stop using Russia as an excuse to ignore the very real problems

that existed before Russia interfered.

Russia was one factor in the Presidential election, yes.

But Russia isn't the reason we lost the House of Representatives in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016.

We're still seeing people arguing that all we need to do is get more urban liberals to turn out to vote. That mentality has to end.

[boston bean]

89. Using Russia as an excuse. That is what you said. My god. Pointing to Russian hacking is not an

an excuse. It is a fact!

[geek tragedy]

90. It is a fact, but it is but one of many reasons Clinton lost. Russian hackers

didn't force her to use phrases like "basket of deplorables."

[boston bean]

91. And it didn't help trump smear women and attack women, war heroes, black persons. Come on

Basket of deplorables might as well have been a compliment in the real of her opponents i sults and attacks kn almost every single brown and female person in america.

[uponit7771]

16. FUCK THAT !!! People need to face the facts of the last two week and stop trolling. Anyone at this

... point relative to the facts saying it the onus belongs to Clinton for the loss is trolling big time.

Either Russia cheated or they didn't

[geek tragedy]

20. It's not an either/or.

Both of the following are true:

1) There was Russian misfeasance and very likely Republican collusion with that misfeasance, which may have had an effect on the election outcome;

2) The Democratic Party has a whole host of misfires, structural weaknesses, and failed strategies that demand serious and painful examination--these would have been papered over and ignored had Clinton squeaked out a win, but we can't put that off anymore. We can't run a "we don't care about the votes of uneducated white men" strategy and hope to enact any kind of agenda. The numbers--especially in the House of Representatives--don't allow us that luxury.

[uponit7771]

23. The fuck it aint, you can't claim someone cheated to win & the onus of the loss belong to the loser!

... That's damn near irrational.

Cheating skews the results so there's not "could've" at all ...

Are we now changing the definition of cheating ?!

[geek tragedy]

24. To use a sports analogy, when a team loses a close game due to a bad referee call,

they don't spend their week in film and practice talking about the bad referee call. They look at what they did to defeat themselves and work to correct that.

It's not about blame, it's about improving.

[uponit7771]

25. Bad ref calls are factored in the game cheating is not, please with the excuses for Clinton bashing.

One or two bad ref calls goes with the territory but gimping an opponent during the whole game is not at all.

This was NOT a close election relative to the facts, we don't know WHAT it was seeing there was cheating going on

[geek tragedy]

31. Yes or No: Does the Democratic Party need to figure out how to better appeal to voters

outside of urban areas in order to win back the House of Representatives?

[uponit7771]

32. No, not with pop vote smashing GOP took ... go with what Clinton did for the most part

... everything else is cheating including the VS in the VS states that was she up in but then flipped 2 - 5% points in hours.

Awe hell naw, either Russia help the Trump Crime Organization cheat or they didn't.

After the cheating there's no analysis because the data is too skewed ... there's no "... we could've ... " cause we don't know.

[geek tragedy]

40. Clinton ran on a strategy of mobilizing the base in urban areas in order

to run up the score in statewide counts.

She never really had a strategy for Democrats retaking the House. Not really her job technically, but the party really hasn't had a plan to retake the House since 2010.

[uponit7771]

45. Which COULD'VE worked without the cheating !!!! What about that do people not understand !?!?

... its cheating, you cut the tires on someones car or run with tires from another country then its cheating !!!

There's no could've would've should've ... the data is too skewed.

[geek tragedy]

46. It may or may not have worked, but it's not a very good strategy.

It pretty much concedes the House to the Republicans for one thing.

For another, it's playing defense--the equivalent of retreating to within the castle walls.

[uponit7771]

48. Great, we agree on that one point that it may or may not have worked and that neither of us know

... because of the cheating which makes the point moot at best.

I don't know if it was a good strategy, and neither do you, because the Trump Crime Organization cheated ...

To logic behind concluding either way states the cheating was NOT a factor and we know it was.

[R B Garr]

26. Then why bring Hillary into it? If it's over and done, why drag her into it.

She has every right to talk about an UNPRECEDENTED attack on our Democracy that blatantly targeted her. It's a national dialogue about cyber security and election hacking. She was the target. How can she and why should she ignore it?

The "misfires" are also like this one, where the Democrats don't fight back with a unified voice against constant smears. The irony is that the folks Schumer is pandering to want him gone.

[uponit7771]

29. RIGHT !!! and if the Trump Crime Organization didn't bring in Russia those "misfires" could've been

... overcome.

We don't know what the results would've been because Russia was involved in some way ... I don't understand the "... Clinton could've ... " narrative.

[YOHABLO]

35. Well it's unfortunate that one of the major parties has become completely criminal.

[Eliot Rosewater]

56. How do you "fix" winning by 3 million votes and voter suppression if you dont have the power

to stop it and hacking voting machines by our enemy, the GOP and Russia?

[geek tragedy]

68. Clinton badly underperformed Obama in Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin

Maybe start by looking at the campaign he ran, and his instincts, compared to what she did.

[Eliot Rosewater]

74. I would respond but will get banned if I do. You apparently are immune to that, while

you attack Hillary.

I am not surprised.

[geek tragedy]

75. I was a vocal supporter of Clinton during the primary.

But she lost, and she's not been very good at actually taking responsibility for what she and her team did wrong in the campaign.

[MrsCoffee]

86. Oh my goodness, so much denial.

You seem very intent on convincing people to leave Russia out of the equation.

[geek tragedy]

87. Welcome to DU.

https://www.google.com/search?q=geek+tragedy+russia&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com#q=geek+tragedy+russia+trump+site:democraticunderground.com&spf=1500940603658

[MrsCoffee]

92. Thank you.

But I'm not sure what that link has to do with your posts in this thread. You are pushing back against anyone in this thread talking about the hacking of our election.

She actually won the election and the popular vote. That is completely obvious to most people in this country. They get that it was stolen. To look back at the 2016 party platform and say that Hillary or the party sucked is just ridiculous. To ignore the cheating and hacking is even more ridiculous. You can't give a real performance evaluation based on bullshit data from unverifiable election results.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

63. !!!!!!

[Dem2]

67. Agreed

[vi5]

12. But Schumer votes with Dems over 90% of the time!!

I thought we weren't supposed to attack Dems?

Isn't that what I'm hearing on here day in and day out?

[Eliot Rosewater]

58. Who is being attacked that you are complaining about?

[vi5]

64. I'm being snarky....

..Day in and day out we hear on this board that we should "Never attack Dems!" and how criticism of Democrats in any form is undermining our common cause or whatever other claptrap. Or how we can't bitch about Joe Manchin or any other conservadems because "they vote with us 75% of the time!!!!"

So now Schumer the head Democrat in the Senat says something completely innocuous and reasonable and he's being bitched about and complained about and criticized on here for the past couple days.


In short, what the people who keep saying "Don't attack Dems!" mean by that is "Don't say anything bad about Hillary Clinton!!"

[Eliot Rosewater]

73. If you havent learned anything from last year, there is no hope.

[vi5]

78. So is it o.k. to criticize Dems or not?

I'm confused because that's the lesson I've been told I need to learn.

But then one week I'm told criticizing any Dems is a bad thing and that anyone who does it in any way supports Trump and Russia.

But then this week people (many of them the same people) are criticizing essentially the highest elected office Democrat.

So.....which is it?

[Eliot Rosewater]

80. GOP loves this.

[Me.]

37. Fed Up

Can never get a call answered, they just hang up on you at any of Schumer's (my senator) offices. I called 3 times today. Secondly, how dare he criticize her, did he forget the three million more votes, or maybe he wants to see her on her knees begging his forgiveness? Perhaps the candidate he preferred was Senator Sanders.

[bearsfootball516]

38. There's no doubt

That Russian interference hurt.

BUT

It wouldn't have mattered had the Democrats been stronger. The truth is, many of the blue collar voters who voted for Obama felt like they had been abandoned, and so they went for the one person who made them feel like they weren't forgotten.

I read a story the other day about a Michigan factory worker last year who went to the local Democrat headquarters because he wanted a Hillary yard sign. They told him that studies show yard signs aren't effective means of campaigning, and so they didn't have any for him. He left and never came back. For all we know, maybe he stayed home on election day because he was unenthusiastic after that. Felt forgotten about.

That's the problem the current party has to combat. They have to let disenfranchised voters know that they aren't forgotten about.

[geek tragedy]

44. Why are people calling Schumer to complain about what he said about Hillary rather

than calling fence-sitting GOP members regarding Trumpcare?

Effed-up priorities.

[R B Garr]

60. Because he is handing them excuses and smears against Democrats.

That's why!

[geek tragedy]

62. not really. he's saying Democrats need to improve our game, which we do nt

[SHRED]

65. Why not express this privately?

Why big public statements?

[geek tragedy]

69. because that's how things are supposed to work in a democracy?

[R B Garr]

71. Handing your opponent a gift-wrapped smear that exonerates him is

hardly improving your game. Sanctions against Russia are a real thing being voted on right now. Talk about that, for cripes sake.

[geek tragedy]

72. Schumer isn't exonerating Tr*mp--he's saying the Democrats lost for a lot of reasons

and that Russia was only one of them. And that a lot of those reasons are (1) self-inflicted but (2) fixable.

Hillary, to be blunt, has not been very helpful in examining what we--including she--did wrong in 2016. Saying "of course I take responsibility" doesn't mean anything unless it's accompanied by some kind of delving into what was done wrong.

Saying "of course I take responsibility but my mistakes aren't why we lost" is obfuscatory horse puckey.

She even threw the DNC data team under the bus.

Did people really think that sat well with those who are trying to rebuild the party--"it's not my fault I didn't win, but boy oh boy that DNC data team really let me down."

[R B Garr]

79. Hillary's comments about the DNC were from a talk and in the context of

comparing the DNC and RNC where she stated that the RNC is a better funded resource for the GOP. It wasn't just some random comments where she was "blaming" anyone. I'm sure the RNC likes it that the Democrats can't compete with them on even that level.

This is one reason that no matter what Hillary says, it doesn't matter because people take it out of context.

And, again, she can't really go into other reasons about her loss because it will alienate people. So she is again placed in an untenable situation.

BTW, Bill Clinton still has a very decent approval rating with mainstream Democrats, so attacking him through Hillary was not necessary.

[geek tragedy]

81. she threw the DNC's data team under the bus.

They were pissed.

Here's the excuse-making quotes:

Let me just do a comparison for you. I set up my campaign and we have our own data operation. I get the nomination. So I’m now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party.

Mossberg: What do you mean nothing?


I mean it was bankrupt, it was on the verge of insolvency, its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong. I had to inject money into it ...

Mossberg: This is the DNC you’re talking about.

The DNC, to keep it going.

Hillary's idea of holding herself accountable:

I take responsibility for every decision I made, but that’s not why I lost.

[R B Garr]

82. There was more to it than that. In that article*, an RNC spokesperson

agreed with what she said that the RNC is a superior outfit. What's wrong with wanting Democrats to have superior resources? It's funny that no one cares about the DNC until Hillary happens to mention it.

Why does she have to take responsibility for Russian interference. For Comey's agenda? There was lots of evidence about Russian meddling, but Comey only attacked her emails. So she was right.


*it might not be that article; I couldn't look through it cuz on my way out door. So you can have the last word -- gotta go.

[geek tragedy]

83. not the DNC data team's fault she skipped Wisconsin and Michigan nt

[kcdoug1]

53. Me. Shummer is right!!!'

We've LOST 33 statehouses. We've LOST THE HOUSE,Senate AND the Whitehouse, Its called reality.

[elehhhhna]

61. 1 800 fuckwit?

[Bleacher Creature]

76. 867-5309. NT

[MFM008]

77. You beat me