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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:10 PM Jul 2017

So here is "the good news"

Lisa Murkowski stuck with Collins. That eliminates any margin of error for the Republicans on repeal. Refusing to even allow debate makes them rather firm No's. Other Republicans on both the far right and in the center right can now use their generic "Yes" votes as political cover. By keeping debate alive they can each now vote for their favorite version of repeal/replace during the amendment phase - and potentially vote against all others. Then they can go home saying that they supported something

But if they lose just one more senator on Version A, and a different one on Version B, and so forth, no version will get 50 votes. It is still hard to see what version can win the support of every single Senator who voted to allow debate to precede just now, given their own differences and the differing prevailing politics back in their home states. This could still be only political gamesmanship, posing for differing constitutes back home, rather than actually legislating.

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So here is "the good news" (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 OP
Unfortunately for us, the old saying that "Democrats fall COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #1
Yes. So far anyway. And that is their well worn tradition... Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #5
Thank You for the update...Yes, just one more..and we will see if there is one more.. Stuart G Jul 2017 #2
Josh Barro agrees with you. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2017 #3
This makes sense RedSpartan Jul 2017 #9
Agreed. I am cautiously optimistic. Nt BootinUp Jul 2017 #4
i guess we'll find out barbtries Jul 2017 #6
Yeah also cautiously optimistic. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #7
Or they will just repeal without any plan to replace IronLionZion Jul 2017 #8
I think that would lose at least Capito from West Virginia Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #12
Brooking Institute sent them plans IronLionZion Jul 2017 #14
The bigger "good news" is BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #10
she will need her for the duel. grantcart Jul 2017 #11
Touche! LOL n/t Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #13
thank you for giving me something to cling to for the time being diva77 Jul 2017 #15
Cory Gardner's approval rating in Co dropped below 30% mountain grammy Jul 2017 #16

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
1. Unfortunately for us, the old saying that "Democrats fall
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:13 PM
Jul 2017

in love while Republicans fall in line" is once again proving to be true.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
5. Yes. So far anyway. And that is their well worn tradition...
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:18 PM
Jul 2017

But it only takes one more defector per version to kill this. And that person or those persons would still be able to then go home saying that they approved of a version of repeal and replace (while opposing some others).

RedSpartan

(1,693 posts)
9. This makes sense
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jul 2017

and would be a good move by McConnell to protect the GOP Senators. Best case for him, they can pass something. Worst case, they can't, but his Senators have political cover going into 2018.

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
6. i guess we'll find out
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:50 PM
Jul 2017

it's unconscionable what they're doing to the country. but republicans are absent souls.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
8. Or they will just repeal without any plan to replace
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 06:24 PM
Jul 2017

and let the hate radio/Fox spin it into how Democratic socialism killed millions of people in the ensuing chaos. They will find a way to blame Obama and us for booting people off their plans.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
12. I think that would lose at least Capito from West Virginia
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 06:42 PM
Jul 2017

and likely at least one other (so neither can be singled out as the person who killed the bill). Some repeal/replace option is more likely to win 50 votes in my opinion.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
14. Brooking Institute sent them plans
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jul 2017

where they can amend the unpopular parts of the ACA and claim victory over us while keeping the important stuff that most everyone likes. But they said no of course.

BumRushDaShow

(128,911 posts)
10. The bigger "good news" is
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 06:32 PM
Jul 2017

that ALL the Democrats (and both indies who caucus with Dems) stood firm to oppose moving forward. There are the usual suspects on our side who could have flexed their red-state street cred figuring that Rs might get enough to move forward with Pence so it wouldn't make any difference for them to vote "yes" to allow the debate, but they DIDN'T. They forced the tie.

I listened to the roll call after all the Rs voted and heard every D & I vote "no" for proceeding. If anything, that was something significant.

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