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For perhaps the last time, John McCain has defended this country. (Original Post) Ken Burch Jul 2017 OP
He made the right choice this time... Pachamama Jul 2017 #1
Still watching repeats of it. Feels so satisfying. McConnell bully with arms crossed and glaring. George Eliot Jul 2017 #2
Lisa and Susan. No drama queen speeches... Guilded Lilly Jul 2017 #3
I think so too, but it took all three. nt yonder Jul 2017 #4
:) Holding judgment while we see what McCain will do Hortensis Jul 2017 #12
I knew he was not flying back to fuck us over elehhhhna Jul 2017 #5
When I went to bed, there was no hope, ACA was all but dead. NightWatcher Jul 2017 #6
I have to say it mainstreetonce Jul 2017 #7
I was disappointed too. McCain played it smart, allowing ebate, voting yes and then killing it. TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #11
Becoming all too common. nt 7962 Jul 2017 #13
Same here. nocalflea Jul 2017 #14
I felt the same. Some folks here were very quick to jump to negative conclusions that were not stevenleser Jul 2017 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Equinox Moon Jul 2017 #8
Hooray!!! haveahart Jul 2017 #9
Don't have to say it, but will: Oh, brother! Hortensis Jul 2017 #10
I'm with you on this one. pangaia Jul 2017 #15
Sorry for yours also. Hope it turns out to "had" permanently. Hortensis Jul 2017 #17
And just how did he vote in 2010? LOL!!! pangaia Jul 2017 #18
Yes. Not so LOL. Lying, scheming betrayers. Hortensis Jul 2017 #21
Thank you. MrsCoffee Jul 2017 #22
Doing the right thing isn't heroic Johnny2X2X Jul 2017 #16
Adults SHOULD act like adults.... pangaia Jul 2017 #23
Nothing courageous about it at all. pangaia Jul 2017 #19

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
1. He made the right choice this time...
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 04:54 AM
Jul 2017

so millions could live another day....

But the fight doesn't end and I don't believe for a moment that John McCain is different or that he won't disappoint in the future.

But good prevailed yesterday...and we need to know that the fight continues....

George Eliot

(701 posts)
2. Still watching repeats of it. Feels so satisfying. McConnell bully with arms crossed and glaring.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:09 AM
Jul 2017

I sent McCain an email - got the idea from this blog - along with a lot of other people I'm sure. I was pretty sarcastic but now a little sorry. Don't know if I'm happier that the bill went down or that I got to see someone finally poke McConnell in the face. Thank you, John McCain and Lisa and Susan.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. :) Holding judgment while we see what McCain will do
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:19 AM
Jul 2017

with the special stature and attention his critical illness has created. Perhaps he does not want his legacy to be only the story his participation in the increasing extremism and betrayal of the electorate, and even democracy itself, of his party.

A little reminder: This standard but absolutely massive, insulting lie to all Americans is from 2009 during 14 MONTHS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS reporting the progress on and form of development of the ACA. During this period, Republicans studied the bill and were able to suggest and have accepted over 150 formal amendments and another 50 or so informal adjustments to the ACA.




After leading Democrats on by shamefully pretending he would vote for the ACA, McCain voted against.
 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
5. I knew he was not flying back to fuck us over
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:46 AM
Jul 2017


I knew it.

Just woke up to this and crying now

God bless that crusty coot. He got this right.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. When I went to bed, there was no hope, ACA was all but dead.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:48 AM
Jul 2017

Now I wake to see/hear that McCain did the right thing for millions of Americans and shot it down?

But don't get too excited, I did take a pill to help me sleep and this may just be a very realistic dream. Damn these drugs are good.

Thank you John, sorry I talked shit about you, but to be fair, you usually vote with McTurtle and screw us.

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
7. I have to say it
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:35 AM
Jul 2017

I had to stop reading here for a bit a few days ago when there were people wishing quick death and a place in hell for an American hero.
There are posters here who should be very ashamed.

TheBlackAdder

(28,235 posts)
11. I was disappointed too. McCain played it smart, allowing ebate, voting yes and then killing it.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:14 AM
Jul 2017

.

McCain put an end to the bullshit by allowing the vote to hit the floor for debate.

He voted yes on the version that was destined to fail, then killing off the close one.


Trump and the other Republicans were blindsided, as the rest of us. He played it well.

.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. I felt the same. Some folks here were very quick to jump to negative conclusions that were not
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 09:30 AM
Jul 2017

warranted when you read what he was actually saying.

Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Don't have to say it, but will: Oh, brother!
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:11 AM
Jul 2017

Yes, McCain flew back and voted the moral DIRECTION. Otherwise, hardly heroic. He joined a group of others who voted no to the most baldy anti-citizen, incredibly bad bill of our lifetimes.

It's also hardly highly moral. This stand against the extremism that's taken over the Republican leadership is 30 YEARS LATE. On many critical votes he's put keeping his elite position over his duty to his constituents and his nation.

He would have voted to replace the ACA with a seriously inferior bill that shifted taxpayer dollars meant for patient care to the very wealthy, one pubs could be fooled into believing was needed.

Just not one so incredibly, shockingly corrupt and murderous that almost everyone in the nation knows it.

McCain, as a top Republican leader who is gravely ill, now has special standing. Let's see what he is able and willing to do with it. Meanwhile, I'll hold my cheers for this not-the-worst Republican.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
15. I'm with you on this one.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:51 AM
Jul 2017

Doing what is so fucking obviously right and EASY is not being heroic.

Anybody who is not a self-centered, selfish shit would have voted against it.

And what is interesting is how often in his life he DOES seem to have acted like a self-centered, selfish shit.

Both in his military career and as a politician.
So.. this time he came down on the right side. Who could have known?

I 'had' cancer. Sorry for his cancer.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Sorry for yours also. Hope it turns out to "had" permanently.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 08:40 AM
Jul 2017

This is from 2009, but McCain has been a top insurance company agent during the entire period insurance became obsolete as a delivery system for healthcare -- and after.

Washington Post:

Health insurers and their employees contributed $2.2 million to the top 10 recipients in the House and Senate since 2005, while drug makers and their employees gave more than $3.3 million to top lawmakers during that period, according to an analysis of federal elections data by Consumer Watchdog, a California-based advocacy group.

The biggest beneficiaries in the Senate included John McCain (R-Ariz.), with $546,000; Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), with $425,000; and Max Baucus (D-Mont.), with $413,000, who as head of the Finance Committee will play a leading role in the debate over health-care reform.


Consumer Watchdog on the same subject at the same time:
"When a key player in health reform has taken more money from health insurers and drug companies than any other member of Congress save one, he has to go the extra mile to prove that industry money hasn’t bought the debate," said Carmen Balber, Washington director for Consumer Watchdog.


Our healthcare heroes are all Democrats, and some independents allied with the Democratic Party.

Johnny2X2X

(19,213 posts)
16. Doing the right thing isn't heroic
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:54 AM
Jul 2017

It's not that he did the right thing that's a big deal. 50 other Senators did the right thing too. It's that he voted this way knowing he woood gave more scrutiny and hostility from his own party than any of the other 50 that's a big deal. McCain told Trump to eff off one final time. He acted like an adult.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
23. Adults SHOULD act like adults....
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 12:30 PM
Jul 2017

Has the bar been lowered so far that when someone acts like a grown adult it gets noticed?


Not raggin' on you, Johnny.. just the whole damn attitude.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
19. Nothing courageous about it at all.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 08:46 AM
Jul 2017

What are they going to do to him.. ?

I do not believe it had anything to do with 'country.' As far as I can tell, it never did before either.

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