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http://www.newsweek.com/total-solar-eclipse-trump-astrology-prediction-643776This is an article from Newsweek. I have never really placed a lot of faith in astrology before, but I thought it was interesting. At least it made me feel hopeful.
"Donald Trumps presidency was written in the starsat least thats what astrologers are saying. He was born during a lunar eclipse, they point out, which makes him more susceptible to the power of eclipses. And if eclipses are monumental celestial events with real-world consequences, as astrologers believe, then the rare total solar eclipse happening in August could have major implications for Trump, especially given the growing drama around his administration.
Theres been a lot of conversation about this eclipse in terms of whats going on with Donald Trump, says Wade Caves, an astrological consultant who earlier in July published a 29-page analysis of the coming eclipse. The astrological world has been completely buzzing with this for quite some time, even more so since Donald Trump was inaugurated.
"...In February, DeLeo-Moolenaar wrote on her blog Archetypal Assets that she finds it significant how the eclipse will involve Uranus, according to astrological charts. That planet, she wrote, disrupts everything that it touches. It is a lightning bolt from the blue. Serious change in any direction and on a major scale. And because Uranus will make close aspects to Mr. Trumps natal Mars, she wrote, this will be a power surgeprovoking a crisis of some sort. Whether for good or evil, we cant know in advance.
Marjorie Orr, another astrologer, pointed out last November, just four days after the election, that the August eclipse is part of what space scientists know as the Saros series, which has included eclipses in 1909, 1927, 1945, 1963, 1981 and 1999. Orr noted the major political events in those years: the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan, the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the death of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a period of unrest in Chicago that involved bombings and an attempted assassination of President William Taft. Usually this series places strains on personal relationships, induces hasty decisions on the basis of false information and is associated with tiredness or health problems, she wrote. Certainly this eclipse presages violence in one form or another.
The astrology blogger Eugene Johnson predicted in April: This eclipse by itself does not suggest that the U.S. is in immediate peril for war, but it alerts us to be prepared for some kind of significant, perhaps shattering, event here in America. Johnson noted that the chart for the eclipse will involve Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto and Neptune. I can safely say that this eclipse series will mark important developments on the world stage because of the high preponderance of outer planets involved, he added.
Caves has published perhaps the most thorough analysis. He wrote that the position of the eclipse in relation to the star Al Jabhah traditionally brings loss and danger, and that when it involves a military officeror presidentit suggests the possibility of mutiny by soldiers.
Caves singled out certain dates that could prove significant: October 10, November 21, November 26 and December 17 through 19. Its possible that there will be a sudden health issue that lands on Trumps shoulders, pulling him out of the Oval. Its also quite reasonable to suspect ousting, either through official channels (i.e. impeachment) or a mutiny behind closed doors, he wrote. What we can say with reasonable assurance is that these charts, when properly considered, make it difficult to imagine Trump has smooth sailing ahead.
Does anyone here have an interest in astrology? What do you think?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Did you read the article? It's pretty interesting.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Chemisse
(30,811 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)triron
(22,003 posts)Towlie
(5,324 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)They should be available for free to anybody. I watched one in my first year engineering level physics class. (It had calculus as a pre-requisite.)
triron
(22,003 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Looking at these two photos, it's obviously the same guy, but I had never seen pix of him before his hippie-ish days.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Will need to find time to check out more of him on video.
Not that I am even close to being an exception to his rule that no one understands Quantum physics. Hell, I barely passed high school calculus. Still, I enjoyed Surely You're Joking, and some of his articles over the years.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)drray23
(7,629 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Working on joke... so difficult to put it all together...
Towlie
(5,324 posts)DK504
(3,847 posts)" .. the eclipse will involve Uranus ... "
You can't make this up!!!!!!
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)will eclipse whatever you pull out of uranus.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Answer: Both involve areas where the sun don't shine!
I know, you were almost there with this one!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The eclipse happens no matter who is in office or what is going on.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I was talking to the morons who believe this shit.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)article. Apparently Newsweek though it worthy enough to print. But it will be interesting to see how things pan out.
tblue37
(65,353 posts)enough for them to print it.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)whats it like to be able to decide who is a moron based on whether they share your beliefs? Must feel pretty powerful.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)This isn't a "belief." Eclipses are the results of physics and time. They happen regardless of what events occur on Earth. That's just a fact.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I think it's HIIIIIIGHLY UN-likely, mind you ... but if there were anything 'to it', the eclipse itself would have to be 'causal', not the other way 'round.
I.E. to assert that eclipses happen in order to co-incide with pre-determined events ... would display (what I'd call) unimaginable stupidity.
To suggest 'maybe they do have some unknown effect(s)' on life or events on Planet Earth ... is not 100% cray ... only like maybe 99.95% cray.
After all, the moon plays a huge roll in our tides ... which is an idea that, at one point in our history ... probably sounded pretty cray.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I'd like to see some evidence that that there is an actual correlation of events... complete with controls (comparing such rates to non-eclipse times).
And yes, the moon does affect our tides, through gravity. Even a correlation were actually found, I'd be interested in the proposed mechanism.
rickford66
(5,523 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If you were having a conversation with someone who believes the earth is flat, then would you "know everything" to suggest that their belief is wrong?
Yes, someone who believes the earth is flat is wrong. It is not a matter of "belief".
The earth is not flat, no matter how strongly one may believe it, and it does not require omniscience to know that.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)There are significant world events every year whether or not there's an eclipse. Therefore, if you pick out all the eclipse years, you can "discover" that each one correlated with something major.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)... and assume it might not work out great for him.
BigmanPigman
(51,591 posts)which means he has two personalities (crazy and crazier). Usually the moon has to do with the water signs (cancer, scorpio, pisces) and that influences a person's emotions. I don't know anything about eclipses and how they effect a person but he is so nuts already who the hell knows how it'll effect him. Maybe it will have the opposite effect and make him thoughtful, stable, rational and calm.
DBoon
(22,366 posts)does that explain the pee tape?
BigmanPigman
(51,591 posts)especially Scorpios. So that doesn't apply to him.
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tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I can honestly say I've never been over sexed but I always tried.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)He's on his own
Proud gemini..bookmarking thread...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Is that correct?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Surprised Newsweek would put it out there.
But nothing surprises me anymore.
eShirl
(18,491 posts)I think that's what the stars are trying to tell us.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)rzemanfl
(29,557 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)fierywoman
(7,683 posts)Astrology is not a belief system, it is a phenomenon. "
Go to www.starlightnews.com for smart mundane astrology.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)Trump is about to crash so the probabilities are higher now and therefore easier to call some astrological event the cause. It just happens to be an eclipse. Look at history and you will find all sorts of political events in years when there are not any eclipses but you may find all sorts of astronomical events that can be tagged as the cause. It's a game as old as humankind.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Apparently the eclipse is a very big thing astrologically speaking. Also predictions that something cataclysmic will occur around the eclipse. I have no clue, but will be interesting to see wat unfolds. I would never condem out of hand something I know nothing about.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)What else would you expect me to say? I also would say that I would never intentionally condem out of hand something I know nothing about. It works both ways.
I don't mean to offend and will respect your right to believe as you will but it doesn't mean I accept it as a legitimate science. I find no evidence.
fierywoman
(7,683 posts)a good 8 or 10 years ago. Google the astrologer Bill Herbst. What makes this eclipse so fascinating to astrologers is that Trump's chart is so closely aligned with the upcoming eclipses, particularly the second AND that one of the eclipses affects the US directly, which is rare.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I mean, it's just physics... celestial objects orbiting in predictable patterns.
How can that be any kind of omen? It's not like a solar flare or sunspot that we don't understand well enough to actually predict with phenomenal accuracy.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)And yeah, it's physics and all that. Astronomy too.
That doesn't mean it can't simultaneously carry other implications or meanings.
For millennia, eclipses have always accompanied dire circumstances to the country(ies) they crossed over, and very often a change in power to whoever ruled the country. It's not an "omen," it's an historical fact.
Those things don't happen on the day of the eclipse, but usually sometime within the next 6 months to a year. "From eclipse to eclipse" I've heard, though other astrologers speak of the duration differently, I think. The triggers to those events are transits over the point of the eclipse. IOW, the chart drawn for the time of the eclipse gets activated by the movement of planets through the weeks and months after the eclipse.
This particular eclipse hits Donald's Ascendant (a very sensitive point) and Mars directly -- very, very close as in "right on top," which matters in astrology -- a transit to a natal planet loses strength the farther away it is. This is right on top! He WILL be impacted. Bigly. We just don't know how, though those who are better versed in the field of mundane astrology would have a better clue and also its impact on the nation as a whole because it will also affect the whole country, and will probably include other events that are difficult to catastrophic. I'm personally a little worried about the North Korea issue, especially since Donald's natal Mars connects with North Korea in a very dramatic way.
You don't have to believe it. Nobody cares if you do or don't. So I hope you'll return the favor and not give another thought to those who do, eh? It's just interesting and useful to some of us, that's all.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)we really do live in a demon-haunted word. It's so frustrating.
I keep hoping humanity will crawl out of superstition, but we never do...
bedazzled
(1,761 posts)their universe is so much smaller. did you ever see scrotus' birth chart? it's creepy ... practically all the signs are on the left side.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)I don't worry about it any more.
That's in THEIR charts too.
eShirl
(18,491 posts)But why would it?
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)And why does 2+2= 4? And the universe expand? And water freeze at 32 degrees? but not 33? And why are some plants not bothered by that but others die? And why do some smokers get lung cancer and not others? Etc., etc.
So many questions!
malaise
(268,998 posts)LUNATIC?
Wish I believed in astrology
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But he is crazy all the time, which I think makes him more of maniac.
malaise
(268,998 posts)lunar eclipse
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Did a great paper on it, got me kicked out of Religious Education classes in school...was told that I did not take the subject matter seriously..
Didnt Nancy Regan factor it into Ronnie's reign?
Well tell me what's coming for the Con
Homer Wells
(1,576 posts)If he makes a statement to his base, maybe a week before the event, that he is personally going to make the sun go dark, and some of his followers actually believe him.
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, tornadoes, drought, and meteor strikes?
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)the moon and sun line up in such a way that the moon blocks the sun from our view wholely or partially.
Vinca
(50,271 posts)to dance naked on the lawn during the eclipse while singing show tunes. Anything.
jrthin
(4,836 posts)it means I'd wake up and he no longer occupies the WH.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Cops and ER people have been known to say the full moon really does bring out more craziness. So maybe an eclipse can affect orange idiots
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)explain that, Nostradamus
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Seriously, back about 50 years ago, when I was a teenager, I took astrology very seriously. Seriously enough to study it in depth and learn all the deep and arcane mathematics of reading the ephemerides and casting charts, computing houses by various and assorted different systems of house division. In other words, I went WAY beyond glancing at the horoscopes in the newspaper, and delved deeply into all the convoluted details.
After testing it rigorously for 3 or 4 years, I came to the unshakable conclusion that it is pure B.S. dressed up in a false cloak of "deeply arcane ancient knowledge". I don't believe in just dismissing something out of hand without putting it to the test, so I put it to the test, and it failed miserably. (And I soooo badly wanted it to be true. Oh well, can't win them all.)
The same for UFOs, which I dug pretty deeply into as a teen and also concluded, sadly, that it's almost certainly nonsense.
The jury is still out on Bigfoot. I suppose it's possible, but I consider it unlikely enough that I won't waste any of my own time trying to find out. And frankly, even if Bigfoot is real, so what? I'm sure some primatologists would get excited about it, but me, personally, I just don't care one way or the other.
ESP? Well, I'm on the fence due to some personal experiences that I'd be hard pressed to explain. That doesn't mean I'm a "believer", but it also makes it hard for me to be a hard-and-fast "non-believer". I'll just mark that one as improbable, but not entirely close my mind to the possibility. As for self-proclaimed "psychics", my personal investigations have led me to be convinced that they are ALL frauds, without exception.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)UFO's and Bigfoot - I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp. We spent some time on the Olympic Peninsula a few weeks back and I was in a little shop that had local Native American artwork. One postcard had a lovely painting of a highly stylized Sasquatch on it. I read the back and it said that Sasquatch are supernatural beings and protectors of the forest. Which would probably explain why no one can see or find them, right?
As for the rest... astrology is entertaining and I don't think it was ever meant to be taken seriously. You can look back at any event and find coincidences and corresponding celestial events.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)a hopeful article. It might just be a bunch of crap, but part of me hopes it's true.
lindysalsagal
(20,684 posts)I'll give a crap what they say about politics.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)Spirituality & Alternative Healing group:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1220
It's one of the 'safe' areas set up by the DU admin. Ancient Wisdom & Pagan Spirituality would probably be okay too.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)when it met with your expectations.
Personally I find all sorts of things interesting and for a variety of reasons... this is one of them. If I have no interest, the back button and I are very good friends.
Sienna86
(2,149 posts)mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)and if he drops dead on eclipse day, that'll be all I need to embrace astrology as my new faith.
rickford66
(5,523 posts)Blue Owl
(50,373 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)Even an alien abduction!!
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)drray23
(7,629 posts)is that Trump is a disaster for us.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)and stay away from any hocus pocus stuff.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Turbineguy
(37,329 posts)As a four-year old who can tie his shoes would say: "I can do it by myself!"