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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:00 AM Dec 2011

Thomas Frank: How the Right Wing Hijacked Rage Over the Economic Collapse and Swindled America

http://www.alternet.org/story/153593/thomas_frank%3A_how_the_right_wing_hijacked_rage_over_the_economic_collapse_and_swindled_america/

December 28, 2011 |

In his new book, “Pity the Billionaire,” Tom Frank turns his mordant eye on the unlikeliest political development of the Obama presidency: how the crash of 2008 served to strengthen the political right. The deregulation of Wall Street, championed for 30 years by right-wing leaders, had led to an economic catastrophe so frightening that the country elected a liberal Democrat to the presidency. Yet two years later, the most conservative faction of the Republican Party, the Tea Party, had taken effective control of the House of Representatives, the regulation of Wall Street had stalled, and the champions of economic deregulation in Washington had emerged stronger than ever.

Frank, author of the bestselling book “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” provides a pithy and nuanced explanation of what he calls the “hard-times swindle.” He spoke with Salon from his father’s home in Kansas City, Mo.

Early in the book, you describe the moment in the spring of 2009 when free-market economics had been so thoroughly discredited that Newsweek could run a cover story proclaiming, “We’re all socialists now.” What happened? Why did that moment dissipate?
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Thomas Frank: How the Right Wing Hijacked Rage Over the Economic Collapse and Swindled America (Original Post) xchrom Dec 2011 OP
Thanks for that find! pnorman Dec 2011 #1
Um.. Obama was NEVER a liberal Democrat... ananda Dec 2011 #2
Frank knows this getdown Dec 2011 #4
Frank touches on the real problem, but seems scared to proceed: Romulox Dec 2011 #6
excuse? getdown Dec 2011 #9
Read the entire interview, if you haven't. It ends with far less focus than it begins, Romulox Dec 2011 #10
seems he made the point getdown Dec 2011 #16
You literally pulled out the piece I did. I copied it to post here and then was reading the thread riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #27
This x 1000. Liberal "leaders" are mostly of the 1%. closeupready Dec 2011 #29
america is full of idiots who deny the obvious while falling for any myth. KG Dec 2011 #3
america is full getdown Dec 2011 #17
The Deregulation of finance was championed by Bill Clinton. Facts matter. Romulox Dec 2011 #5
Excellent read! kentuck Dec 2011 #7
Had Dems understood and/or been honest about the situation this effect may have been smaller cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #8
Gotta agree, Cthulu--not only did we not make a case for honest economics, we didn't even TRY to Nay Dec 2011 #11
...and the few that did (see progressive caucus budget) were ignored by the establishment. Huey P. Long Dec 2011 #13
Or are simply afraid cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #14
and if Dems had tried to getdown Dec 2011 #18
Totally agree. Excellent post. -n/t Zenlitened Dec 2011 #21
occupy. -eom Huey P. Long Dec 2011 #12
excellent piece thanks for posting getdown Dec 2011 #15
Who called Obama "a liberal Democrat?" The far right? The MSM? Tom Frank? The author of AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #19
u seem to be attacking Frank getdown Dec 2011 #22
Your perception that there was an attack upon Frank is wrong. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #23
2 wrds getdown Dec 2011 #24
Question: How can you tell when this arrogant, obese, convicted felon is lying? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #25
he's led the campaign getdown Dec 2011 #26
A must-read. Zenlitened Dec 2011 #20
true.. kentuck Dec 2011 #28
Kick! /nt Bragi Jan 2012 #30
This looks like something I will read when I have more time. Quantess Jan 2012 #31
That moment was intentionally frittered away and robber baron capitalism given time it needed kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #32

ananda

(29,033 posts)
2. Um.. Obama was NEVER a liberal Democrat...
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:09 AM
Dec 2011

... but rather a "Democrat" who governs from
the economic right.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
6. Frank touches on the real problem, but seems scared to proceed:
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:32 AM
Dec 2011

I'd buy a book about the following. I won't buy the book Frank describes, which seems more like an excuse for the following.

Question (Jefferson Morley): Looking back on it, I feel like people like myself were part of the problem. We sort of assumed with the Democrats in power, the system would correct itself.

Answer (Thomas Frank):One of the problems with liberalism in this country is that it’s headquartered in Washington and its leaders are a very comfortable class of people. Washington is one of the richest cities in the country, maybe the richest. It’s not a place that feels the crisis, that feels the economic downturn. By and large, the real estate market stayed OK. The city continued to boom. The contracts continued to flow. What we’re talking about here is the failure of modern liberalism. At one time it was a movement of working-class people. The idea that liberals wouldn’t feel economic pain was ridiculous. That’s who liberals were. No more.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
10. Read the entire interview, if you haven't. It ends with far less focus than it begins,
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:53 AM
Dec 2011

such that I'm not so sure that a critique of Beltway insularity is really Frank's focus.

Certainly, there's no real overarching theme developed in the interview.

"Frank is the best. if you haven't read him, do"

Thanks, I'll give him a shot. As my edits show, I mistook him for another author at first.

 

getdown

(525 posts)
16. seems he made the point
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:10 PM
Dec 2011

in an overarching theme he's written extensively on: populism, bailouts, outrage, Dem's didn't pick up the ball at a key point, Repugs ran with it ...

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
27. You literally pulled out the piece I did. I copied it to post here and then was reading the thread
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:53 PM
Dec 2011

before I posted and here you are, posting the exact thing that rang my bells.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
29. This x 1000. Liberal "leaders" are mostly of the 1%.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:41 PM
Dec 2011

The Kennedy's, John Kerry, his now-discredited running mate John Edwards, Obama, Clinton - they are all very, very rich.

Do you think for one second they are going to seriously back measures that would effectively take their own wealth away? Sometimes, to their credit, they do indeed do so, as opposed to Republicans, who never do so.

Nonetheless, the fact that their own personal wealth comes into consideration is telling in terms of the fact that they aren't really liberal anymore, rather they are convenient liberals, who back liberal policies when it doesn't cost them anything. I.e., the failure of liberalism, which is rather not the failure of the ideas of liberalism, but rather, the failure of liberal leaders today.

KG

(28,755 posts)
3. america is full of idiots who deny the obvious while falling for any myth.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:12 AM
Dec 2011

i just can't come up any other other explaination.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
5. The Deregulation of finance was championed by Bill Clinton. Facts matter.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:24 AM
Dec 2011

The current sitting President appeared on television to passionately argue that the alleged "sanctity of contract" (sic) indicated that Congress must not tax the bankster bonuses issued after the massive government bailout of Wall Street.

Facts matter.

kentuck

(111,246 posts)
7. Excellent read!
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:38 AM
Dec 2011

"I’m speaking here of the liberal culture in Washington, D.C. There was no Occupy Wall Street movement [at that time] and there was only people like me on the fringes talking about it. The liberals had their leader in Barack Obama … they had their various people in Congress. But these people are completely unfamiliar with populist anger. It’s an alien thing to them. They don’t trust it, and they have trouble speaking to it. I like Barack Obama, but at the end of the day he’s a very professorial kind of guy. The liberals totally missed the opportunity, and the right was able to grab it."

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
8. Had Dems understood and/or been honest about the situation this effect may have been smaller
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:41 AM
Dec 2011

It's like, "The people prefer their big sexy lies to our lower case, tepid version of the same lies."

Well, duh.

We never made a case for honest economics. We never tried to dispell economic ignorance, but instead tried to co-opt it.

When Obama became mister deficit hawk he was saying that the tea party is essentialy right, but too bold in their rightness.

If "we" had made a principled case for economic reality then there would be a valid complaint that the people chose fantasy over reality. But we didn't. We pandered to the people's ingrained ignorance seeking to finese that ignorance rather than to persuade people to the truth.

People will chose real republicanism over fake republicanism.

Sigh.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
11. Gotta agree, Cthulu--not only did we not make a case for honest economics, we didn't even TRY to
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:55 AM
Dec 2011

make that case, nor did we use any persuasive method of any kind (framing; telling a compelling story; pointed ridicule where needed; bringing a gun to a knife fight instead of the other way around; etc.) to get a different message across.

That's why so many Democrats have come to the uneasy conclusion that Obama, as well as the Pubs, like things pretty much the way they are.

 

Huey P. Long

(1,932 posts)
13. ...and the few that did (see progressive caucus budget) were ignored by the establishment.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:00 PM
Dec 2011

In fact there is ANOTHER 'peoples' budget' being ignored as we type. If any attention is given, its to call us 'retards' or 'professional leftists'.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
14. Or are simply afraid
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:01 PM
Dec 2011

We have an endless list of things that we "obviously" cannot say because the people will rebel.

The pugs say whatever comes into their heads, the more extreme the better.

Yet the pugs are not notably less electorally successful.

 

getdown

(525 posts)
18. and if Dems had tried to
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:14 PM
Dec 2011

persuade the public, how to explain the fiscal crisis "fix" of putting banksters in charge of the financial system?

 

getdown

(525 posts)
15. excellent piece thanks for posting
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:01 PM
Dec 2011

"Still, I think that the conservative idea of revolting against the ruling class by holding up the market as an ideal is completely backwards. There is a ruling class in this country. But the notion that the free market is an act of rebellion against it seems pretty fanciful. I can say it stronger than that. It is absolutely preposterous."

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
19. Who called Obama "a liberal Democrat?" The far right? The MSM? Tom Frank? The author of
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:39 PM
Dec 2011

Tom Frank's book, Jefferson Morley?

In contrast to JFK who expressly called himself a liberal
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Ready-Reference/JFK-Speeches/Address-of-John-F-Kennedy-upon-Accepting-the-Liberal-Party-Nomination-for-President-New-York-New-Yor.aspx
it does not appear that Obama ever called himself a liberal.

Can anyone point to an instances in which Obama said that he is or was a liberal?

Obama has called himself a Centrist. No one can define what that means and no one has done so. But whatever it means, it means that he is not a liberal.

Certainly, the nutty descriptions given to Obama by the Tea Party members and other loons doesn't make Obama a liberal.

And no one who is intellectually honest can claim to believe that a politician with a (D) after their name is automatically a liberal. Even Joe Lieberman (former-D, and almost Vice-President) would probably admit to knowing that.

Why should anyone follow the lead of MSM pundits and call Obama a liberal just because he is a President who does not have an (R) after his name?

The Great Swindle did not merely involve the transfer of the country's wealth and future to the super-rich. They also stole a portion of the language so that now even adults of at least normal intelligence can say without thinking that Obama is a liberal. At most, He-who-is-not-Gringrich is not a registered Republican.

 

getdown

(525 posts)
22. u seem to be attacking Frank
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:49 PM
Dec 2011

which is sad

Being a "Liberal" was swiped and smeared long ago

call it what you will, O was considered a liberal Democrat (if not "A Liberal" !!!!) by the majority of Americans who voted for him and his Hope.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
23. Your perception that there was an attack upon Frank is wrong.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:11 PM
Dec 2011

If you have a perception that there was a charge that Frank originated the misrepresentation that Obama is or was a liberal, that, too, is wrong.

Nothing of what you have otherwise said in your post is at odds with what I posted. I respectfully disagree, however, with your statement that "Being a 'Liberal' was swiped and smeared long ago". Newt Gingrich may have been the one who gave the greatest publicity to his pejorative use of the phrase "liberal Democrat" back before they discovered his criminality, but that does not mean that he swiped the term "Liberal" or that he successfully "smeared" that term with thinking Americans.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
25. Question: How can you tell when this arrogant, obese, convicted felon is lying?
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:35 PM
Dec 2011

Answer: His lips move.



If you hear him call Obama a liberal (I don't because I don't listen to him at all), you'll know that he is lying.

Zenlitened

(9,488 posts)
20. A must-read.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:42 PM
Dec 2011

He is examining one of the most crucial junctures, IMO, in recent history.

Important stuff, will be discussed and studied for generations to come.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
32. That moment was intentionally frittered away and robber baron capitalism given time it needed
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 08:19 PM
Jan 2012

to regroup, reassert its unearned advantages, put a brave face as though it had not just been discredited in its every premise and promise, and to counterattack (a counterattack in the face of no attack or even resistance)
No capitulation this disastrous or total could ever be due to sheer incompetence, and no I will never forgive and forget.

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