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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/344196-dem-campaign-chief-vows-no-litmus-test-on-abortion?ampa women's right to healthcare is nonnegotiable
A candidate is not a Democrat if they do not fully support a women's right to choose.
Rep. Ben Ray Lujan, chairman of the DCCC, is willing to sacrifice a women's access to healthcare in the hope to get a candidate that claims to be a Democrat into Congress.
A perspective that women are second class citizens that can have their rights as human beings thrown away or disrespected is disgusting.
Make your voice heard:
Rep Ben Ray Lujan: @repbenraylujan
@dccc
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leftstreet
(36,064 posts)Abortion is LEGAL
Good Godz!
niyad
(112,053 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)angrychair
(8,536 posts)I want to understand your point better.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)You don't hold it? You don't support choice, women's reproductive rights?
Well, then you ain't a Democrat. You can call yourself one, but you ain't one.
(Using "you" in the vernacular here.)
It's pretty darn simple.
Lars39
(26,088 posts)those already elected say that
"While I personally do not believe but...".
When you say that you are giving cover to the
anti-choicers. And fuck the rare sentiment too.
"I believe in a woman's right to choose", and "women should have available the full range of healthcare options" is all that should be said.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)The majority of Americans do not want the American talibani bullshit
Lars39
(26,088 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,330 posts)Corvo Bianco
(1,148 posts)It's sad that Dems think we need more angry and dumb in order to win. What we need is Putin!
Odoreida
(1,549 posts)Goose up the "swing vote" by TOTALLY BETRAYING the base.
Yeah, that'll work.
uponit7771
(90,193 posts)... and only spoke of the middle class republicans would STILL vote against them !!!
Truman was right !! Why have a fake republican when the real one would do !!
TheBlackAdder
(28,027 posts)I won't give those fuckers one dime.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)progressoid
(49,754 posts)I wish we had pro-choice Dems in those seats. But what are the chances we'd keep the seat if they pushed out?
Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid even helped foist one on us:
http://commentsfromleftfield.com/media/schumer.mp3
Chuck Schumer:
"I said, those days are over Ed. Yes I'm pro-choice, but we need the best candidate. We can't insist that every democrat check off 18 different issues before they get (unintelligible) we could do that, we can't anymore. And so, we persuaded, Harry using his very...Harry has amazing insights into people...and we together persuaded Bob Casey to run.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)That doesn't sound like the best candidate to me in fact it sounds like Republican light, and they don't get elected anyway
brooklynite
(93,626 posts)He's been "pro life" for years, but doesn't campaign on it or impose it on others.
But perhaps it's time for purity...
MiniMe
(21,655 posts)Kerry was that was too
angrychair
(8,536 posts)It's not a difficult concept: either you believe a women has the right to make that choice for themselves and that it is their right to have open access to reproductive healthcare and birth control, free from harassment or you think they are second class citizens and property to be told what they can and cannot do. There is no gray area.
It's a basic human right, it's not up for political debate.
BigDemVoter
(4,149 posts)Scoot up to the anti-choicers. . . .
Damn-- I just can't do it.
williesgirl
(4,033 posts)Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)Republicans. Is that what your really want? I can tolerate a few red state and purple state Democrats who are pro-life if it means having the majority and we enact our progressive policies and appoint court nominees who protect a woman's right to choose. If the GOP wins, they get to enact their anti- choice policies and appoint nominees to the court who will preside over the destruction of abortion rights in this country.
angrychair
(8,536 posts)I counter with this question: what other rights are negotiable to you? What other rights are you willing to give up?
LGBT rights?
Global warming?
Women's right to vote?
PoC voting rights?
If any or all seem ridiculous that I ask another question:
Why are they ridiculous but a women's basic human rights negotiable?
Sometimes the argument is "it's their personal beliefs not how they vote"
Ok
So if you knew a Democrat candidate hated people of color but never seemed to vote against civil rights does that make them ok?
Hopefully you see my point, while we, as a society, spin our wheels on who gets rights and who does not, we are crippling future generations by failing to move forward and we deny that future stability, prosperity and discovery.
Demsrule86
(68,217 posts)justices who will take our rights away and make laws that will literally kill people...a few back-benchers from some GOP or purple states won't hurts us...a right wing dominated supreme court and say bye bye to Roe V Wade.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)I thought profane screeds against Democrats were a violation of the ToS here ...
angrychair
(8,536 posts)The DCCC taking a position that a woman's right to control their own body, their right to reproductive healthcare, is a bargaining chip to play politics with and the DCCC ignoring the fact that reproductive healthcare is a basic human right of all women, makes them fair game.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)PDittie
(8,322 posts)much less innocuous criticism of Democrats, Democratic organizations, etc. get promptly removed and the poster banned than what you have entered.
The terms of service are quite clear.
I'm not defending the DCCC at all, just so you know. I believe, as you, that there is, as stipulated by the courts, an unfettered right to a woman's choice. There are many here in Texas trying hard to take away, or hinder, or block that right even as I type this.
The DCCC, perhaps more specifically Cong. Ben Ray Lujan, is in contrast with Tom Perez in this regard. Lujan, in trying to broaden the tent in order to draw conservative votes and win elections, is pursuing IMO the wrong strategy in going about that. Anti-choice has a party.
But some of what appears here is most definitely in violation of DU's terms of service. That can't be disputed honestly.
This issue has been done to death over the last 48 hours as well.
angrychair
(8,536 posts)If it were your rights being used as a bargaining chip I bet it would be different.
If your rights were be debated to determine if you mattered or not I bet you would think different.
This is no small matter. It is because backpedaling sellouts like Rep Lujan and the DCCC that we cannot move on from reproductive healthcare but they and republicans just won't stop. I won't stop either.
women's rights are human rights
BannonsLiver
(16,133 posts)Women's rights aren't important.
You sure nailed me dead to rights.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Acting bored after a whole two days on an important women's rights issue isn't much better.
BannonsLiver
(16,133 posts)There's another one.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)isn't going to be tolerated by the base of the Democratic Party.
DK504
(3,847 posts)They would rather give away the party over their offices. This is why I refuse to send them a damn dime. Until they fall into line with real Democratic values, they need to find new jobs.
angrychair
(8,536 posts)Women's rights are not a partisan issue. They are a human issue. A very serious one.
While we, as a society, spin our wheels on who gets rights and who does not, we are crippling future generations by failing to move forward and we deny that future stability, prosperity and discovery.
Greybnk48
(10,144 posts)for decades. Enough. Fuck Lujan and fuck the DCCC. Not one penny from here. I'll pick my own candidates to donate to directly.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)At a local dem meeting I witnessed the first two speakers talk all about "pro-life". I thought I was at a republican meeting.
I have since expressed my concerns the appropriate people.
LeftInTX
(24,417 posts)Does he have a DCCC email address/contact?
angrychair
(8,536 posts)Congressional offices
D.C.
2231 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C, 20515
Ph: (202) 225-6190
Fax: (202) 226-1528
Santa Fe
1611 Calle Lorca, Suite A
Santa Fe, NM 87505
Ph: (505) 984-8950
Fax: (505) 986-5047
DCCC
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GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)A pro-life candidate wins the Democratic primary in, say east Texas. And has a real shot to take that seat for the Democratic Party.
What do we do? Support him or her? Or abandoned the seat to the republicans? Because answering that question may reflect where much of this country is right now.
I am strongly for a woman's ability to control her own body to the point that I think anti choice laws are a form of slavery.
I say we support the candidate in that situation. But if the party ever supports an anti choice in the primary with a pro choice candidate I am out.
Have a nice day.
angrychair
(8,536 posts)I counter with this question: what other rights are negotiable to you? What other rights are you willing to give up?
LGBT rights?
Global warming?
Women's right to vote?
PoC voting rights?
If any or all seem ridiculous that I ask another question:
Why are they ridiculous but a women's basic human rights negotiable?
Sometimes the argument is "it's their personal beliefs not how they vote"
Ok
So if you knew a Democrat candidate hated people of color but never seemed to vote against civil rights does that make them ok?
Hopefully you see my point, while we, as a society, spin our wheels on who gets rights and who does not, we are crippling future generations by failing to move forward and we deny that future stability, prosperity and discovery.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)But...
The sad fact is way too many people in the nation do not consider a woman right to her body a right at all despite our feelings.
If it came to having 6-8 anti choice Democratic congress persons with speaker Pelosi in charge as speaker of the house I would choose that vs what we have now. I used to be more of a political purist but am now willing to just minimize loses.
I respect that you feel different and there is no doubt my being a man may subconsciously influence my opinion on this. I hope not but who can say.
Thanks for the discussion and have a nice afternoon.
brooklynite
(93,626 posts)People here are conflating "pro-life" (a philosophy) and "anti-choice" (an imposed policy). I know of NO "anti-choice" candidate being considered by DCCC.