FUCK THE DCCC

[angrychair]

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/344196-dem-campaign-chief-vows-no-litmus-test-on-abortion?amp

a women's right to healthcare is nonnegotiable

A candidate is not a Democrat if they do not fully support a women's right to choose.

Rep. Ben Ray Lujan, chairman of the DCCC, is willing to sacrifice a women's access to healthcare in the hope to get a candidate that claims to be a Democrat into Congress.

A perspective that women are second class citizens that can have their rights as human beings thrown away or disrespected is disgusting.

Make your voice heard:

Rep Ben Ray Lujan: @repbenraylujan
@dccc
DCCC
Mailing Address:
430 S. Capitol St. SE
Washington, DC 20003
Main Phone Number: [phone]

[leftstreet]

1. So they want us to turn our backs on laws of the land?

Abortion is LEGAL

Good Godz!

[niyad]

2. FUCK YOU ben!! you do NOT get to throw women under the bus.

[WinkyDink]

3. Translation: "Being a Democrat is not the litmus test for running as a Democrat." Deja-vu?

[Me.]

33. Precisely

[angrychair]

39. Expand on that please

I want to understand your point better.

[WinkyDink]

45. It's called "Democratic Party principles." Support of choice for women is one of those principles.

You don't hold it? You don't support choice, women's reproductive rights?

Well, then you ain't a Democrat. You can call yourself one, but you ain't one.

(Using "you" in the vernacular here.)

It's pretty darn simple.

[Lars39]

4. I'm so gawddamned tired of hearing candidates and

those already elected say that
"While I personally do not believe but...".
When you say that you are giving cover to the
anti-choicers. And fuck the rare sentiment too.
"I believe in a woman's right to choose", and "women should have available the full range of healthcare options" is all that should be said.

[elehhhhna]

11. It's a privacy issue, let's just leave it at that

The majority of Americans do not want the American talibani bullshit

[Lars39]

15. Yes! Totally agree.

[Laffy Kat]

5. I would abandon the party. Sorry. nt

[Corvo Bianco]

6. A party that bases its platform on the whims of the angriest and the dumbest just won.

It's sad that Dems think we need more angry and dumb in order to win. What we need is Putin!

[Odoreida]

7. Let's see if I understand this ...

Goose up the "swing vote" by TOTALLY BETRAYING the base.

Yeah, that'll work.

[uponit7771]

17. +1, these guys act fuckin clueless ... if dems were pro hatred, anti abortion, anti gun regulations

... and only spoke of the middle class republicans would STILL vote against them !!!

Truman was right !! Why have a fake republican when the real one would do !!

[TheBlackAdder]

8. They import nitwits to local congressional campaigns to run them into the ground. Ignoring advice.

I won't give those fuckers one dime.

[crazycatlady]

9. I've been one of those 'nitwits'

[progressoid]

10. We have a bunch of pro-life dems. Bob Casey Jr, Joe Donnelly, Daniel Lipinski, Colin Peterson etc.

I wish we had pro-choice Dems in those seats. But what are the chances we'd keep the seat if they pushed out?


Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid even helped foist one on us:

http://commentsfromleftfield.com/media/schumer.mp3

Chuck Schumer:

"So I called up Governor...our number one target is Rick Santorum...let him go back to wherever he lives, Maryland, you know you heard about it, he is Pennsylvania but he tried to get exempt from the school tax there cause he lives in Maryland even though he is a registered citizen of Pennsylvania. In any case I called up the Governor of Pennsylvania, Governor Rendell, I said who is the best candidate to beat Santorum. He said there is only one person who could beat him but, A he won't run, and B you wouldn't want him to run. I said, why wouldn't we want him to run? He said he's pro-life. He's a deeply religious Catholic man: Bob Casey.

"I said, those days are over Ed. Yes I'm pro-choice, but we need the best candidate. We can't insist that every democrat check off 18 different issues before they get (unintelligible) we could do that, we can't anymore. And so, we persuaded, Harry using his very...Harry has amazing insights into people...and we together persuaded Bob Casey to run.

[elehhhhna]

13. That doesn't sound like the best candidate to me

That doesn't sound like the best candidate to me in fact it sounds like Republican light, and they don't get elected anyway

[brooklynite]

12. You'll be voting out Senator Bob Casey then?

He's been "pro life" for years, but doesn't campaign on it or impose it on others.

But perhaps it's time for purity...

[MiniMe]

14. He is pro-life for himself, but I think he agrees with a woman's right to choose

Kerry was that was too

[angrychair]

16. It's not about "purity"

It's not a difficult concept: either you believe a women has the right to make that choice for themselves and that it is their right to have open access to reproductive healthcare and birth control, free from harassment or you think they are second class citizens and property to be told what they can and cannot do. There is no gray area.

It's a basic human right, it's not up for political debate.

[BigDemVoter]

18. They're doing what the Right Wingers have always told them to do. . . . .

Scoot up to the anti-choicers. . . .

Damn-- I just can't do it.

[williesgirl]

19. Ok, not one fucking dime to the DCCC.

[Demsrule86]

22. Well I am sure starving Democrats (many who believe in choice) will show them...and elect

Republicans. Is that what your really want? I can tolerate a few red state and purple state Democrats who are pro-life if it means having the majority and we enact our progressive policies and appoint court nominees who protect a woman's right to choose. If the GOP wins, they get to enact their anti- choice policies and appoint nominees to the court who will preside over the destruction of abortion rights in this country.

[angrychair]

40. Respectfully

I counter with this question: what other rights are negotiable to you? What other rights are you willing to give up?

LGBT rights?

Global warming?

Women's right to vote?

PoC voting rights?

If any or all seem ridiculous that I ask another question:

Why are they ridiculous but a women's basic human rights negotiable?

Sometimes the argument is "it's their personal beliefs not how they vote"

Ok

So if you knew a Democrat candidate hated people of color but never seemed to vote against civil rights does that make them ok?

Hopefully you see my point, while we, as a society, spin our wheels on who gets rights and who does not, we are crippling future generations by failing to move forward and we deny that future stability, prosperity and discovery.

[Demsrule86]

44. None which is why we need to do what it takes to gain the majority so the GOP doesn't appoint SCOTUS

justices who will take our rights away and make laws that will literally kill people...a few back-benchers from some GOP or purple states won't hurts us...a right wing dominated supreme court and say bye bye to Roe V Wade.

[PDittie]

20. I'm confused

I thought profane screeds against Democrats were a violation of the ToS here ...

[angrychair]

21. It's not when it's valid

The DCCC taking a position that a woman's right to control their own body, their right to reproductive healthcare, is a bargaining chip to play politics with and the DCCC ignoring the fact that reproductive healthcare is a basic human right of all women, makes them fair game.

[ehrnst]

25. +1000 (nt)

[PDittie]

41. Frankly I've seen

much less innocuous criticism of Democrats, Democratic organizations, etc. get promptly removed and the poster banned than what you have entered.

The terms of service are quite clear.

I'm not defending the DCCC at all, just so you know. I believe, as you, that there is, as stipulated by the courts, an unfettered right to a woman's choice. There are many here in Texas trying hard to take away, or hinder, or block that right even as I type this.

The DCCC, perhaps more specifically Cong. Ben Ray Lujan, is in contrast with Tom Perez in this regard. Lujan, in trying to broaden the tent in order to draw conservative votes and win elections, is pursuing IMO the wrong strategy in going about that. Anti-choice has a party.

But some of what appears here is most definitely in violation of DU's terms of service. That can't be disputed honestly.

[BannonsLiver]

24. +1

This issue has been done to death over the last 48 hours as well.

[angrychair]

27. So women's rights are not important?

If it were your rights being used as a bargaining chip I bet it would be different.
If your rights were be debated to determine if you mattered or not I bet you would think different.

This is no small matter. It is because backpedaling sellouts like Rep Lujan and the DCCC that we cannot move on from reproductive healthcare but they and republicans just won't stop. I won't stop either.

women's rights are human rights

[BannonsLiver]

34. Yes, that's exactly what I wrote.

Women's rights aren't important.

You sure nailed me dead to rights.

[Bradical79]

36. Almost

Acting bored after a whole two days on an important women's rights issue isn't much better.

[BannonsLiver]

37. Thanks.

There's another one.

[ehrnst]

23. Going backward to appease some new version of "the left"

isn't going to be tolerated by the base of the Democratic Party.

[DK504]

26. The lily livered corporate democrats.

They would rather give away the party over their offices. This is why I refuse to send them a damn dime. Until they fall into line with real Democratic values, they need to find new jobs.

[angrychair]

29. I agree but would say it a different way

Women's rights are not a partisan issue. They are a human issue. A very serious one.

While we, as a society, spin our wheels on who gets rights and who does not, we are crippling future generations by failing to move forward and we deny that future stability, prosperity and discovery.

[Greybnk48]

28. At 68 years old, I've seen women sold down the river

for decades. Enough. Fuck Lujan and fuck the DCCC. Not one penny from here. I'll pick my own candidates to donate to directly.

[Equinox Moon]

30. So-called "pro-lifers" are infiltrating the Democratic Party

At a local dem meeting I witnessed the first two speakers talk all about "pro-life". I thought I was at a republican meeting.

I have since expressed my concerns the appropriate people.

[LeftInTX]

31. Is that Lujan's email or twitter handles?

Does he have a DCCC email address/contact?

[angrychair]

32. Here is contact info

Congressional offices
D.C.
2231 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C, 20515
Ph: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Santa Fe
1611 Calle Lorca, Suite A
Santa Fe, NM 87505
Ph: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

DCCC
Mailing Address:
430 S. Capitol St. SE
Washington, DC 20003
Main Phone Number: [phone]

[GulfCoast66]

35. Just a question...

A pro-life candidate wins the Democratic primary in, say east Texas. And has a real shot to take that seat for the Democratic Party.

What do we do? Support him or her? Or abandoned the seat to the republicans? Because answering that question may reflect where much of this country is right now.

I am strongly for a woman's ability to control her own body to the point that I think anti choice laws are a form of slavery.

I say we support the candidate in that situation. But if the party ever supports an anti choice in the primary with a pro choice candidate I am out.

Have a nice day.

[angrychair]

38. I respectfully disagree

I counter with this question: what other rights are negotiable to you? What other rights are you willing to give up?

LGBT rights?

Global warming?

Women's right to vote?

PoC voting rights?

If any or all seem ridiculous that I ask another question:

Why are they ridiculous but a women's basic human rights negotiable?

Sometimes the argument is "it's their personal beliefs not how they vote"

Ok

So if you knew a Democrat candidate hated people of color but never seemed to vote against civil rights does that make them ok?

Hopefully you see my point, while we, as a society, spin our wheels on who gets rights and who does not, we are crippling future generations by failing to move forward and we deny that future stability, prosperity and discovery.

[GulfCoast66]

43. Oh I see you point and think it valid

But...

The sad fact is way too many people in the nation do not consider a woman right to her body a right at all despite our feelings.

If it came to having 6-8 anti choice Democratic congress persons with speaker Pelosi in charge as speaker of the house I would choose that vs what we have now. I used to be more of a political purist but am now willing to just minimize loses.

I respect that you feel different and there is no doubt my being a man may subconsciously influence my opinion on this. I hope not but who can say.


Thanks for the discussion and have a nice afternoon.

[brooklynite]

42. UNREC

People here are conflating "pro-life" (a philosophy) and "anti-choice" (an imposed policy). I know of NO "anti-choice" candidate being considered by DCCC.