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***BREAKING NEWS****President Trump personally dictated the misleading statement on Donald Trump Jr. (Original Post) HipChick Jul 2017 OP
Caught lying once more. Kingofalldems Jul 2017 #1
I want to believe this but has this been verified? I think about a set-up for fake news. haveahart Jul 2017 #69
it is WaPo. You can rely on it. nt ginnyinWI Aug 2017 #79
WOOOOOOWWWWZAAAAAAAA! imanamerican63 Jul 2017 #2
Woah greeny2323 Jul 2017 #3
Welcome to DU, greeny2323! calimary Jul 2017 #61
welcome to du niyad Aug 2017 #75
just reported on msnbc ....he's so dangerous...anyone who lies with such ease & conviction spanone Jul 2017 #4
Yes and he is incredibly stupid to think this statement would pass the smell test: Glimmer of Hope Jul 2017 #6
...and use adoption of children in his lie...no soul in sight spanone Jul 2017 #9
It shows how stupid he is. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #31
Dick-tated Blue Owl Jul 2017 #5
What he said. skydive forever Jul 2017 #41
Two Scoops is involved in all this up to his eyeballs htuttle Jul 2017 #7
yeap, why would he go to this point in dictating anything. No one in their right mind is going to uponit7771 Jul 2017 #11
Yup HipChick Jul 2017 #12
Busted malaise Jul 2017 #8
Don't ya just love the line about his staff: dixiegrrrrl Aug 2017 #82
They should worry yes malaise Aug 2017 #84
LOL how's that crackdown on the 'leakers' going? leftstreet Jul 2017 #10
Lmao! HipChick Jul 2017 #13
Purrfect! Plucketeer Jul 2017 #46
Calling Jeff Sessions to investigate and prosecute those leakers wishstar Jul 2017 #60
Whoa...Reince's revenge? tanyev Jul 2017 #14
This is evidence of collusion and evidence of guilt Gothmog Jul 2017 #15
And that this meeting was no surprise at all to him... bettyellen Jul 2017 #25
Yes Reince is going to take a huge revenge ... Mueller firing is going to happen soon. MyNameIsKhan Jul 2017 #16
Maybe. The longer he waits and the more information that comes out, the worse it will be for Trump Caliman73 Jul 2017 #33
What an idiot. C_U_L8R Jul 2017 #17
Is that sort of thing frowned upon?? Bleacher Creature Jul 2017 #18
I thought this was reported by the New York Times back when it happened Brother Buzz Jul 2017 #19
C'mon don't rain on a good DU collective freak-out! WE GOT HIM FINALLY!!1!! mr_lebowski Jul 2017 #48
In retrospect, the story makes a lot more sense NOW with what the public has learned since then Brother Buzz Jul 2017 #49
New emphasis is that Trump concocted the minimalistic cover-up story, not just "signed off" wishstar Jul 2017 #62
That's unpossible.... Brother Buzz Jul 2017 #68
Thanks. I thought, I'm sure this is not news to me. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #70
So let me get this straight. Initech Jul 2017 #20
Adoptions, a childish stupid excuse, from a childish stupid man-child. denbot Jul 2017 #21
After a hard day of treason, it's Mueller time Snake Plissken Jul 2017 #22
"Advisors fear the statement...could put President Trump..in legal jeopardy." Ccarmona Jul 2017 #23
My guess..reality has sunk in that THEY are fucked rainbow4321 Jul 2017 #28
I would vote for both "Delusional" and "Just Plain Stupid". Boomerproud Jul 2017 #34
I presume Baby Don kept all the "you idiot" and "numbskull" asides out of his notes. sandensea Jul 2017 #24
K&R DesertRat Jul 2017 #26
A control freak like him? Turbineguy Jul 2017 #27
theres no end bluestarone Jul 2017 #29
Reince Priebus or the Mooch? Barack_America Jul 2017 #30
Reince XRubicon Jul 2017 #54
"Ok Junior, ya fuckup...let me tell you exactly what to say...." Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #32
Good thing that Preibus ousted - so the leaks can stop JDC Jul 2017 #35
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2017 #56
I'm no expert on politics. neeksgeek Jul 2017 #36
Okay, what does bpositive Jul 2017 #37
Obstruction of Justice Juliusseizure Jul 2017 #44
The business deals likely the focus Juliusseizure Jul 2017 #47
And another week is climbing up the roller coaster. nt femmocrat Jul 2017 #38
Americans are sick of the endless republican lies Achilleaze Jul 2017 #39
Just Doing Treason ouija Jul 2017 #40
Does he still claim that he knew nothing about the meeting?????????? W T F Jul 2017 #42
Not sure that this news speaks to 'when he knew' ... mr_lebowski Jul 2017 #45
The leaker may know. Barack_America Jul 2017 #58
According to the WaPo article, it's still unclear gratuitous Jul 2017 #50
Hmmm..WaPo journalist: Multiple sources, from different walks of life rainbow4321 Jul 2017 #43
What's disturbing about how the story is being told is that the 'adoption story' Trump wanted mr_lebowski Jul 2017 #51
What's the over/under on Kelly lasting the week? mcar Jul 2017 #52
I give him a couple of days before he finds out he's COSINO, Chief Of Staff In Name Only ... stupipd uponit7771 Jul 2017 #57
Trump becomes a dictator C_U_L8R Jul 2017 #53
Trump did say he was going to drain the swamp Angry Dragon Jul 2017 #55
All the lies and cover up - as a refresher, here is the link asiliveandbreathe Jul 2017 #59
k&r bagimin Jul 2017 #63
... orangecrush Jul 2017 #64
Worth asking again: What is it that he is really so scared of?. Enoki33 Jul 2017 #65
What is worst than money laundering and tax evasion? HipChick Jul 2017 #67
I have a feeling D_Master81 Jul 2017 #66
Once again, it's amateur hour in the Trump whitehouse. D23MIURG23 Aug 2017 #71
The real story behind this meeting is not getting the attention it deserves neohippie Aug 2017 #72
First time I ever saw the US Gov. was only seeking $12M in penalties ... over a 230M theft? mr_lebowski Aug 2017 #74
k & r Achilleaze Aug 2017 #76
Now isn't this obstruction of justice?!?!!! VaBchTgerLily Aug 2017 #73
Commisar Bone Spur is lying again. SHRED Aug 2017 #77
Lying all the time. sarcasmo Aug 2017 #78
Does this fall under "high crimes and misdemeanors"? workinclasszero Aug 2017 #80
As long as republicans control Congress, Mr.Bill Aug 2017 #81
Sad but true workinclasszero Aug 2017 #85
So the leader of the "Fake News" movement, is, in fact; Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2017 #83

calimary

(81,240 posts)
61. Welcome to DU, greeny2323!
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:42 PM
Jul 2017

I was looking at those tweets in the OP and thinking - "oh pleeeeeeze! Make it so! Make it so!" That's one of my favorite quotes from Captain Jean-Luc Picard - "make it so." I find myself saying that a lot as I read about the consequences of this continuing cavalcade of trump follies.

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
6. Yes and he is incredibly stupid to think this statement would pass the smell test:
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:00 PM
Jul 2017

“primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children” .

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
31. It shows how stupid he is.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:37 PM
Jul 2017

The Magnitsky Act was written to punish the Russians who were responsible for the death of Sergei Magnitsky by freezing their assets. It seriously undermined Putin's power with wealthy Russians. In response to that Putin ordered that no healthy Russian children were to be eligible for adoption to Americans and froze out current adoptions.

So yes, we know that Trump has no morals or ethics, or "no soul" as you say. He is also incredibly stupid to think that nobody was going to link discussions of the adoptions back to the Magnitsky Act. Putin does not care about Russian children. Trump does not care about Russian children. It was ultimately a discussion about getting the assets unfrozen so that Putin could save face with his oligarchs. All I can say is thank goodness Trump is so incredibly stupid.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
7. Two Scoops is involved in all this up to his eyeballs
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:01 PM
Jul 2017

I wasn't 100% sure whether he was actually behind all the Russian collusion, or just a useful idiot, but i'm sure now.

Trump himself is the one behind it.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
11. yeap, why would he go to this point in dictating anything. No one in their right mind is going to
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:05 PM
Jul 2017

... believe him if he says he didn't dictate this memo.

Sounds like Trump is trying to get rid of McMaster ... KGOP is starting to panic and trying to run from the Trump Chit Show

malaise

(268,986 posts)
84. They should worry yes
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 06:10 PM
Aug 2017

Notice how quickly 'family friend of the Duggars' fessed up that he 'weighed in..like any father'.
You'd think Con Jr. was a teenager.

A short while ago the Con was not involved at all.

LOCK THEM UP!

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
33. Maybe. The longer he waits and the more information that comes out, the worse it will be for Trump
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:42 PM
Jul 2017

He can certainly always fire Mueller, but as Graham said, "It will be the beginning of the end for the Trump presidency." The longer he waits and the more that comes out, the worse it will look if he fires Mueller. Trump will probably not care because he is so far up his own ass that he may even believe that he is not guilty of what he is certainly guilty of. His supporters will rationalize it, but the rest of the country will understand what it means that the president coordinated with a foreign government to cheat in an election.

Brother Buzz

(36,423 posts)
19. I thought this was reported by the New York Times back when it happened
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:19 PM
Jul 2017
As Air Force One jetted back from Europe on Saturday, a small cadre of Mr. Trump’s advisers huddled in a cabin helping to craft a statement for the president’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., to give to The New York Times explaining why he met last summer with a lawyer connected to the Russian government. Participants on the plane and back in the United States debated how transparent to be in the statement, according to people familiar with the discussions.

Ultimately, the people said, the president signed off on a statement from Donald Trump Jr. for The Times that was so incomplete that it required day after day of follow-up statements, each more revealing than the last. It culminated on Tuesday with a release of emails making clear that Mr. Trump’s son believed the Russian lawyer was seeking to meet with him to provide incriminating information about Hillary Clinton as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/russia-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
48. C'mon don't rain on a good DU collective freak-out! WE GOT HIM FINALLY!!1!!
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:38 PM
Jul 2017

but yeah, you're right ... now that you mention it, that NYT story from 3 weeks ago ... is pretty much the exact story we're getting today in the WaPo. Trump is just described as a bit more directly involved ... but I don't see how that matters. The fact he 'signed off on the excuses' was pretty dang close to what we're hearing today.

And it's not gonna amount to shit unless someone can prove he SENT his guys to the meeting, AND told them to discuss exchanging dropping sanctions for help from Russia to win the election. Which neither today's story (nor this one) in no way ... actually do.

Ergo, seems like much ado about nothing, unless I'm somehow missing something.

Brother Buzz

(36,423 posts)
49. In retrospect, the story makes a lot more sense NOW with what the public has learned since then
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:49 PM
Jul 2017

Perhaps this time the story will grow legs.

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
62. New emphasis is that Trump concocted the minimalistic cover-up story, not just "signed off"
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:46 PM
Jul 2017

Original article made it sound like others worked together drafting a statement that Trump okayed. New article emphasizes that rather than just going along with statement written by others, Trump actually authored the statement and was the originator of the deceptive "adoption" cover story, having decided against advice of others who wanted more complete and accurate disclosure

Brother Buzz

(36,423 posts)
68. That's unpossible....
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 11:29 PM
Jul 2017

Juniors statement has more than 140 characters!

That being said, thanks for the clarification

I thought that adoption angle was weak sauce from the get-go, then we learned from the Browder testimony, 'adoptions' was really code for Russian sanctions. Follow the money.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
70. Thanks. I thought, I'm sure this is not news to me.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:46 AM
Aug 2017

And, it's clear now that it was the exact NYTimes story you reference that I was remembering.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
20. So let me get this straight.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:21 PM
Jul 2017

The GOP accuses Hillary of selling out her own daughter - which never in a million years would ever possibly happen. But Trump sells out his own son and the fuckers are utterly silent on the issue. God damn them!

denbot

(9,899 posts)
21. Adoptions, a childish stupid excuse, from a childish stupid man-child.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:23 PM
Jul 2017

He is so stupid he thinks his bullshit would fly, and so childish, he thinks he knows better then his lawyers, advisers, and staff.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
22. After a hard day of treason, it's Mueller time
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:24 PM
Jul 2017

It's time to call the priest in to give this administration it's last rites, drink it up fellas, it's closing time.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
23. "Advisors fear the statement...could put President Trump..in legal jeopardy."
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:26 PM
Jul 2017

You mean nothing going on up until now alerted the "Advisors" ?
They're either delusional or just plain stupid.

rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
28. My guess..reality has sunk in that THEY are fucked
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:35 PM
Jul 2017

Because they had knowledge and helped him carry it all out...and are realizing that THEY need to lawyer up without the help of Trump/his family paying their lawyer fees.

I have no sympathy for them. They could have either never gotten on the Trump Train or jumped off a long time ago.

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
34. I would vote for both "Delusional" and "Just Plain Stupid".
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:43 PM
Jul 2017

This crowd is so far over its head it is getting too late for a lifeguard. Will it take a catastrophic event for the trumpets to wake up? The rest of us do not deserve to go down with them.

sandensea

(21,630 posts)
24. I presume Baby Don kept all the "you idiot" and "numbskull" asides out of his notes.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:27 PM
Jul 2017

I once had a class where the TA would read every last word from the professor's material, right down to the "turn page" and "turn projector off."

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
32. "Ok Junior, ya fuckup...let me tell you exactly what to say...."
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:38 PM
Jul 2017

Lmao....because of course he did!!! That's the prototypical trump!

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
36. I'm no expert on politics.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:45 PM
Jul 2017

But when I initially read the article in the Washington Post, I actually blurted out, "holy s**t!" So could this be the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back?"

bpositive

(423 posts)
37. Okay, what does
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:47 PM
Jul 2017

This mean from a legal standpoint? Was a law broken? Will someone be going to jail? Impeachable offense?

Also- a leak like this would have come from a inner circle of power? Right? Any dibs on who released this?

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
47. The business deals likely the focus
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:37 PM
Jul 2017

Not collusion, which may not be a federal crime depending on case. Russian gov. covers its tracks. It's murky and technically complex.

Trump controlled the business deals and he's very sloppy. Trump University was a slam dunk. School wasn't even accredited.
Trump has a long history of white collar criminal behavior. He just hasn't been charged due to NY connections w/prosecutors (he pays for their and politicians campaigns, sister was a federal judge). Those crimes are a lot more familiar to attorneys. They know what to look for.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
45. Not sure that this news speaks to 'when he knew' ...
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:27 PM
Jul 2017

This is describing events immediately after the article hit the news. So it's possible Trump crafted these excuses after hearing (for the first time, at that time) what the meeting was about, what was discussed, etc.

I mean *I THINK* he knew back at the time of the damn meeting ... but this particular news doesn't establish any proof of that.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
58. The leaker may know.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:27 PM
Jul 2017

If Trump was informed of the NYT article and came up with the idea of the statement without having spoken to Jr. or Jared...

Alternatively, it would be surprising if some country's intel service did not have more information on those "secret" meetings he had with Putin at the G20, just before this all came out.

Funny, isn't it? You've got Trump trying to sneak around alone with Putin just before this story breaks. What a coincidence.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
50. According to the WaPo article, it's still unclear
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:53 PM
Jul 2017

But that sets up a bit of a conundrum: If Daddy didn't know anything about the meeting, why did everyone go along with his statement of the meeting? If Daddy did know about the meeting, then why didn't he make a clean breast* of that, instead drafting a misleading diversionary statement that shaded the truth about six ways from Sunday?

First Rule of Holes: When you find yourself in one, stop digging. Instead, Trump goes and gets a backhoe.

*Oh, grow up.

rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
43. Hmmm..WaPo journalist: Multiple sources, from different walks of life
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:16 PM
Jul 2017

Interesting phrase to use. This should add to drumf's paranoia...

The WaPo journalist on TV when asked how many sources they have for the breaking news.




 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
51. What's disturbing about how the story is being told is that the 'adoption story' Trump wanted
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:55 PM
Jul 2017

told has somehow become 'the misleading statement' ... as if anybody is ACTUALLY SURE that this is not EXACTLY WHAT was really discussed!?!

Don't they realize 'The Dirt On Hillary Story' can SIMULTANEOUSLY be TRUE, because that part of the story is about what DTJ was told BEFORE the meeting re: what it would be about? Both can be 100% truthful, in actuality.

Anyone asserting 'dirt on Hillary is what was really discussed in the meeting' and suggesting that, therefore 'adoptions' were NOT ... I am highly suspect of their actual motives.

The 'adoption' story is actually EQUALLY incriminating, once you understand it's pertinence and relation to Magnisky Act & Sanctions.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
57. I give him a couple of days before he finds out he's COSINO, Chief Of Staff In Name Only ... stupipd
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jul 2017

... ass'd Benedict Donald doesn't listen in the end.

There's no one to keep Benedict Donald from doing what he wants

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
59. All the lies and cover up - as a refresher, here is the link
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:30 PM
Jul 2017

to the original emails..and at the end dtrump jr's Dad's dictated response..re adoption....

Adoptions?? - doesn't even fit the narrative of the original subject line..

Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

Oh, as we know now..adoption=Magnitsky Act=remove sanctions...hey, goes along with the RNC sanction platform being watered down...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-email-text.html

The Wash Post article is excellent - and I am sure journalists are going to be all over this....the puzzle pieces start to fit, and the Russian/trump connection becomes more clear...they are all in it up to their eyeballs...what lawyer is even going to defend this shit!! There is NO defense....

And let's not forget Manafort wanted Pense for VP and made the trump/pense meeting happen...pathetic..

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
65. Worth asking again: What is it that he is really so scared of?.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 11:04 PM
Jul 2017

It has got to be more than money laundering and tax evasion.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
66. I have a feeling
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 11:06 PM
Jul 2017

I have a feeling, it being only Monday, that there is something else to drop later this week. Who knows what it will be, but I remember when the news of this meeting broke it was on the weekend and the story kept evolving as the week went along.

D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
71. Once again, it's amateur hour in the Trump whitehouse.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:09 AM
Aug 2017


You'd think ass-cheeto would try to cover his tracks and maintain plausible deniability, but he's so arrogant that he doesn't see the need. It should be fun watching the shithammer finally fall on him. The look on his face when it hits ought to be priceless.

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
72. The real story behind this meeting is not getting the attention it deserves
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:06 AM
Aug 2017

The fact that this meeting between Trump's campaign and the Russian attorney who represented Prevezon in the Russian money laundering case that was mysteriously settled before going to trial should be very suspect and investigated further.


Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of Donald Trump, who acts as his senior White House adviser, secured a multimillion-dollar Manhattan real estate deal with a Soviet-born oligarch whose company was cited in a major New York money laundering case now being investigated by members of Congress.


Trump not convinced Russian meddling took place, communications chief says
Read more
A Guardian investigation has established a series of overlapping ties and relationships involving alleged Russian money laundering, New York real estate deals and members of Trump’s inner circle. They include a 2015 sale of part of the old New York Times building in Manhattan involving Kushner and a billionaire real estate tycoon and diamond mogul, Lev Leviev.

The ties between Trump family real estate deals and Russian money interests are attracting growing interest from the justice department’s special counsel, Robert Mueller, as he seeks to determine whether the Trump campaign collaborated with Russia to distort the outcome of the 2016 race. Mueller has reportedly expanded his inquiry to look at real estate deals involving the Trump Organization, as well as Kushner’s financing.




https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/24/jared-kushner-new-york-russia-money-laundering








http://www.businessinsider.com/us-v-prevezon-case-settlement-russia-money-laundering-2017-5


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A major money-laundering case set to go to trial last week in New York was suddenly settled three days earlier, with both the US government and the defendant, the Russian firm Prevezon Holdings, claiming victory.

The asset-forfeiture and money-laundering case was scheduled to begin last Monday, but it was unexpectedly settled for close to $6 million, a little under half of the amount sought by the government at the time the case was settled. The US attorney's office characterized the settlement as a win for anti-corruption efforts in a statement issued late Friday.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
74. First time I ever saw the US Gov. was only seeking $12M in penalties ... over a 230M theft?
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:29 PM
Aug 2017

So they were going after a 5% penalty, and settled for 2.5%?

Who says crime doesn't pay? Sheesh ... that's fucking RIDICULOUS.

If this were a regular plebe, it'd be $230M in restitution + more in penalties + 50 years in jail ... what a fucking joke.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
80. Does this fall under "high crimes and misdemeanors"?
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:01 PM
Aug 2017
What are the grounds for impeachment of the president?

The Constitution sets specific grounds for impeachment. They are “treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.” To be impeached and removed from office, the House and Senate must find that the official committed one of these acts.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
81. As long as republicans control Congress,
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 04:22 PM
Aug 2017

there are no grounds for impeachment. Trump could stand at the podium at a rally in front of 10,000 people and cut the head off a baby and they would not impeach him.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,574 posts)
83. So the leader of the "Fake News" movement, is, in fact;
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 05:24 PM
Aug 2017

an originator of fake news! It's all so clear to me now

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