FReakers ponder whether Texas will secede when Romney loses.

[maxrandb]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2906830/posts

Could Texas once again become the Republic of Texas?

Without question, the Nov. 6 election will be a do-or-die, make-or-break, Rubicon-crossing event. If the presidential election goes one way, we get a “do-over.” We’ll be given the opportunity to take the first step on a long, arduous journey back to our political and economic roots. If it goes the other way, federalism and balance of power will continue to be edged out by an overreaching federal government and an imperial presidency. Socialism will have an unbreakable hold on the economy, and a centralized government, rather than a free market, will determine business’ winners and losers.
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I say, as the Moody Blues did; "If you gotta go, ooooh you'd better go now, go now

[bluestateguy]

1. That's Texas's decision

But if they do, we are going to need that Houston Space Center (and all those jobs) back. I say California should get first dibs on it.

[lapfog_1]

3. No nukes and no military assets for Texas

and any other state that wants to leave.

And that wall that they keep talking about... 60 feet high and electric.

Other than that, no problem... any Texas DUers are welcome here in California

[kestrel91316]

39. And don't forget, no more Social Security checks or

Medicare for secessionist Texas residents.

Whoopsie.

[ode2joi]

40. Really ?

then the government would really keep its hands off their Medicare/SS !!!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. So don't give people in Tx what they have paid into and are due? I reside in this messed up state

have no means financially to leave.

Don't hold that against me.

I was born and raised in California.

I would much prefer to live there instead of here.

Just can't make that happen.

My husband spent 40+ yrs paying into SS and Medicare. I think he deserves to collect, don't you?

[treestar]

59. If they actually secede

which is silly, so it's hard to get into details - the US would probably have a generous immigration policy for Texans wanting back into the US.

If it actually happened and the US allowed it (that would have to be so) there would be some way to work it all out.

[kestrel91316]

67. Social Security and Medicare are US government programs.

If TX secedes, it will have to look after its own citizens and not expect another country to do so.

[RagAss]

2. Who the fuck would notice?

[Turbineguy]

4. We have to celebrate

Juneteenth in other places.

[nolabear]

7. Oh, a couple dozen Mexican drug cartels.

It'd be like wolves scrabbling over a wounded prairie dog.

[freshwest]

28. Yes, the Republic of Texas noticed that a long, long time ago. (From a Native)

[Tx4obama]

21. Your comment is highly offensive.

In 2008 over 3.5 MILLION Texans voted for Obama.

We Texas Democrats are not going anywhere.

And please do not forget that there are MANY DUers here on DU that live in Texas.

[flying_wahini]

38. Thanks from another Texas Democrat. I find these smears highly offensive, too.

N/t

[nolabear]

42. Yeah, you're right. Apologies to all Texans who aren't into secession.

It's easy to get overdone when it's a fantasy. And as someone who has to defend the good folks in Mississippi I sympathize.

[treestar]

60. But the whole thing is a joke

Since it would never happen. The Freeper vision is what we'd be attacking (note the Freepers think Texas is entirely conservative). And it sounds like a nice chunk of land to the Freepers. This is but an imaginary Freeper vision, and attacks on it would be attacks on that.

[Politicalboi]

5. Let them

And when Mexico wants it back, and is willing to take it by force. LOL! Let them buy their own Texas Army with their own printed money.

[HopeHoops]

9. Hey, they've got Flight Suit Dubya to protect them! All is WELL!

[treestar]

61. That's right, forgot about that. They'd have Dubya!!!

That's some military they would have!

[cindyperry2010]

6. well then they would

have to give up all the federal money now wouldn't they

[HopeHoops]

8. Wouldn't bother me. I've been there. I'm not impressed. Think they can make it alone?

[Tx4obama]

22. Shame on you!

In 2008 over 3.5 MILLION Texans voted for Obama.

We Texas Democrats are not going anywhere.

And please do not forget that there are MANY DUers here on DU that live in Texas.

[HopeHoops]

65. I know that. But when the politicians talk that way it disgusts me. Arizona's the same way.

MFM lives in AZ, but the state acts like it wants to be a land-locked island of ignorance and hatred. I lived in NH for ten years (before Shaheen was elected governor) and some of the TOWNS wanted to become independent of the state. Why can't these people just get it through their thick skulls that we're only a strong country because we ARE a country?

[Rain Mcloud]

10. We'll trade the freepers

and in return we get ZZ TOP!

[Doremus]

11. I think the DU links to their sewer is the only thing that keeps them in business.

A simple quote would suffice for discussion, imo. The link is an unnecessary SEO gift.

[snappyturtle]

12. True. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Texas is the place you can look the farthest and see the least.

[steve2470]

14. Secession talk is all hat and no cattle, as they say in Texas and elsewhere....

When an overwhelming majority of Texas voters (as in like 80% or more) start talking secession, then I'll listen.

[Major Nikon]

36. It wouldn't matter if 100% thought it was a good idea

Texas has already tried that once. Here's what the US Supreme Court had to say about it...

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

[steve2470]

50. You are correct

My use of the word "listen" meant, this is only the extremist fringe talking.

If a huge majority of Texas voters ever seriously considered secession, then I would take them seriously.

Secession is illegal, would not succeed and would be doomed to failure in another bloody war.

[Major Nikon]

53. It's mostly neo-confederates and other associated dipshits that come up with this crap

... (which includes our dipshit governor).

None of which should be taken seriously.

[cpwm17]

69. Freedoms are only taken, not given.

If Texas is prevented from separating, then that freedom is taken. Nobody, whether it was a long time ago or now, has the right to sign away that freedom. But, I don't think most Texans are interested in separating. It would be a bad idea, and they would probably beg to return if they tried.

In principle, if the citizens of Texas decided that they wanted to go it alone and create their own country, what right does the rest of the country have to deny them? It's the government's job to work for the people. Governments don't own the people.

Well informed citizens SHOULD vote for whoever acts in their best interest as a whole. So it is legitimate for a government to take away some freedoms of some members of it's population if it is in the interest of the people as a whole. But, if the people of a particular region of the country decide that the US Government wasn't acting in their best interest, it is their natural right to separate.

[Major Nikon]

70. Secession from the union is not a "freedom" that individual states have

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When Texas entered the union, they made an agreement with all the citizens of the union, not just those in Texas. As such it's not just up to the citizens of Texas to dissolve that agreement.

[Wounded Bear]

15. Yeah, and how'd that work out for you last time?

(apologies to our DU Texan brethren. I don't really want to lose you guys)

[IDemo]

16. "Socialism will have an unbreakable hold on the economy"

Promises, promises...

[freshwest]

47. Don't I know it. I thought Obama was going to give me that socialist utopia I wanted. He didn't..

Promise any such thing, but I'd been wanting it so long that I just thought it was gonna rain down from heaven.

No good reason. Just like baggers are against Obama. Just because. No, I don't have a link. Because I said so.

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. Yes, they say that like it's a bad thing.

[deutsey]

62. I saw Billy Bragg in concert last night

He called socialism "organized compassion."

[Canuckistanian]

17. Then Mexico will invade and take it back.

Without the massive power of the federal govt., Texas is just a collection of libertarians and unorganized gun nuts.

Apologies to Texas Dems and the city of Austin, of course, who are trying to keep Texas sane.

[toddwv]

18. Bunch of crazies.

The scary thing is that they actually believe what they are typing.

[mysuzuki2]

19. That issue was settled 150 years ago.

Once and for all.

[muntrv]

20. How about just the freepturds secede?

Texas is fine without them.

[Tx4obama]

23. In 2008 over 3.5 MILLION Texans voted for Obama, we aren't going anywhere, and ...

Texas will NOT ever secede from the union because it is illegal for any U.S. state to secede.

The only thing that Texas can do legally is divide into four (or is it three or five) smaller states.

[freshwest]

34. Well, it did already... When it ceased to be a Republic in order to join the Union.

I'm not sure it is illegal. VT passed the idea around during the Bush administration to quit supporting the war but I never heard Sanders speak of it, so you may be correct. There has always been loose talk of Texas secession for various wing nut reasons, but it will always be in the best interests of Texas to remain in the USA. The former map and division creating several American states is at this link. Unfortunately, the map image will not come through, sorry about that.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Wpdms_republic_of_texas.svg

The secession to join the Confederacy was a disgrace and repudiated by most sane natives many years ago. Some of the slaveholders were also in opposition to Mexico before the Republic was established. Here is the history of Juneteenth as I was taught it in school and how the Union army arrived in Galveston:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth

I grew up in a Texas where there were graveyards of slaves and had small towns that were the property of freed slaves. It was an embarrassment to most people I knew that slavery had ever existed, much less been a factor in the governance of Texas.

The last group of criminal, extortionists seeking to re-establish the Republic of Texas with its own currency came to an ignominious end near Fort Davis. They tried to find legal flaws which wing nuts still cite to defend the assertion at Texas was not legally rejoined to the Union. They conveniently ignore the fact Texas threw in her lot with the Confederacy and lost when it did and had to suffer the consequences with them.

Some of this last bunch may have never been found, as I heard when the standoff ended, but am not willing to take the time to look it up for sure. I'm sure the coyotes had a good meal. Here's a link the Freepers likely visit. They are as ignorant as the rest of the Confederates:

http://www.rickross.com/groups/republic.html

At several times in history, Texas was more progressive than most of the South. The last decades of Republican rule have done little for the people of Texas. It is all their own ingenuity and strength of family and spirit that has preserved them.

In the meanwhile, the stupefying GOP rule is working on reducing the state to the social standards of a third world, patrician country. Texas is the experiment they heralded with Bush as a model for the rest of the nation. I'm sad to say it's worked in some respects. but there will always be opposition to them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas#Republic

And that's my opinion.

[petronius]

24. Fuck them; Texas belongs to real Americans

How about they just go outside US waters and build themselves an island with all that horse-crap they spew up on a daily basis?

[sadbear]

25. Freepers ponder all kinds of stupid shit.

This is no different. There's only like 14 guys in Texas who REALLY want to secede. The rest are just noisy blowhards.

"it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

[txwhitedove]

27. Exactly, thank you. I was going to say BS to the whole OP, but you said it better.

[treestar]

63. Going Shakespeare on us, aren't you?

So very true.

[Lint Head]

26. Oklahoma would be happy.

[Tess49]

30. That may be true. Texas is determined to steal our water. n/t

[Initech]

29. Hey we all know how well secession worked out the first time.

If freepers really so badly want to live out their no government fantasies - give 'em a month and they'll come crawling back.

[lastlib]

31. If they'll take their last two governors with them, we'll allow it!

as long as all you good Texas DUers & Dems stay with us! We really love you guys (& ladies!!)!

(If you have any more Barbara Jordans, Ann Richards' or Molly Ivinses, we especially want them!!!)

All them freeper types an' ex-governors are free to leave us any time, though!

[Thinkingabout]

32. Rick Perry did as well in Texas history classes as all his other classes.

I am not a native Texan but I know Texas can not succeed from the union

[Marrah_G]

33. Half of them think the world is 6k years old and flat

[ode2joi]

41. 6k years old ?

how do they explain away carbon-dating ?

[Marrah_G]

55. Fakery put forth by the devil?

Who the heck knows.... They think people and dinosaurs lived together.

http://creationmuseum.org/

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Texas V US... people better become familiar with that

USSC decision.

And no, it would not be unnoticeable.

It is also in the same stupid category of 100 million people moving down there. And you should not be playing that stoopid game...

[frogmarch]

37. There would be war if they tried to secede.

That aside, have they thought about all the federal aid they'd lose? No more Medicare, Medicade or FDA-inspected food, for a few examples. For Texans to enter the U.S. they'd have to have passports. I don't think the would-be Texas secessionists have thought it through.

[Kablooie]

44. No military protection from the US either.

[frogmarch]

64. Right. Texans would be

in a world of hurt without Uncle Sam looking out for them. Along with receiving no military protection, they'd be on their own in natural disasters too, and the Texans who are now screaming for the federal government to leave their Medicare and Medicaid alone wouldn't know what hit them when that rug is yanked out from under them.

[Kablooie]

43. The new book "As Texas Goes" addresses the Texas mindset.

She says that Texans have always yearned for the days of the independent Republic.
Their allegiance to Texas is perhaps stronger than to the USA.
This mindset is unique to Texas, no other state has such an independent self image.

[mick063]

45. Rick Perry is

the laughing stock of politics......

and it is the Texas tards who are philosphically aligned with Free Republic that elected him.


This is all you need to know about the Texas GOP.

[Tsiyu]

46. Hey, It ain't just Texas

Read this crap:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1925922/pg1

Viper1's OP gems:

"Congratulations to the US Militia.

Recruitment to various US Militia groups
increased by 77,104 members in the last
12 months.

These new recruits will comprise of
a new 60 Battalions for immediate
domestic deployment within hrs of
notification.

This recruitment feat rivals any military
branch in the US.

Roughly 68% of them are former US Military
personnel with tactical training. Approximately
550 of them are former Special Operators who
will lead their men.

Enjoy your corporate fascism while it lasts"

The thread is several pages long, and details their "assassination" plans.

Some great insults: A more sensible poster to Viper1: "You couldn't organize a bunch of preschoolers to retake the Ball Pit at Chuckie Cheese

This is a site I sometimes audit in a list of sites. ( I'm not a member or poster ) A lot of wackos but a lot of LBN if you hit it right. There is a mix of people on it, but the crazies of course bully everyone.

It's fascinating to imagine what they are thinking here.

[freshwest]

48. I've looked into them from time to time thinking they'd fade away. Still there! Whoopee!

I wonder if anyone really takes them seriously, though. The way some people vote, I'm afraid so. I'm all for thinking out there on the edge, but between that and the InfoWars empire inspiring the Paulbots, they've done a lot of damage to the electorate. Of course the M$M did not help in the slightest to give credible information. Thanks for the latest on the militia wackjobs.

[Tsiyu]

68. They take themselves seriously, but they're like children

I don't think any of them have a true grasp on reality, but I think if SHTF they will do some damage before they are annihilated.

They actually believe they can assassinate all in our government and take over themselves. And the rest of us can "get out of the way or else."

Of course, once they are in place in their fantasy, they fail to mention that their current LOVE of the Constitution will be replaced by a desire to see every liberal, gay, minority and woman murdered, imprisoned or enslaved if they don't go along with WhitE Boyz World.


Their Post Militia World resembles a Blue Collar Afghanistan or Somalia, but as long as white guys win, who cares? They're selling anarchy, while pretending to sell us "Wholesome Colonial America 2.0."

Crazy peeps for sure.....

[lovemydog]

49. LOL, I'd rather see Texas go blue

And I think it's possible. Maybe not this election or next. But I think the republican brand is getting to be like contaminated dog food.

Nixon had a southern strategy to move the south away from the democratic party, toward the republican party. Reagan helped solidify it.

I think it's entirely possible that the majority of Texans can tilt back to the democratic party, once the majority are aware that the republicans aren't helping working people one bit. In fact they are harming them.

Thank you Texans here. I like your posts!

[Skittles]

51. LOL

they'd be crying to the feds after the first disaster

[sendero]

52. Talk of Texas secession...

... is beyond ridiculous. It is not going to happen, period.

Just a bunch of basement wankers with a pipe dream.

[Ganja Ninja]

58. Why not just give them a couple of counties and let them go?

Texas will be blue in a few years anyway. Just crowd the secessionists into a few of the most worthless counties and wish them well, then quick build a wall around them.

[Sheepshank]

66. Texas currently drains the Federal coffers of more money than any other state (per head of pop)

they literally cannot afford to take off themselves. Unless I suppose shanty towns are in vogue?

OTOH, if they do it's more money for the rest of the nation, and no more Texas school books hi jinx to worry about!