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788,000 people who grew up in American now have to leave (Original Post) BainsBane Sep 2017 OP
We knew what was at stake ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #1
The white nationalist trend in politics BainsBane Sep 2017 #6
Also sickening ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #10
+1 yes it has been ... lunasun Sep 2017 #34
How about we keep the 788,000 good Americans ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #2
I vote for your idea !!! I love it ! fierywoman Sep 2017 #3
works for me BainsBane Sep 2017 #4
I like that idea! n/t Different Drummer Sep 2017 #7
Yup Doreen Sep 2017 #45
I would give generously to any entity that promised that. VOX Sep 2017 #51
So sad. I feel sick about it. But it's not all over for the Dreamers. Hortensis Sep 2017 #52
Fantastic idea! smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #53
++++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #61
republicans passed a poison pill Achilleaze Sep 2017 #5
There is this. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #8
Oh my leftstreet Sep 2017 #9
Yup. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #15
Great start! I can't believe this will be allowed to go through. nt R B Garr Sep 2017 #12
Dunno. Maybe... sheshe2 Sep 2017 #14
I meant ending DACA. I definitely hope Obama speaks out. R B Garr Sep 2017 #19
I don't think this will happen. panader0 Sep 2017 #20
The mechanism is customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #22
Unfortunately, DACA itself made it trivially easy. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #32
Yes, I guess it's just a performance for him. An internet troll shock jock R B Garr Sep 2017 #40
They are already rounding immigrants up BainsBane Sep 2017 #44
From what I read... sheshe2 Sep 2017 #26
That is a great synopsis ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #29
Thank you ism. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #35
What a shame, then. I thought someone like Mattis could help with the insanity. R B Garr Sep 2017 #37
I think we are on our own. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #39
+1 dalton99a Sep 2017 #13
And Trump is counting on this customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #21
This is just utter insanity. I wonder if someone will put a stop to this like R B Garr Sep 2017 #11
Maybe Repubs in both houses will get off their butts and legislate protections for Dreamers tblue37 Sep 2017 #16
It would be interesting to see those negotiations customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #23
There are a lot of DACA students at my school. Coventina Sep 2017 #17
Trump sees it as: "788,000 Democratic voters who grew up......" WinkyDink Sep 2017 #18
Of course they CAN'T vote, and DACA does not offer a path to citizenship. nt tblue37 Sep 2017 #24
I suspect, once we see nearly a million people start getting forcibly rounded up on TV... Akoto Sep 2017 #25
Everything this administration has done is a disaster. Initech Sep 2017 #28
They've already been rounding people up BainsBane Sep 2017 #43
Bernie or bust liquid diamond Sep 2017 #27
What a big bust. betsuni Sep 2017 #46
It is awful, but I know that Canada and hopefully the EU will step in and provide citizenship Not Ruth Sep 2017 #30
People are going to start to fight Johnny2X2X Sep 2017 #31
Trump is determined to reverse everything the USA stands for. lpbk2713 Sep 2017 #33
this is what those who refused to support Clinton wanted. they WANTED Trump to win JI7 Sep 2017 #36
Without a question BainsBane Sep 2017 #42
It was about a WHITE AMERICA. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #59
6 months puts him about a year after his start,any chance that this goes in a bill as poison pork? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #38
He did want to tie it to the Wall BainsBane Sep 2017 #41
K&R betsuni Sep 2017 #47
fuck you drumpf IAMSPARTICUS Sep 2017 #48
I think you mean 'grate'. pansypoo53219 Sep 2017 #49
Even Paul Ryan is opposed to ending it. Maybe the Orange A-hole is counting on Congress Vinca Sep 2017 #50
Sen Al Franken: There were "a lot of things that ultimately Hillary did wrong." BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #54
Hillary wasn't perfect, so of course they had to vote for a fascist BainsBane Sep 2017 #58
I rarely use this but "BOOM!" JHan Sep 2017 #60
Yes, and for all the talk about corporations BainsBane Sep 2017 #62
The identity politics schtick was complete bullshit: JHan Sep 2017 #65
So you don't agree with Senator Franken, then? Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #64
None of which even begins to explain why she underperformed with key Democratic constituencies BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #66
Several problems with easy analyses like that JHan Sep 2017 #73
BAINSBANE FOR PRESIDENT! betsuni Sep 2017 #70
Everything that Bainsbane just said. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #63
No, that's not what it "sounds like." What it sounds like is a ridiculous double standard. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #72
everything that has happened since trump been elected is the consequence of beachbum bob Sep 2017 #55
HRC WAS NOT the "lesser of 2 evils". That was a moniker the media pinned on her. Fla Dem Sep 2017 #57
I don't think BB Jamaal510 Sep 2017 #71
this isnt over yet... samnsara Sep 2017 #56
I still don't see how they can do this Generic Other Sep 2017 #67
We have to pressure congress to authorize DACA BainsBane Sep 2017 #68
If one wanted endless media coverage to make the US look really bad Generic Other Sep 2017 #69

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
2. How about we keep the 788,000 good Americans
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 09:31 PM
Sep 2017

and ship away the gun humping, white supremacist, low information voting, trump supporters?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. So sad. I feel sick about it. But it's not all over for the Dreamers.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:24 AM
Sep 2017

Orrin Hatch and Paul Ryan, among many, tried to persuade Rump not to act, as this would toss this political hot potato to Congress. And they really don't need this at this time. Nearly 2/3 of Americans specifically support DACA, even more don't want to see innocent American teenagers deported.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
5. republicans passed a poison pill
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 09:35 PM
Sep 2017

Into the melting pot of America. Their morally deranged republican draft dodger in chief, has just taken a huge stinking piss into the body public.

sheshe2

(84,007 posts)
8. There is this.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 09:45 PM
Sep 2017
Obama also vowed in his last news conference at the White House on January 18 that if DACA recipients were threatened, he would consider that a time when "our core values may be at stake. The notion that we would just arbitrarily, or because of politics, punish those kids when they didn't do anything wrong themselves, I think that would merit me speaking out," Obama said at the time.



Immigration advocates already have a march and rally planned for Tuesday afternoon outside the White House.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/daca-/story?id=49574463

sheshe2

(84,007 posts)
14. Dunno. Maybe...
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:05 PM
Sep 2017

The protest or his speaking out? I think both may happen.

I seriously think they will both happen.

R B Garr

(17,009 posts)
19. I meant ending DACA. I definitely hope Obama speaks out.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:14 PM
Sep 2017

I was just thinking someone in his world would also sit Trump down about this.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
20. I don't think this will happen.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:23 PM
Sep 2017

Trump is trying to keep a promise he made to his base. What would be the
mechanism for taking these DACA folks away? A big roundup? Would
congress approve funds for this? Would the People of the US stand for this?
Where would they send these people? Bluster, Trump's strong suit.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
22. The mechanism is
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:27 PM
Sep 2017

no work permits. No funding needed for that, and I would imagine that Federal funds for attending college would be denied to those who had registered for DACA.

As I've said on other posts, this is a bargaining position. The game is to make the DACA people more valuable to the progressives, so that they will give in on some other thing that the reich wing wants.

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
32. Unfortunately, DACA itself made it trivially easy.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:03 PM
Sep 2017

Prior to DACA, people lived in the shadows and it would have been nearly impossible to identify them all - let alone deport them.

Because of process of obtaining the protection DACA, the goverment now knows the names and addresses of the nearly 800,000 individual who took advantage of it. (See, e.g. file:///C:/Users/nlr22/Downloads/i-821d.pdf)

R B Garr

(17,009 posts)
40. Yes, I guess it's just a performance for him. An internet troll shock jock
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:41 PM
Sep 2017

is who runs this country.

BainsBane

(53,112 posts)
44. They are already rounding immigrants up
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:55 PM
Sep 2017

and have been since Trump took office. I'm surprised he isn't having first responders do it in Houston.

sheshe2

(84,007 posts)
26. From what I read...
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:37 PM
Sep 2017

They tried.

Amazing. Houston is drowning. LA on fire. Irma heading to the East coast.

What does he do? Pardons a racist. Threatens NK. Destroys a dreamers dream, all 800K of them. Deportation pending? Then does a campaign rally outside flooded Houston. Then goes to Houston once again with his stiletto shod wife for a photo OP.

President Donald Trump told reporters that he is seeing "a lot of happiness,"

"It's been really nice," Trump said of the visit. "It’s been a wonderful thing. As tough as this was, it’s been a wonderful thing, I think even for the country to watch it and for the world to watch. It’s been beautiful."

When Trump was asked about the flooding, he replied, "The flooding? Oh, yeah, yeah, there’s a lot of water, but it’s leaving pretty quickly. But there’s a lot of water, a lot of water, but it’s moving out."

And as he was leaving the NRG Center, Trump told survivors to "have a good time."


http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-told-hurricane-harvey-survivors-to-have-a-good-time-while-visiting-shelter-2017-9

Ah, then he huffs and puffs trying to load a few boxes in to a pick up truck. He was out of breath with the exertion of it all.

R B Garr

(17,009 posts)
37. What a shame, then. I thought someone like Mattis could help with the insanity.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:34 PM
Sep 2017

"Have a good time, everybody." He's such a freak show. Gawd.

R B Garr

(17,009 posts)
11. This is just utter insanity. I wonder if someone will put a stop to this like
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 09:48 PM
Sep 2017

Mattis did with the Transgender ban in the military.

Trump has no policies except the "liberal tears" that we see from the RW radio dittoheads. Anything to tick people off, doesn't matter what.

tblue37

(65,527 posts)
16. Maybe Repubs in both houses will get off their butts and legislate protections for Dreamers
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:08 PM
Sep 2017

before then, with a veto-proof majority.

Nah, that won't happen.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
23. It would be interesting to see those negotiations
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:30 PM
Sep 2017

My prediction: Any bill that would enact DACA into the law of the land will have a provision that the path to citizenship would be a citizenship that would not allow the DACA citizenship recipient to use that status as a means of bringing over family members, in particular the parent(s) who brought the young person across the border in the first place.

Akoto

(4,267 posts)
25. I suspect, once we see nearly a million people start getting forcibly rounded up on TV...
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:35 PM
Sep 2017

This will break down fast. For all intents and purposes, we're talking about people who are Americans in everything but paperwork, and to no fault of their own. It won't stand for the Democrats, and it's probably too politically lethal a decision for the Republicans to defend.

What do they plan to do? Order the military to hunt them down, round them up, and ship them out Nazi-style? What about resistance from the countries they're sent to? Oh, and there's Trump's promise that he won't split up families if he does this, so the families of these kids could be deported along with them (meaning a lot more than 800k people).

It's a disaster of a decision with no good at the end of the tunnel. I don't see how it doesn't get stopped. My bet is that Congress will move quickly within the six month margin to prevent this, if only for its own political salvation. Once they make it Congressional legislation, the argument can no longer be used that DACA is unconstitutional due to President Obama having enacted it unilaterally.

Initech

(100,130 posts)
28. Everything this administration has done is a disaster.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:56 PM
Sep 2017

Nothing they have done is a good thing. And it's all to say fuck you to Obama. You'd think that the GOP would be interested in leading the country, not holding on to past grudges. Instead all they want to do is undo everything Obama did. It's fucking disgusting.

BainsBane

(53,112 posts)
43. They've already been rounding people up
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:47 PM
Sep 2017

They surrounded schools in my area, asking students and their parents for papers. They've been putting more and more people in internment camps. The DACA kids were sort of exempt from that. In six months they won't be.

So far we've seen little resistance to it. I've seen some self-proclaimed progressives (well, JPR, so take that with a grain of salt) defend Trump's immigration enforcement.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
30. It is awful, but I know that Canada and hopefully the EU will step in and provide citizenship
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:01 PM
Sep 2017

Trudeau promised an open door.

Johnny2X2X

(19,253 posts)
31. People are going to start to fight
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:02 PM
Sep 2017

Hundreds of thousands of families are about to be torn apart. Some of these people are going to start to resist violently.

What else is more worth fighting for but your families?

JI7

(89,283 posts)
36. this is what those who refused to support Clinton wanted. they WANTED Trump to win
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:19 PM
Sep 2017

and this is one of the biggest reasons.

i always said it was about the changing demographics in this country that they didn't like. it was always about white supremacy. it was never about unions , trade, health care , education etc.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
38. 6 months puts him about a year after his start,any chance that this goes in a bill as poison pork?
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:36 PM
Sep 2017

For instance, DACA gets added to a replace Obamacare bill (which died this year), so to save DACA, politicians have to replace Obamacare? Which would they choose? Because DACA supporters were never Trump voters to begin with, but it would look bad for Democrats to vote against DACA.

And again, horrible, awful, evil.

IAMSPARTICUS

(17 posts)
48. fuck you drumpf
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 12:26 AM
Sep 2017

his only goal is to undo what Obama did because Obama embarrassed him at the correspondent's dinner years ago. i'm happy to provide a safe house for DACA kids. i need some direction.

Vinca

(50,323 posts)
50. Even Paul Ryan is opposed to ending it. Maybe the Orange A-hole is counting on Congress
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 05:51 AM
Sep 2017

saving it and thinks that in the end his supporters will love him for ending it and everyone else will forget. We won't forget.

BeyondGeography

(39,393 posts)
54. Sen Al Franken: There were "a lot of things that ultimately Hillary did wrong."
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:01 AM
Sep 2017
Franken believes that Russian meddling, including the hacking of Clinton campaign emails and the deliberate distribution of fake news in social media, certainly played a part, but there were “a lot of things that ultimately Hillary did wrong”.

He explains: “I thought they played defence, especially once the Access Hollywood stuff [the infamous video in which Trump bragged about groping women] came out, which was: ‘OK, this guy, it cannot happen, all we have to do is keep saying how terrible he is, instead of saying this is our agenda.’ And I think that also there was a piece with her agenda which was very listy and white papery and not from the gut.”

Clinton was also accused of playing “identity politics” by embracing racial, religious and sexual minorities at the expense of the white working class in states such as Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, all of which she narrowly lost. Franken blames the right for trying to drive a wedge between progressives and so-called economic populists like Sanders.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/03/al-franken-interview-donald-trump-comedy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Sounds like Franken believes the main reason we have a President Trump is we were outplayed at the top of our ticket and as a Party. Every time Trump does something appalling we have these told-you-so threads that fail to acknowledge the one really big thing that might have prevented all that: a better performance by our nominee. Carry on.

BainsBane

(53,112 posts)
58. Hillary wasn't perfect, so of course they had to vote for a fascist
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:36 PM
Sep 2017

She was only the most qualified, competent candidate to seek the office in a lifetime, but she wasn't perfect, which totally explains why the people you defend just had to vote for a Nazi apologist and sexual predator. She ran on "identity politics," but not the the right kind of "identity politics" that Trump did. She had the audacity to speak to the concerns of the poor, people of color, and the marginalized.
She didn't build a campaign around coddling the egos of privileged white men furious that they only earn 4x the average income of African Americans, that they only are in the upper.03% of global incomes. She dared to talk about poverty rather than cater to white male entitlement, and that made her imperfect, so imperfect that those voters just had to vote for a slate of racist policies.

Well, now that you explain it, it makes perfect sense that those people voted to deported 800,000 dreamers and countless more immigrants. Of course they had to put a billionaire con artist who promised massive tax cuts for the rich and corporations. Of course they just had to vote for a Nazi sympathizer supported by legions of White Supremacist who decried "Jew SA," and talked about how they would burn Jewish reporters in ovens. Voters bear no responsibility for their own choices. They were forced to vote to deliver the country to fascism because Hillary wasn't perfect. The "identity politics" made them vote to punish the dreamers, African Americans, LGBT Americans, and women. How can they be expected to tolerate a party that represents all Americans when they are the only ones who matter? How dare the Democratic Party act like Democrats when their responsibility is to recapture the days of the KKK, the party of Orvil Faubus, when the only "identity politics" was one of segregation, which is exactly what Trump and Stein voters chose.

I wonder what the remedy is to ensure that Democrats never again address the concerns of anyone who isn't white, male and propertied? I know. Make sure those identity politics Americans can't vote. Voter disenfranchisement, the very cause now being championed by Nomiki Konst: replace primaries with caucuses, the system with the lowest turn out, the system most prohibitive to voters of color---those "identity politics" Americans who just don't vote right. Make voting impossible for shift workers, the elderly, the disabled, the poor, and women with childcare obligations. Take a page from the GOP. Target the exact same voters for the exact same reasons. If you can't win with the electorate as it exists, make sure only the right sort of people can vote vote so white men don't have to be saddled with the horror of politicians who dare to speak to the interests of people whose lives just don't count--the majority of the population.

Yes, Hillary wasn't perfect. She has the wrong chromosomes, and she failed to cater to white male resentment. Of course those who voted for racist policies had no choice. And now, they have no choice but to ensure that the poor, shift workers, the disabled, elderly, and people of color are purged form the Democratic primary process, so that they can finally get an electorate that knows how to vote right.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
60. I rarely use this but "BOOM!"
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:09 PM
Sep 2017

Isn't it typical we've come full circle once again, isn't it typical that some Democrats are determined to prove what many PoC feared once Democrats lost the election - isn't it TYPICAL.

I am not at all surprised at all the hot takes. It was expected.

EDIT: They had to vote for a sexual predator, a racist and a vile human being, because at least he was being an authentic vile human being, at least he was authentically lying (?????????? )---------- the bullshit people tell themselves to rationalize fuckery.

BainsBane

(53,112 posts)
62. Yes, and for all the talk about corporations
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:18 PM
Sep 2017

Have we seen any effort to curb corporate interests? Any proposal? What have we seen: arguments that the party should back away from civil rights and reproductive rights, and efforts to restrict the franchise in the primary process. And of course systematically targeting every person of color and woman in public office.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
65. The identity politics schtick was complete bullshit:
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:26 PM
Sep 2017

And where was it?

While Trump sledged an American judge of mexican heritage, called mexicans rapists, played to white grievance, The Democratic Platform focused on wages, Criminal Justice Reform, Education, Infrastructure investment..and YES jobs... etc etc etc ALL of those issues benefit white "working class" people.

... or was the problem saying "black lives matter" - is this what hardened them? talking about immigrants as though they were human beings instead of "aliens"....Talking about Trump's sexism - are these things not allowed now? Who benefits from not discussing these things, from not putting them on the front burner? Whose feelings get protected?


BeyondGeography

(39,393 posts)
66. None of which even begins to explain why she underperformed with key Democratic constituencies
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:57 PM
Sep 2017

Via Jay Newton-Small, the author of Broad Influence: How Women Are Changing the Way America Works:

Clinton herself talked about how she wasn’t a natural politician like her husband and President Obama. She’s never had the moving oratory skills they both possess. This isn’t uncommon amongst female leaders. Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meier, Angela Merkel—all are pragmatists known more for getting things done than for soaring inspiration. Clinton, though, ended up playing the hectoring housewife at times to Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, lecturing them on their pie-in-the-sky ideas. As one young woman before the New Hampshire primary put it to me: Going to a Hillary rally was like going on a date with an actuary. You knew what she was saying was important, but it was really boring. Young women craved to be swept off their feet: They wanted to join a movement, yet Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Beyoncé weren’t going to sway them. Overall, Clinton won young voters with 55 percent of the vote, but that’s less than Obama’s 60 percent in 2012, and it’s a safe bet than many of the 7 million voters who stayed home this time were young.

After more than 30 years in the national spotlight, Clinton was also perceived as an elite. And it didn’t help that she ran her campaign as a third Obama term, hoping to piggyback on his popularity with young and minority voters. Exit interviews with Latina voters, who supported Obama to the tune of 76 percent in 2012 but Clinton with only 68 percent in 2016, showed they found her out of touch. In a year defined by anti-establishmentarianism, Obama’s coattails and Clinton’s insider record conspired to turn off enough minority women voters at the margins to make a difference.

http://time.com/4566748/hillary-clinton-firewall-women/

JHan

(10,173 posts)
73. Several problems with easy analyses like that
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 07:53 AM
Sep 2017

Last edited Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:54 AM - Edit history (2)

1) nothing in that article refutes the germane points of Bains' post.

2) the UK, Israel and Germany are different systems of government - there is no electoral college. Clinton lost three critical states by 1 point and won the popular vote by 3 million ( or 2.9) As Nate Silver rightly observed, before the Comey letter hit Clinton looked as though she would win those states by 2 points. If she had she would have won the election and her strategy looks great. And that article you post would not have been written.

2) selectively choosing what a few people said in an exit poll is not the full picture - that's pushing a narrative and a meme. Clinton voters were hardly profiled last year- fact. I can find different, more positive, assessments of Hillary the candidate.

3) the "hectoring housewife" - you mean she dared ask how shit will get done in debate scenarios where the moderators, and media, couldn't be arsed to ask those questions and where the election itself became a shit circus show?

4) "it didn't help she ran her campaign as a third Obama term" "piggyback his popularity" - how did Bush Snr run his campaign after Reagan? Did he distance himself from Reagan? it was an election about the continuation of democratic leadership for a third term, it was about incumbency. How did this need to be pointed out? That article is antagonistic spin.

And none of this excuses mistakes the Clinton campaign made , as Charlie P wrote it was an average campaign but not the worst he's ever seen as some love to claim. Clinton herself admits to flaws. I wasn't happy with all of it , there were times I wanted Clinton to go more on the offense, there were times I wanted her to control the narrative better, EDIT: Most importantly, I wanted the Democratic Party to have a response to weaponized AI and data analytics used by the Mercers, we lost the meme wars...

...... but the reality also is that her opponent was and remains a fascistic sexual predator. Voters bear responsibility for the choices they make.

And Clinton herself was far from terrible - count me in as a young female who finds her an inspiration and women I knew who were even skeptical of her before the election grew to admire and respect her as the campaign wore on, particularly in the debates.

SunSeeker

(51,787 posts)
72. No, that's not what it "sounds like." What it sounds like is a ridiculous double standard.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 12:04 AM
Sep 2017

That Guardian piece gushes about how "boring worked" to get Al Franken elected, but criticized Hillary for doing the same thing. When a man gets wonky, it's brilliant. When a woman gets wonky, it's an inadequate "performance."

We have tons of threads picking apart Hillary and expounding on the 2016 post mortem. They are all here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1251

Coming into this thread to malign Hilllary's "performance" as the "really big thing" that caused her loss is wrong on so many levels.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
55. everything that has happened since trump been elected is the consequence of
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:18 AM
Sep 2017

"not supporting the lesser of 2 evils"...job well done stein supporters....and this is only 8 months into his admin with much much more to come....

Fla Dem

(23,855 posts)
57. HRC WAS NOT the "lesser of 2 evils". That was a moniker the media pinned on her.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:01 PM
Sep 2017

Until she announced to run for president, HRC received almost nothing but praise from many quarters for both her stint as a US Senator and as Sec of State. The RW machine set in motion the whole Benghazi fiasco and the email debacle. Those 2 mostly manufactured scandals hung like a noose around her neck and gave the media something to use to say "what about" when comparing a truly corrupt Trump and HRC.

Actually, I'm almost happy she didn't win. With a Republican congress she may not have been able to get her agenda through. The Republicans would obstructed everything she tried to do and then call her a failed President, just like they did with Obama. Yes we lost a SCJ seat (heartbroken over that and it was Obama's to appoint), and Trump has rolled back a number of significant Obama executive orders. But then again, Trump is slowly destroying the Republican party and that's a good thing.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
71. I don't think BB
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:52 PM
Sep 2017

was calling her that, but was instead quoting the idiotic rantings from the 3rd party supporters.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
67. I still don't see how they can do this
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:26 PM
Sep 2017

A fleet of busses? A FEMA processing center? Tent cities? A refugee camp across the border? It just seems ludicrous.

And curse any citizens who lift a finger to help them do this.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
69. If one wanted endless media coverage to make the US look really bad
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:34 PM
Sep 2017

Anything related to this hateful idea will be hard to top.

I will be calling Congress all day tomorrow.

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