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Reuters, via the Toronto Star:
CAIRO—Protesters threw tomatoes and shoes at U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s motorcade on Sunday during her first visit to Egypt since the election of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi.
A tomato struck an Egyptian official in the face, and shoes and a water bottle landed near the armoured cars carrying Clinton’s delegation in the port city of Alexandria.
A senior State Department official said that neither Clinton nor her vehicle, which were around the corner from the incident, were struck by any of the projectiles.
Protesters chanted: “Monica, Monica,” a reference to former president Bill Clinton’s extramarital affair in the mid-1990s. Some chanted “leave, Clinton,” Egyptian security officials said. ...............(more)
The complete piece is at: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1226803--hillary-clinton-motorcade-pelted-with-tomatoes-shoes-in-egypt
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demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)disgusting turds
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)They should be kissing our asses!
Iggy
(1,418 posts)were they at least designer shoes of some sort? 
Rhiannon12866
(205,467 posts)This is considered to be the highest form of insult. 
Iggy
(1,418 posts)that was freakin hilarious!! and it was deserved in that case.
In this case, I'm not sure.. what I do know is that early on in the Egyptian uprising, HRC and
the other powers that be (who supported the dicktator Mubarek for decades) weren't all
that pleased with the regime change.
I'm still not convinced we're on the right side here
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)who still give more than a billion dollars in aid to the Egyptian military junta? Who supported Mubarak every step of the way until the final week of his rule? Who are now doing all to prop up the gerontocratic military junta that has shot dead hunreds of protesters and imprisoned thousands of revolutionaries in summary military trials?
"Monica, Monica" is probably the only call-out from the crowd that the article writer understood.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)We can debate American policy in Egypt but that is a separate issue.
The protesters were protesting against the revolution. They believed Mubarak should have been supported then and the military should be supported now against the elected government.
Are you agreeing with these protesters?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)http://www.google.com/search?q=%22It+was+not+clear+who+the+protesters+were+or+what+political+affiliations+they+had.%22&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&oq=%22It+was+not+clear+who+the+protesters+were+or+what+political+affiliations+they+had.%22&gs_l=serp.3...152466.154800.0.156470.3.3.0.0.0.0.289.387.2j0j1.3.0...0.0...1c.31TnpsS_ppoa
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)teddy51
(3,491 posts)the US is not so loved all over the world, as we may have thought.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)fantasy there. 
teddy51
(3,491 posts)through the many US Governments ( Democratic or Republican) we have spread our hate and filth. Since 2000 we have managed to increase the hate toward our country, and have increased terrorism ten fold.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
teddy51
(3,491 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You didn't even have to click the link to get to that.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)The Clinton administration wholeheartedly supported Mubarak when he had an iron grip over the country.
People tend to remember these kind of things.
snot
(10,529 posts)But I hope that this overture by the U.S. might possibly be a small opening to better policy and relations. But it will take a lot of perseverance, not to mention better intentions than we've evinced in the past.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)That is an interesting philosophy you have there.
Don
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)I say something to someone and when I look its always you doing the answering for them.
You have a problem?
Don
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)to you, i said Hilary clinton is not a "wife," she's the Secretary of State. If she can't deal with tomatoes and needs a big man to protect her tender sensibilities she should be in a different job.
But actually, i think she's quite tough.
Oh, & PS: I think you'd better review your posts, because you & I have had only one conversation, and your claim that i'm stalking you is bullshit.
teddy51
(3,491 posts)US is not exactly stellar in this big world, although we might think that we are.
We start fires, and then bitch cause we can't put them out. How about we mind our own f**king business for a change!
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)So no, it's not fair to blame someone for the actions of their spouse (unless they were involved in it).
teddy51
(3,491 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)her for whatever they want: she's in power.
She's not in power as clinton's fucking wife. She's in power on her own accord, as the maker and representative of US foreign power.
"Not fair" doesn't come into power politics. if she wants to be wifey-poo, she should quit. if you want to treat her as wifey-poo when someone is mean to her...
words fail me.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)No shit she's not just Bill Clinton's wife now. She is a legitimate target of protests for those who want to protest US foreign policy now. Fine.
But the OP of this subthread said, "The Clinton administration wholeheartedly supported Mubarak when he had an iron grip over the country." That is what I was referring to re: "blaming" for the past actions of her husband's administration in Egypt (unless she was involved).
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)or lincolns.
she's secretary of state.
NYC Liberal
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Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)Let's be serious at this point given what the US has done to Egypt the Secretary of State no matter who she or was, whether it be Condelezza Rice or Madame Albright or Alexander fucking Haig, would be getting pelted with shoes.
We don't some not so very nice things there and are still doing them.
I don't know why DUers don't get it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that happens regularly... it goes with the job.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Canuckistanian (40,600 posts)
6. Understandable, really
The Clinton administration wholeheartedly supported Mubarak when he had an iron grip over the country.
People tend to remember these kind of things.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but she is ALSO representing the administration of one Barack Obama, who is blamed by a few for the Muslim Brotherhood.
And the United States is not that popular abroad. I know, like shocking.
The days of Kennedy being received with large crowds in oh Mexico City for example, are gone, long gone, by generations at this point.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)against the current elected government?
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)If you have other information please share, but the article said their political affiliation was unclear, but they seemed to be against the Muslim Brotherhood. They doesn't necessary translate into pro-military and pro-Mubarak thought it doesn't preclude it as well.
There were many factions involved in the Revolution who were neither pro-military nor pro-Brotherhood given that never party really represents the revolution.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)headline, "Bush wins even under recount", guts of the article "IN a full recount, Gore would have won". Here is the relevant part of the piece:
"It was not clear who the protesters were or what political affiliations they might have. Protesters outside Clinton’s hotel on Saturday night chanted anti-Islamist slogans, accusing the United States of backing the Muslim Brotherhood’s rise to power."
Muslim Brotherhood folks are not upset at the US Government. Its the pro-Mubarak, pro-military folks who feel they didnt get the support they wanted.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)feel like they got what they want. There was an organized boycott of the election which was between the Muslim Brotherhood candidate and a former Mubarak lackey. It's not "pro-Mubarak" or "pro-Muslim Brotherhood."
Given that you don't seem to know very much about the political situation in Egypt maybe you should stop making inferences based on information that doesn't exist.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)you should listen and read the articles that give all points of view instead of clinging to your obvious agenda.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)I've never said you were wrong. I said you don't have the facts to make that claim while conceding it could be correct. You continued to make the assertion because the protestors were anti-Muslim Brotherhood they must be pro-Mubarak. I posted you English language statements from pro-Revolution groups that were being repressed by both the military and the Muslim Brotherhood, as well as coverage of the Egyptian Revolution.
And by the way. I spent today googling "pro-Mubarak protestors" in Egypt and couldn't find anything other than the incident when pro-Mubarak protestors swept in on horseback and beat the shit out of people in Tahir Square.
I did find this article with the headline "Liberal and Christian figures, groups protest Clinton's Egypt visit." http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/47782/Egypt/Politics-/Liberal-and-Christian-figures,-groups-protest-Clin.aspx
They were organized by pro-Revolution political parties (per this article), although apparently some Mubarak supporters joined in. So I guess if I was being generous I could say you were partially right. However, what they are protesting is an alleged secret deal in which the US put the Muslim Brotherhood (or allowed them to come to power) so long as they adopt a pro-Israel stance.
So now that we have facts are you going to stop repeating your bullshit claim that this was a pro-Mubarak protest of people angry at the US for supporting an election?
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)We have posters here who will go to great lengths to damage the Obama administration with no shame whatsoever.
Don
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)whatsoever.
I was born and raised abroad.... this falls in the category of Yankee go home.
It is an OLD tradition.
Re-read what I told you... the days when the US was very popular abroad and large crowds came to see the President are gone. We were there when Obama visited Mexico City... the "crowds" that he saw, which were very small, were pre screened. He never took a car around, all was done on Marine One (guess which of the five choppers is Marine One)...
It is a reality... the US is NOT as popular abroad as it once was... live with it or not... I really don't give two shits about it.
But this is also a sign of a declining Empire, and yes the MEXICAN press made comments on the PROJECTION OF FORCE to protect the president. I guess they also want to damage the President and are Obama haters.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Brotherhood.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)and the Muslim Brotherhood.
Plus given that the military is still getting military aid from the US in opposition to calls from some Egyptian activists it seems really bizarre their supporters would be upset at us. It's not impossible, but given that there's no evidence I am not jumping to this conclusion.
Check out some facts--not everyone in Egypt is either for Mubarak or the Muslim Brotherhood:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-mohamed-morsi-is-no-revolutionary-and-not-much-of-a-nationalist-the-army-elite-has-already-laid-traps-for-him-7879773.html
http://socialistworker.org/2012/06/15/attack-on-the-revolution
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/0/30113/Egypt/0/Muslim-Brotherhood-member-files-lawsuit-against--R.aspx
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=28595
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I know, shocking.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)This has nothing to do "tormenting wives"
The Egyptian people suffered under a tyrannical ruler for decades - and the US did NOTHING but support that dictator.
Bill Clinton was one of those enablers. And to family oriented Egyptians, Hillary is part of his clan.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Response to marmar (Original post)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:35 PM
Canuckistanian (40,602 posts)
6. Understandable, really
The Clinton administration wholeheartedly supported Mubarak when he had an iron grip over the country.
People tend to remember these kind of things.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)And she is there representing the US.
So . . .
And besides "we are the president".
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)The one she's part of now helped oust Mubarak, so...
teddy51
(3,491 posts)no good standing in the world, either from the George W Bush Admin or the Obama Admin.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)The U.S. is in a no-win position. Had they stayed quiet throughout the whole Arab Spring, we would've been condemned for supporting Mubarak. Had we taken a very active role, as we did in Libya, we would've been condemned as warmongers. It's a no-win all around.
The U.S. can't do anything right in anyone'e eyes and it's been like this long before Bush took office. But whatever. I mean, these were the same idiots who were urging outside help to get rid of Mubarak! haha
No consistency.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)But like I said, they'll blame us for everything. It's the way things work. The U.S. is the devil, no matter what they do. They could press Mubarak to leave and do everything in their power to get him out and they'd still be accused of something else. Had they done the opposite, had they thrown their support behind Mubarak, they would've been criticized for that. Had they remained quiet, which so many DUers advocate (we don't need to meddle in other people's business), we'd be crucified for that.
So, whatever. It's just a shame they have to use thuggish tactics to intimidate. Must've gotten that from Mubarak.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)at great personal risk to bring democracy to their country and oust the torturing repressive Muburak regime. When Clinton said that, it was well known that Muburak was a torturer and a killer. I don't have torturers and killers as family friends. Do you?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)To his neighbors in Norwood Park, Gacy became known as a gregarious, helpful individual: active in his local community and, from 1974, hosting annual summer parties.[64] He also became active in Democratic Party politics, initially offering the labor services of his PDM employees free of charge.[65] Gacy was rewarded for his community services by being appointed to serve upon the Norwood Park Township street lighting committee.[66] He subsequently earned the title of precinct captain.[67] In 1975, Gacy was appointed director of Chicago's annual Polish Constitution Day Parade — an annual event he was to supervise from 1975 until 1978. Through his work with the parade, Gacy met and was photographed with then First Lady Rosalynn Carter on May 6, 1978.[68] Rosalynn Carter signed one photo: "To John Gacy. Best wishes. Rosalynn Carter".[69] The event later became an embarrassment to the United States Secret Service, as in the pictures taken Gacy can be seen wearing an "S" pin, indicating a person who has received a special clearance by the Secret Service.[70]
Gacy as "Pogo the Clown"Through joining a local Moose Club, Gacy became aware of a "Jolly Joker" clown club whose members — dressed as clowns — would regularly perform at fundraising events and parades in addition to voluntarily entertaining hospitalized children.[71] By late 1975, Gacy had joined the Jolly Jokers and had created his own performance character, "Pogo the Clown".[65] Gacy designed his own costumes and taught himself how to apply clown makeup.[65] The sharp corners Gacy painted at the edges of his mouth are contrary to the rounded borders that professional clowns normally employ, so as not to scare children.[65] Gacy is known to have performed as Pogo at numerous local parties and charitable events, and although he often spoke of entertaining at children's hospitals, there is no evidence of his doing so.[65] Gacy is also known to have arrived, dressed in his clowning garb, at a favorite drinking venue named "The Good Luck Lounge" on several occasions with the explanation he had just performed as Pogo and was stopping for a social drink before heading home.[72]
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)You've got to be kidding me. Both Obama and Biden were calling on him to stay in power for the first part of the Arab Spring and after they left the US has been backing the SCAF.
That's some serious revisionist history.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)I don't get why people are shocked or disgusted.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)and against the current elected government.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the population is split and those coming are in favor of the deposed government, where exactly have I seen that before? Everywhere where a situation like this has developed. It is like very common... they BLAME the CURRENT administration for the Muslim Brotherhood, and the military ran the country, even determining who got jobs where, and how for more than two generations.
Jesus, I am surprised people are shocked I tell you, that independent actors abroad are like expressing their anger or something.
Here is the first mistake you are making, serious, reality has nothing to do with their anger, or at least your perceived reality. They blame the US for the Muslim Brotherhood and more than a few... because of the patronage system, are afraid of losing their livelihood, and in a country with very high levels of unemployment you think that is that crazy?
Oh and the shoes are extremely symbolic in the Middle East by the way... the tomatoes were more for the WESTERN press.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The person to whom I replied made the suggestion that the protests were the result of US support for Mubarak and the military. That is not the case.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the only way to actually find out is to actually walk into that crowd and talk to them. I don't about you, but we are a tad far to do that.
What is a fact, is that this was a classic, Yankee Go HOME moment. Having grown abroad, it has that very familiar tone.
I will not be surprised or shocked to see graffiti to the effect either.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Muslim Brotherhood folks are too busy governing and making sure they can govern to bother with protesting Hillary right now.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It had that familiar tone... that is not familiar to Americans... that is the point I am making.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Seems like these folks had a particular agenda that runs contrary to how many commenters want to spin it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Fact is, to me at least, this has nothing to do with US politics, but all to do with INTERNAL Egyptian politics. It may be as simple, again I am not there to check on this... as SCAF getting the usual suspects, and lining them along the road and giving them shoes and tomatoes.
Then it could be people who are afraid of losing their jobs.
But it is INTERNAL to Egypt, and it has to do with EGYPT. That is my point. And the anger by people in the US is quite misplaced, because this happens so often it is not even funny.
Yup, I have seen them happen out of thin air when visiting Mexico City... for example.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)but you have nothing to back up this claim other than inferences based on an extremely ignorant and misinformed view of the internal situation in Egypt or the Egyptian revolution i.e. the only two choices anyone can support are the military and Mubarak (and are thus against the revolution and free elections) or the Muslim Brotherhood (which is the all embodiment of the revolution and only position supporters of free elections can hold).
Are you getting your information from Fox News?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)to know the situation on the ground and clearly don't. It's obvious.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)but would never even dare dream of throwing shit at their representative.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)for the time after she's no longer SOS, and the whole "Arab Spring" thing goes to hell in a handbasket. At that point, she can say, "See, I wasn't really part of it, our enemies hate me, too."
She's just hoping that nothing else goes wrong for the next four to six months that it will take to find a successor. Whether or not Obama wins or loses, her plan is to say in 2016, "I was the part of the Obama Administration that actually functioned!"
ilikeitthatway
(143 posts)I was warned about this happening two days ago by a couple of Egyptians. They were waiting for her, getting things ready. Sickening.
They're blaming Obama and Hillary for the Muslim Brotherhood getting power.
They actually wanted Mubarak in power, at least a lot of people did for fear of what would happen subsequently. Now, they all want 'a Mubarak' in power. The ones who were pushing for his overthrow, are now having a change of heart.
I've read their propaganda, and basically anything that happens in that country, they believe America has had its hands in. Thus, they believe that the current result is Obama and Hillary's fault. They believe America removed Mubarak and in its place put in new players to do our bidding.
The cheers by the Right proclaiming that this shows that the world no longer respects America because of Obama, just makes my head explode and chuckle at the same time. Do they realize the damage their guy did?!
Hey, if Obama's a Muslim, shouldn't he be greeted with candy and roses by the Middle East?
God, the Right is pathetic.
Back to the Egyptians, the CIA has done damage, but Egypt is just looking for a scapegoat.
It's stuff like this that pushes me to again say that America needs to get out of the Middle East completely.
Everything needs to be cut off, and funneling any money or resources to that region should be a federal offense.
It'll never happen thanks to Capitalism.
Doesn't the majority of our oil come from Canada?
We need to go Green to get off this crap! We could go totally natural in ten years time if we started now. Of course the fat cat Repugs are in the pockets of big oil, and some on the Left. Let's not leave them out as well.
America is just funding its downfall.
All of this is just going to get worse with the world's economy sinking. More and more angry people looking for anyone to blame.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)ilikeitthatway
(143 posts)But you could regulate what comes in and out.
None of this will ever happen though.
We all know it.
It's sadly going to take another 9/11 to get Americans to wake up and demand receipts!
Look at Raygun arming and training the Taliban.
ode2joi
(26 posts)It's called Full-Spectrum Dominance.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)by the Reagan Administration when the Russians were their enemy... a few ground to air missiles that they used to shoot down helicopters, and CIA assets in country.
Watch Charlie Wilson's War for a short primer on this.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)ilikeitthatway
(143 posts)Come on now.
Their info is coming from wackos, ironically enough, some of our own stationed in the US. They're getting it off the web.
They're blasting the US over untruths.
At least blast us for something we've actually done.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)fault of the us.
for quite a while:
In the CIA, the project to overthrow King Farouk, known internally known as "Project FF [Fat Fucker]",[9] was initiated by CIA operative Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. The CIA was disappointed in King Farouk for not improving the functionality and usefulness of his government[10] and had actively supported the toppling of King Farouk by the Free Officers.[11] Finally, on 23 July 1952, the Free Officers Movement under Muhammad Naguib and Gamal Abdel Nasser staged a military coup that launched the Egyptian Revolution of 1952..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouk_of_Egypt
teddy51
(3,491 posts)We just don't seem to be able to mind our own F**king business, and never have. The only time that I can think that, that was a good thing was with the second world war.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)Number two or three at the time of his departure (Israel is number one and I think Colombia--the trade union murder capital of the world might have received more US guns).
The Egyptian military is still getting military aid from the US and it's still being used pretty much the same way.
KG
(28,751 posts)
frogmarch
(12,154 posts)Disgusting. Why were protesters chanting "Monica"? Did they think Bill was the Clinton who was there? Regardless, geesh, what a bunch of a-holes.
teddy51
(3,491 posts)
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)Whenever a Country acts like that, we should say.. MMMkay, you're on your own, no more aid.
teddy51
(3,491 posts)done this with so many other countries, so what goes around comes around in spades.
We are no where near done with "What goes around". In fact it has only just begun, so get used to it.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)for the military is exactly why they are angry.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)and then we have the nerve to get offended when they throw shoes at our S.O.S. Something doesn't add up.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)crowd are out in full force. With so little information contained in the article, they've advanced all kinds of conspiracy theories, except one. Could it possibly be that these were Mubarak loyalists, who were not part of, and wanted absolutely nothing to do with the Arab Spring? Food for thought.
I'm sure you know this, but not everything you read here can be believed. Many Egyptians thought life was just fine under Mubarak's rule, and they despise us for what they perceive as our role in his removal. And if some of the Arab Spring participants are unhappy and now have second thoughts, it has absolutely nothing to do with us. The Brotherhood won the election? That's what democracy looks like. 
marmar
(77,081 posts)Hannity couldn't have said it better.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
ilikeitthatway
(143 posts)What that actually means is "Never Take Responsibility." We can disagree without shutting people down with nationalist chants in order to make everyone "feel good" about the US.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)You have to know there are people inside the US whose first allegiance may or may not be to their adopted country. I mean, we've seen examples of it. But if the kneejerk reaction whenever there's a hotspot in the world is to blame the US for it, causes me to think that it's just a default position for some.
Look, let's be real for a moment. We're never gonna be "loved around the world", we're an awfully big target. There are posts in this thread that seem to celebrate the decline of the US. No matter who's in power, I don't ever want to celebrate something like that. If that makes me a "centrist", then sobeit. This may sound naive to some, but trust is a biggie for me. I never trusted Bush/Cheney. I implicitly trust Obama/Biden.
Riddle me this? If we're so "hated around the world", why is Syria begging us to take the lead in solving the crisis in Syria? I watched Fareed Zakaria, and the Syrian diplomat he had on Sunday, was scolding the WH for not taking the lead, and disregarding Russia and China's objections. This was a Syrian, saying that the US is the only country who can put a stop to the bloodshed. I invite you to look up Sunday's show. I was flabbergasted at the amount of responsibility this guy was placing on us to fix their problem. Not the UK; Not Germany; Not France; but the U.S.
I invite the rest of the world who "hate us so much", to stop asking us for favors.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)I was just curious if you realized you had done it.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Prometheus Bound
(3,489 posts)But that sounded too mild for the Reuters headline writer I guess.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)Egypt that our used by the military to crush democracy protestors.
Seriously, I can't believe some of the people on this board don't get it.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
teddy51
(3,491 posts)on one hand, and shooting them down in the next. This Empire is F**ked, whether you agree or not. We are not long for the world. Just like Rome, and not certain who will fall with us; UK, Canada, Germany, who knows?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
choie
(4,111 posts)people on this board would understand it if they had protested a member of the Bush administration, but do not understand why they do so to a member of the Obama administration. Do you really think that the U.S.' interventionist policy (either overt or covert) has changed much? Come on - we fucking send drones over to countries, which kill innocent civilians, we still refuse to be a part of the International Criminal Court, among many, many other ongoing contemptuous and murderous actions all under the Obama presidency.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)they are not supporters of the arab spring or the currently elected government.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)...as recently as Feb 3rd, 2011. The President was so furious at the little coup that Clinton and Wisner had planned that he had to enlist help from John Kerry to distance himself from their bullshit back-patting of a dictator.
[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom: none; border-radius: 0.3846em 0.3846em 0em 0em; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"]In U.S. Signals to Egypt, Obama Straddled a Rift[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top: none; border-radius: 0em 0em 0.3846em 0.3846em; background-color: #f4f4f4; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"] WASHINGTON — Last Saturday afternoon, President Obama got a jarring update from his national security team: With restive crowds of young Egyptians demanding President Hosni Mubarak’s immediate resignation, Frank G. Wisner, Mr. Obama’s envoy to Cairo, had just told a Munich conference that Mr. Mubarak was indispensable to Egypt’s democratic transition.
Mr. Obama was furious, and it did not help that his secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Mr. Wisner’s key backer, was publicly warning that any credible transition would take time — even as Mr. Obama was demanding that change in Egypt begin right away.
Seething about coverage that made it look as if the administration were protecting a dictator and ignoring the pleas of the youths of Cairo, the president “made it clear that this was not the message we should be delivering,” said one official who was present. He told Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. to take a hard line with his Egyptian counterpart, and he pushed Senator John Kerry to counter the message from Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Wisner when he appeared on a Sunday talk show the next day.
That's less than a week before Suleiman announced Mubarak had resigned. Lotta revisionism going on in this thread.
PB
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)She replied, in part:
“No. It’s an annual report. It is not in any way connected. We look forward to President Mubarak coming as soon as his schedule would permit. I had a wonderful time with him this morning. I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States.”
cliss
(10,296 posts)and we lost. I've been following the story of the upcoming election in Egypt. The US clearly supported Mr. Shafik. He was a crony of Mubarak. The US hoped he would win, even though he was part of the hated former dictator. I read in the WSJ that John Kerry flew to Egypt, and only spoke with Shafik.
Amazingly, the election was close (that's how you win, by a narrow margin). The election was contested, with both men claiming victory. But the popular support was too much. Mohammed Morsi won, with about 52%.
So I think the State Department just had an enormous defeat. They could probably tell the support was too strong, they didn't want another riot.
So now Clinton has her hands full trying to get Mr. Morsi to do her bidding. I"m sure it doesn't help her image to have demonstrators throwing tomatoes.
I've read comments in the WSJ: they are nervous as hell. The British press too, there are fear-filled commentaries about the muslim brotherhood, fanatics, etc.
Downtown Hound
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Vidar
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annabanana
(52,791 posts)Who were they?
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Please parse the crowd.. "news" people.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)shoes are very symbolic in the ME... tomatoes not so much.
That said, they also did a classic yankee go home... so all but shocked.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This does not seem like the typical Yankee Go Home stuff.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)Everybody called him out... Being gleeful about something like this really exposes that your politics are motivated more by personal hatred than actual ideas and understandings of policy.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Most people seemed cool with it when it happened last time.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3644551
ilikeitthatway
(143 posts)False analogy, friend!
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)
In his 8 years as president he managed to kill 1/7th of the world's population? If that was his only goal as president, to kill as many people as possible, AND he was competent, I doubt he could have killed that many people (without using nukes).
How many deaths must one be responsible for before show-throwing is out of bounds? No doubt, A BILLION is certainly over that line, but I'm just wondering where the line is.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but a billion people is well, too high by orders of magnitude.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)These protesters were NOT pro Muslim Brotherhood. They were pro Mubarak and thought that the US had a hand in ousting him.
The sexist creeps can go to hell!!! Then again, considering the many women who were sexually assaulted in Tahrir Square and the Lara Logan incident, the chants of "Monica, Monica" should not come as a surprise. They don't respect women much. After the logan incident women were interviewed on the streets and said that they were constantly harassed.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)the US made a secret deal with the Muslim Brotherhood that brought them to power so long as they take a pro-Israel stance. Some supporters of Mubarak joined in, sort of like how Lyndon LaRouchers used to join anti-Iraq War protests.
Facts are our friends. http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/47782/Egypt/Politics-/Liberal-and-Christian-figures,-groups-protest-Clin.aspx
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Support a despot and most likely the people who suffered under him won't remember you kindly.
Beacool
(30,250 posts) 