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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:26 AM Sep 2017

Police Shoot Man For Recording Them With Phone, They Feared For Their Lives

Sheriff’s deputies in California claimed they feared for their lives after shooting a man who was filming them from his own garage.

The Sacramento sheriff’s deputies shot Danny Sanchez on Friday. Sanchez is currently in the hospital at the UC Davis Medical Center, where he underwent surgery to remove bullet fragments, according to his father, John Sanchez.

The shooting occurred when the Sheriff’s department SWAT team showed up to arrest a neighbor, Ben Ledford, 62, after he fired off an illegal machine gun from across the street.

When Sanchez saw the incident, and the SWAT team converge, he began recording from his garage. He assumed there wouldn’t be any problem, since he was so far away from the incident, on his own property and even out on the edge of the garage.

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http://truthfight.com/police-shoot-man-recording-phone-feared-lives/

Also on a related note:
Ohio news photographer reportedly shot by deputy

A small Ohio news organization said one of its photographers was shot by a sheriff’s deputy Monday night while he set up to take pictures of a random traffic stop.

Andy Grimm “had his camera in his hand” when he was shot in his side by a Clark County sheriff’s deputy in New Carlisle, which north of Dayton, The New Carlisle News said in a Facebook post.

He was rushed to Miami Valley Hospital for surgery and is expected to recover.

Grimm had left the newsroom around 10 p.m. on Monday to take pictures of a lightning storm, the paper said. While he was taking pictures, a traffic stop occurred on the same road, according to the article.



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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/05/ohio-news-photographer-reportedly-shot-by-deputy-while-setting-up-to-take-pictures-traffic-stop.html

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Police Shoot Man For Recording Them With Phone, They Feared For Their Lives (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2017 OP
To all those questioning why this happened: ret5hd Sep 2017 #1
+100. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #4
People always forget the second half of that phrase: Saviolo Sep 2017 #15
yeah i got over that ages ago. barbtries Sep 2017 #16
So now it's shoot first, then ask questions? Great. neeksgeek Sep 2017 #2
Notice how the Fox News comments exboyfil Sep 2017 #3
Yes only outrage of a white woman shot by a black cop is allowed in the comments @FOX lunasun Sep 2017 #6
Wait til they get the extra military gear . They can scope you out and there won't be any misses lunasun Sep 2017 #5
No - they feared for their jobs. BlueIdaho Sep 2017 #7
That'll teach them IronLionZion Sep 2017 #8
No one on Earth is more terrified than a cop Orrex Sep 2017 #9
And in the case of Philando Castile gratuitous Sep 2017 #12
Trump said ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #10
NRA Has a part in this packman Sep 2017 #11
Innocent cops who get shot by guys with guns out for "revenge" DFW Sep 2017 #13
Still believe this: If you are afraid for your life constantly, and shoot like a hair trigger... Moostache Sep 2017 #14
Not only that but DESPITE the amount of guns in circulation being a cop isn't top ten dangerous uponit7771 Sep 2017 #18
more bullshit ......... I was afraid Angry Dragon Sep 2017 #17
This is the kind of mistake that should, at the very least, cost the shooter his job. Iggo Sep 2017 #19
The only way a cop can get away with a shooting is if they had a "reasonable fear" JonLP24 Sep 2017 #22
Not all cops - but WAAY too many raven mad Sep 2017 #20
The only way a cop can get away with a shooting is if they had a "reasonable fear" JonLP24 Sep 2017 #21

ret5hd

(20,491 posts)
1. To all those questioning why this happened:
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:32 AM
Sep 2017

Please wait patiently while our resident apologist sifts through his years of wisdom to come up with an entertaining but not quite plausible explanation.

Meanwhile, YAY COPS!

---(cue jeopardy music)---

barbtries

(28,793 posts)
16. yeah i got over that ages ago.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 12:27 PM
Sep 2017

they do anything and everything to make sure their compadres get away with the most egregious behavior up to and including murder. that makes them all bad apples pretty much.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
3. Notice how the Fox News comments
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:45 AM
Sep 2017

section is shut down. Contrast with the Fox News coverage of the Minneapolis woman shot by the officer of Somali descent.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
6. Yes only outrage of a white woman shot by a black cop is allowed in the comments @FOX
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:54 AM
Sep 2017

Otherwise it is support the blue blindly

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
5. Wait til they get the extra military gear . They can scope you out and there won't be any misses
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:50 AM
Sep 2017

With noone alive to tell the tale except police
I hope both men recover soon.
The one on private property ? The crime was across the street How does that work? They shot up his garage and arrested him? Then searched his fathers home?
For what legal reason ? I'm sure after they shoot six bullets into your house you don't dare ask for a warrant . It could prove deadly

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
7. No - they feared for their jobs.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 11:16 AM
Sep 2017

Cops know a citizen with a camera means the end of a career that includes violating people's rights as an everyday enforcement "tool."

IronLionZion

(45,435 posts)
8. That'll teach them
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 11:20 AM
Sep 2017

Record the Police! Except when they're doing things they don't want recorded, then they really "fear for their lives".

The white guy who barricaded himself with the machine gun in his house was not shot, for the record.

Only the unarmed latino across the street was shot and an innocent dog died somehow.

http://www.kcra.com/article/man-62-arrested-in-rancho-cordova-machine-gun-shooting/6424881

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
9. No one on Earth is more terrified than a cop
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 11:27 AM
Sep 2017

Whatever happens, these trained, armored, and heavily armed law enforcement professionals are afraid of impending doom a shocking amount of the time, yet untrained civilians are required to remain calm and professional manner while a crazed cop waves a gun in their face, sometimes after erroneously kicking down the civilian's door at 2 in the morning.

And if the civilian fails to comport himself in a calm and respectful manner, well, then the cop is afraid for his life and can shoot the civilian.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. And in the case of Philando Castile
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 11:39 AM
Sep 2017

As Castile was bleeding out in the front seat next to her, his girlfriend recorded the death with a preternatural calm that probably saved her life. Afterwards, of course, I actually saw comments critical of Diamond Reynolds that she was too calm, and therefore suspicious. I know that if I had been sitting in her seat, I would hope that I would confine myself to gibbering hysterics, but I can't say that I wouldn't wet myself or worse.

But yeah, we live in a society where cops panic and blow away citizens, while the survivors are expected to remain calm. But not too calm.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
11. NRA Has a part in this
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 11:34 AM
Sep 2017

Arm everyone, regardless of ability to reason or training or a real need. Cops now HAVE to assume everyone they encounter is armed .
Fuck the NRA

DFW

(54,371 posts)
13. Innocent cops who get shot by guys with guns out for "revenge"
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 12:01 PM
Sep 2017

They have cops like these to thank.

A lot of the cops out there have no business even carrying badges, much less firearms. Until they are relieved of both, incidents like these two will remain commonplace, and the few loonies out for revenge will only multiply in number. As long as the standards for hiring a police officer are set by guys like Joe Arpaio, this kind of event will remain the norm in our country.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
14. Still believe this: If you are afraid for your life constantly, and shoot like a hair trigger...
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 12:16 PM
Sep 2017

then you are NOT fit to be a police officer and should find work more amenable to your personal constitution.

Not everyone can be a police officer. It is hard work, unforgiving and dangerous. It intersperses long periods of tedious, boring work with bursts of adrenaline fueled chaos. I can't even conceive of doing it myself, but for those who can I have deep admiration.

That list does NOT include any officer whose defense in a civilian shooting is "I feared for my life..."
That has become a cop-out (no pun intended) and is demeaning to the true heroes and loyal servicemen and women around the country.

If you are that scared and that ready to end a life in exchange for feeling safe, then you are unfit for duty and need to quit before you kill again or before you kill the first time. Bravery is feeling fear like any normal person would and then choosing to do the difficult thing, not the easiest. Pulling a trigger on a service weapon should be the last resort of a courageous officer (and even then, in my eyes, by returning fire or in response to a refusal to disarm, not initiating an exchange of gunfire unilaterally), not the go to excuse for trigger happy cowards.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
18. Not only that but DESPITE the amount of guns in circulation being a cop isn't top ten dangerous
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 04:58 PM
Sep 2017

... jobs in America

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
19. This is the kind of mistake that should, at the very least, cost the shooter his job.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 05:01 PM
Sep 2017

He can't be trusted with a gun.

He's too afraid.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
22. The only way a cop can get away with a shooting is if they had a "reasonable fear"
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:21 AM
Sep 2017

I posted the same thing on post #19. If police have a "reasonable fear" than they can use deadly force so if they shoot somebody cops are always going to claim "I feared for my life" but more often than not the cop isn't as afraid as the person they're shooting.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
20. Not all cops - but WAAY too many
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:03 AM
Sep 2017

could have been here, and Jeff Sessions would be way out front, cheering them on.

Militarizing the police is the worst mistake ever.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
21. The only way a cop can get away with a shooting is if they had a "reasonable fear"
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:19 AM
Sep 2017

So cops always say "I feared for my life" no matter if the shooting is clean or not. It's a standard defense.

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