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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumswhy don't they indict Romney?
I mean, they have all the docs needed. His tax returns are held by the IRS. The FEC and SEC have the other docs needed...don't they? It would seem a sure-fire way to submarine the campaign...and it would show the American people that he IS the cheat and dodge that he seems to be...
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Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)They can't do this in the runup to an election. There would be incredible blowback. Especially since this has been known since he filed to run in 2011.
Now, after the election...
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)to try and bring charges at that point would seriously damage Democratic candidates moving forward. If they've got him on these things, it is actually their JOB to indict him...isn't it? Should a campaign get in the way of enforcing the law?
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Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)If it were Joe Local running for mayor of Nowheresville, he would be flambe'd over it.
Just another one of those 'look the other way' deals when it comes to the rich and connected in this country. It wouldn't be 'expedient' at this point.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)not prosecute Rmoney, there are those who will excuse Holder when he disregards the LIBOR evidence and does not prosecute those super-rich criminals involved with it.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)and maybe I'll be proven wrong.. but I believe there is a great
deal more investigating going on behind the scenes in the Justice
Dept than we know.
I imagine there is someone who is looking seriously into
the question of SEC or other felony by Romney. And other
crimes all of us would love to see prosecuted. Obama is a
good man and I believe he will do all he can with the time
he's given to stand up for truth and integrity.
I can't debate re: Holder because I am not well enough
informed.. just expressing a hopeful point of view that I
can't shake, no matter how many cranky posts I read.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Holder, in addition to his recent inactivity while letting the statute of limitations run on felonies involving super-rich criminals, personally helped get a presidential pardon for the billionaire fugitive financier Marc Rich when he was working for the Clinton Administration.
Please see, e.g., Eric Holder "More Deeply Involved" In Rich Pardon Than Supporters Acknowledge
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/01/nyt-holder-more-deeply-in_n_147605.html
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)But, I get your point.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Edwards had to drop out of a presidential race over a personal affair, while Rob-me is still close behind in polls despite outsourcing jobs and dodging taxes. Bush 2 was a draft-dodger, yet was able to attack Kerry's military record and win in '04. Obama still gets harassed constantly about his birth certificate despite being born in Hawaii, yet John McMuffin never got asked for one despite being born in the Panama Canal.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)Marcia Brady
(108 posts)because he'd had several primary/caucus losses.
DCKit
(18,541 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Hitchcock found that one's imagination was far more powerful than anything he could show.
In Jaws, having the shark remain as an unseen terror engaged one's imagination, and fear.
Let people think about what Mitt's up to, let their imaginations conjure up what he's hiding.
Any indictment would take YEARS to complete ...
Let Mitt twist in the wind.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)hadn't thought of it that way...leave the details out there for people to 'fill in' on their own...
I do disagree, however, that it would take years to indict. the facts seem pretty straightforward...
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JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)and see a plea deal play out if the evidence is as damning as I have read.
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KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)Bain is part one. We're about to see a similar demolition about Willard's role in the Olympics...pushing his business contacts for his personal profit.
It's building a narrative that by this fall will stick like glue to most Americans of Willard being a sleezy liar and tax cheat. Richie Rich/Thurston Howell on a jet ski with a dog on the roof.
It's classic political framing that will be studied by political campaigns for generations. Firstly, for the genius of Team Obama to pile it on and, more importantly, the ineptness of Rmoney who kept sticking glass jaws out there to get knocked around.
Bok_Tukalo
(4,323 posts)... unless there is at least one dead body, half a pound of blow, and two sodomized goats involved.
Seriously, indict Romney? Good Lord. This is America, for Christ's sake; not Russia or some other shit hole that pretends to be a democracy.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)but the part about Russia...I am not sure you are kidding or not. You indict criminals regardless of who they are or the station they hold (or aspire to hold). THAT is what it means to be a country ruled by law...not men.
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Iggy
(1,418 posts)highly UNlikely willard will get into any trouble with any of his chicanery.
keep in mind it took the SEC twenty years to catch Ponzi scammer bernie madoff.
Weak, very weak.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)it is not like he was running some hidden scam somewhere? the IRS, FEC and SEC have his name on dated docs that should show he has committed a felony. hell, the FEC went after Edwards pretty damned quick...and while they lost they sure fucked up his record.
and, if you cannot indict him then you can't say he committed a felony...so why bother with the verbiage if you're just going to let it hang out there?
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Iggy
(1,418 posts)you talking about? a whistleblower blew the lid OFF the madoff scam _years_ before the
SEC bothered to truly investigate and bust him.
the SEC went out of their way to enable madoff. that is weak, very weak.
based on what I'm seeing lately-- particularly the fact the five year statute of limitations is about to
run out at the feeble SEC-- related to busting the criminals responsible for the Crash-- I'm not sure
why I should have much confidence they are going to go after Rmoney.
if you want to believe this fantasy, fine, but don't expect me to drink the Kool-Aid with you
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)in order to "submarine the campaign".
Let's get real. Good thing adults are in charge.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)because until they are...the grown-ups aren't in charge.
get real yourself.
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)is that doing their job?
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)if that happens to submarine his campaign, then so be it. are you saying that because he is running he is immune from prosecution?
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)geez louise . . .
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)if they have clear-cut evidence that he committed a felony he should be brought up on charges...otherwise it is just politics.
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)using federal agencies to "submarine a campaign"
anyway - good darned thing it will not happen . . . because ADULTS are in charge
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)i am suggesting that if two or three federal agencies have been given evidence that Romney committed felonies then THEY should do THEIR jobs and seek prosecution. not the campaign. but here's the rub...if the campaign keeps crowing that he MIGHT have committed a felony but nothing is ever done about it...it will backfire.
and what is this fuckery with 'adults' being in charge? are you suggesting that only a child would bring charges? what the fuck are you mumbling about 'adults' for?
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)to "submarine" his campaign
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)if there is evidence...you prosecute. if there is none, then this is all politics that will blow up on the campaign. there is nothing the campaign needs to do. if there is evidence that he committed felonies it NEEDS to be prosecuted. the campaign won't be doing it...the gov't would be...what part of that do you not get?
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)doubt there is much future in running a political campaign . . . so just keep up with whatever you are currently doing
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)but you don't get that...
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)just because he is running for office you suggest nothing be done?
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)whether or not the gov't prosecutes felons? just because it would mean bad press for the felon?
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)adults are running this campaign . . .
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)this is NOT ABOUT HIS CAMPAIGN...why the fuck do you keep saying that? oh, wait, I know...
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)Nixon had an enemies list that he persecuted, and prosecuted through the Justice Department. his attorney General John Mitchell, resigned in disgrace as the investigation unfolded...
one has to very careful investigating political rivals..
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)You are not only right, you have made your point clear enough for anyone to understand.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)take a look at the other posts and see how many agree with the OP
Iggy
(1,418 posts)this ain't going to happen.
nice try, no cigar
DrDan
(20,411 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Justice undone is more inviting to the American public. Once the person is charged with something they start to seem more like a victim, even if only of their own foolishness, for example: Martha Stewart.
It would be very polarizing to take charge a crime far but a good step might be to make Romney resubmit the returns which are wrong.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)that you speak of...there are a couple of limitations that are six years...for filing a false return (IRC 7206(1))...is that the one you were after?
is there a limitation on FEC and SEC filings?
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AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Haven't you previously claimed that the statute of limitations is "7 years"? Hasn't it previously been explained to you that the statute of limitations is not 7 years?
Depending upon the circumstances, the statutory time period is 3 years, 6 years, or the statutory time period does not run at all.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/epch1102.pdf
Filing a false or fraudulent return - IRC section 6501(c)(1).
Willfully attempting to evade tax - IRC section 6501(c)(2).
Failing to file a return - IRC section 6501(c)(3).
In these instances, the tax may be assessed or collected at any time.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)so wouldn't Section 2462 of Title 28 apply here?
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)words with their normal meanings and they are talking about the statutes of limitations applicable to taxes.
The SEC does not enforce tax violations and does not separately have a statute of limitations applicable to tax issues.
Marcia Brady
(108 posts)I know nothing about the law, and it appears to me that RMoney broke the law and should be frogmarched ASAP; however, people who DO know the law seem to think it may not be a crime, or even unusual in the business world. Are you aware that the Washington Post gave the whole flap 3 Pinocchios? In other words, much ado about nothing.
So, who knows??
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)but then why would the campaign risk saying he might have committed felonies if there are none? or at least nothing that can easily be prosecuted. won't that blow up?
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Marcia Brady
(108 posts)Well, because most people don't pay enough attention to get all the details. They hear an allegation, and that's what sticks. The Obama campaign saw an opportunity, and took it. Good for them. Doesn't mean there is enough there to get an indictment.
dkf
(37,305 posts)was it planned by the campaign. That is a pretty serious accusation.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...backtracking by saying the FEC filings aren't as viable as we think they are.
Marcia Brady
(108 posts)Got any links? I'd really like to see anything disputing the WaPo and fc.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)I just had to say that.
Marcia Brady
(108 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)I was having a drink with Marcia and her husband at a bar recently. She turned to me and said "I just found out why people always say my name three times when I introduce myself. Someone just explained it to me! I never watched that show."
We had a good laugh.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)just like he said on the papers, and just like Obama is saying in the campaign: Romney was head of Bain when they were outsourcing pioneers.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...for alleged abuse of power.
Nevermind the basis, they have the votes to do it.
But the point is - the SEC filings are true. It is Romney's campaign statements which are false.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)then the FEC filings are not? i thought that was the issue.
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AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Just as Holder will not prosecute openly admitted war criminals who are walking around free, rich, and happy, and just as Holder will not prosecute banksters no matter how many criminal acts that they engaged in, Holder will not prosecute Rmoney under any circumstances.
An just as some people have closed a blind eye to Holder's misfeasance and malfeasance, and sometimes even made excuses for Holder's failure to prosecuted openly admitted war criminals and banksters, they will likewise overlook Holder's failure to prosecute Rmoney and may even create excuses for him.
Prosecutions of the super-rich are limited to situations in which the super-rich rip off other members of the super-rich. Think of Bernie Madoff. Otherwise, it's-OK-if-you're-a-rich-Republican. It's also OK-if-Holder-doesn't-actually-do-his-job-and-prosecute-open-and-notorious-wealthy-criminals-because-Holder-has-a-D-after-his-name. Think of an excuse. Any excuse will do. "He's got to keep his powder dry" might do.
Iggy
(1,418 posts)want to see how it works for the entitled uber rich:
Zuckerberg gets a $6 Million dollar loan for his house at 1.05%.
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, eh?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-16/zuckerberg-s-loan-gives-new-meaning-to-the-1-mortgages.html
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Why stop the train wreck mid-crash?
just1voice
(1,362 posts)The same reasons torturer camp creators and WMD conspirators aren't prosecuted. Rest assured you and I would be indicted.