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Something to keep in mind, folks. (Original Post) Arkansas Granny Sep 2017 OP
Hear, hear! BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #1
Hear, hear, hear, hear! GeoWilliam750 Sep 2017 #4
It plays into the opposition's hands! Left-over Sep 2017 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #31
I'm with Bernie. We need healthcare Assurance not healthcare Insurance. nt Snotcicles Sep 2017 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #35
On cue. snort Sep 2017 #41
Wow you walked right through the door LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #43
k for visibility riversedge Sep 2017 #2
k2 for more. Keep this in mind. lastlib Sep 2017 #6
+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Sep 2017 #3
Exactly Butterflylady Sep 2017 #5
So true!! flygal Sep 2017 #7
Yup. We need to quit reacting to it and fight the real issue! AllyCat Sep 2017 #8
It's called DIVIDE AND CONQUER... Raster Sep 2017 #9
I hope that there are activists doing the same to the Repugs! n/t Kleveland Sep 2017 #27
+100,000! volstork Sep 2017 #11
During the campaign The Wizard Sep 2017 #12
I'm not sure Russia and the GOP see the world in the same way although there are some similarities. world wide wally Sep 2017 #18
Are Pox News and right wing media The Wizard Sep 2017 #20
Yes to the first question. This has always been their goal. world wide wally Sep 2017 #23
+10 Indeed they are "useful idiots" Duppers Sep 2017 #38
Extremists of all types don't like Progressive dog Sep 2017 #36
Some similarities: rwsanders Sep 2017 #59
K & R n/t TubbersUK Sep 2017 #13
Thank you-k & r bronxiteforever Sep 2017 #14
Kick it. CanonRay Sep 2017 #15
I've been saying this for weeks woundedkarma Sep 2017 #16
I have deliberately stayed out of the Hillary/Bernie arguments. It serves no purpose but to divide. Arkansas Granny Sep 2017 #26
I don't think much influence was needed Skittles Sep 2017 #17
I'm glad you posted this. I'm getting really tired of the circular firing squad here on DU. nt Javaman Sep 2017 #19
Yes, we do know but the infiltrators are still at it. haveahart Sep 2017 #21
Thank you! HootieMcBoob Sep 2017 #22
There you go... disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #24
Don't fall for crap Jakes Progress Sep 2017 #25
This could be an OP Saviolo Sep 2017 #37
+100 Duppers Sep 2017 #39
Thank-you. Chemisse Sep 2017 #42
You should be a moderator, I think you could calm this place down. rwsanders Sep 2017 #60
Exactly! Nitram Sep 2017 #28
I wish I could recommend this more than once. MelissaB Sep 2017 #29
+1 Locrian Sep 2017 #30
THANK YOU!! C Moon Sep 2017 #33
Agreed 100%. K&R nt riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #34
K & R Duppers Sep 2017 #40
That's why I refuse to be drawn into a fight about them. lunatica Sep 2017 #44
Yes, me too. Arkansas Granny Sep 2017 #45
Come on...this shit isn't gonna stir itself! Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #46
Thanks! Roy Rolling Sep 2017 #47
I agree. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #48
Thank you! Paka Sep 2017 #49
I completely agree. MrScorpio Sep 2017 #50
The deeper our split, the longer Republicans are in office. Vinca Sep 2017 #51
Very true. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #52
Hillary and Bernie... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #53
K&R. dchill Sep 2017 #54
just, thank you /nt al bupp Sep 2017 #55
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #56
Amen, Granny SCantiGOP Sep 2017 #57
Russia wins if we think we can't talk about whatever we damn well want to. LAS14 Sep 2017 #58
And Ground Zero of that influence operation is right in this very neighborhood, if joet67 Sep 2017 #61

Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Response to Snotcicles (Reply #32)

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
43. Wow you walked right through the door
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:51 PM
Sep 2017

There is a difference between fighting for a letter in the alphabet just because...and fighting for principles that have and will in the future, define that party with that letter. Kamala Harris and other prominent Democrats are on board so either you jump on or be left behind.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
9. It's called DIVIDE AND CONQUER...
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:54 AM
Sep 2017

...and has worked astoundingly well in the past, and seems to be well on its way yet again.

The Wizard

(12,534 posts)
12. During the campaign
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:37 AM
Sep 2017

I started suspecting posters who were fanning the flames of division. When I went to their Groups and Likes on FB I found almost all Groups and Likes were in the Cyrillic / Russian alphabet .
But the questions are: Why do the Russians and Republicans see the world through the same prism? Have Pox News and the right wing media poisoned Republican minds to the point where they turn on fellow Americans, friends, neighbors and families for the benefit of a hostile state?

world wide wally

(21,734 posts)
18. I'm not sure Russia and the GOP see the world in the same way although there are some similarities.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:23 AM
Sep 2017

I think that what Russia is doing is fanning the flames of divisions that already do exist in America to create confusion, disunity, and mistrust among us. This makes for a much easier target to take down. It's not so much "how" we go down, it's just that we DO go down.

The Wizard

(12,534 posts)
20. Are Pox News and right wing media
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:30 AM
Sep 2017

responsible for turning Americans against each other for political gain? Is the Right wing media acting as an agent of a hostile State?

world wide wally

(21,734 posts)
23. Yes to the first question. This has always been their goal.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:41 AM
Sep 2017

To the second part of the question, I think they are what Russia calls "useful idiots"

Progressive dog

(6,898 posts)
36. Extremists of all types don't like
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 01:36 PM
Sep 2017

our system of government.
The T-party extremists want top down government with them on top. Like all extremists, compromise and negotiation are against their principles. Putin is the kind of leader they want for us.

rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
59. Some similarities:
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:53 PM
Sep 2017

Former soviet states heavily polluted = same under repugs
former USSR heavily authoritarian = same under repugs
former USSR win for MIC = same under repugs
former USSR rule by oligarchs with no say for peons = same under repugs
former USSR advance by bootlicking = same under repugs
why do repugs yearn for a royalty here, and can't handle the idea that WE THE PEOPLE run the country. The piggy billionaires run around hoping to be accepted as royalty in Europe. The whole bunch are really F***ed in the head.

 

woundedkarma

(498 posts)
16. I've been saying this for weeks
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:05 AM
Sep 2017

And you guys still post these articles/rants constantly. Or jump on the bandwagon with a me-too.

Clearly, it's only real when some guy on twitter says it.

This is, of course, how we get fake news.

Instead of thinking for yourself, you wait for twitter-folk or business insider etc to tell you stuff.

Arkansas Granny

(31,506 posts)
26. I have deliberately stayed out of the Hillary/Bernie arguments. It serves no purpose but to divide.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:11 AM
Sep 2017

And while Democrats are bickering amongst themselves, Trump and his ilk are doing damage to our country.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
25. Don't fall for crap
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:04 AM
Sep 2017

that blames Hillary for being a corporate stooge or attacks Bernie for being disruptive. The bots know your weaknesses. Don't let them do it.

Hillary is an honest, hard-working force for the poor and used. She has spent her life trying to do good.

Bernie is a committed leftist. He has spent his life working for the poor and used.

If you can't agree with both of those statements, they you are a victim of troll-bait working.

Saviolo

(3,278 posts)
37. This could be an OP
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 01:44 PM
Sep 2017

Let's abandon tribalism and band together to stand up to the actual enemy: The white supremacist in the White House and the legions of -actual nazis- who are emboldened to come out of the closet and wave their nazi flags and shout their nazi slogans in public without masks. Those are the people we all need to stand together against.

Chemisse

(30,802 posts)
42. Thank-you.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:34 PM
Sep 2017

We need to climb out of the rut dug during the primaries. It doesn't have to be one or the other. They both are important voices at this time.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
30. +1
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:48 AM
Sep 2017

and not just dem vs dem. Also left/right, black/white, dem/gop supporters etc.

Divide and conquer is VERY effective.

Roy Rolling

(6,906 posts)
47. Thanks!
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 06:10 PM
Sep 2017

You are giving me some hope, after reading so many divisive posts. Those of like mind should remain focused on the propaganda targeted at DU members, and call it out for the threat such hyperpartisanship is.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
50. I completely agree.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:24 PM
Sep 2017

As someone who vote for Bernie in the primary and HAPPILY voted for Hillary in the general, I find this entire Bernie v. Hillary nonsense ridiculous.

Mike Nelson

(9,942 posts)
53. Hillary and Bernie...
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:34 PM
Sep 2017

...don't exaggerate their differences anymore - the campaign is over. She doesn't need his tax returns and he doesn't need her speech transcripts.

Hillary had some honest opinions about Bernie and put them in her book. They had their place and, frankly, she made a lot of sense.

Bernie says negative things about Hillary and the Democratic Party and much of what he says about the latter, at least, is worth thinking about.

Neither of them have a major beef about the other... the media picks up and magnifies their words. Hillary gets to write a book and have her say - she's earned the right. Bernie has caught on to the media game and says less about Hillary and more about furthering progressive ideas. Media overplays this friction story.

Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

LAS14

(13,769 posts)
58. Russia wins if we think we can't talk about whatever we damn well want to.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:02 PM
Sep 2017

I'm a dedicated Hillary supporter. But I don't want to participate in this sort of censorship.

joet67

(624 posts)
61. And Ground Zero of that influence operation is right in this very neighborhood, if
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 05:44 AM
Sep 2017

you get my drift. I do so hope that has been rectified by now, but time will tell.

Personally, I'd prefer she go more low-key with her road show. We need some breathing room so the party can sort it all out. 2018 is right around the corner, and we have candidates stepping up right now who feel they have a finger on the political pulse of this moment. I know she has an ox to gore, but we have to get this right.

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