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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNancy Pelosi's Record.
As Speaker, she pushed health care reform through the House twice. The first time it included a public option, despite opposition from the Blue Dogs. The second time, she got it through without the public option to appease the Senate and the House Blue Dogs, much to the consternation of progressives.
She also passed the Lily Ledbetter Act, Dodd-Frank, student loan reform, the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell," and the stimulus. Oh yeah, she also got Cap and Trade through the House, which only died because of the Senate.
Paul Ryan, John Boehner, and every other Speaker since Tip O'Neill would give up a body part for a fraction of her record.
And now she is helping to create a permanent wedge between Trump and Congressional Republicans, and she may well protect the Dreamers in the process.
Tell me again why some people want to replace her as leader of the House Democrats, simply for the sake ushering in some "fresh blood" into that position??
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)An excellent question, the answer to which leads to some very interesting conclusions, I think. People who are attacking Pelosi seem to be on a familiar sort of path we've seen before, I think.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Starting with so called purity, arrogance, ignorance and so on and so forth...ending with wanting her job (corporate honey Tim Ryan)
niyad
(113,290 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,853 posts)for a job or political office and not automatically be misogynist.
For instance, were I to hold myself up as the best possible candidate for the Democratic nomination for President in 2020 (and I'm a female, despite my screen name) it would not be misogyny to point out my utter lack of qualifications or experience for that office.
WhiteTara
(29,706 posts)and so I believe that the effort to eject her is misogynist in basis.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,853 posts)of objections to her that *aren't* based in misogyny? Clearly we disagree here.
While I'm not about to get into a detailed discussion of her credentials, I just want to repeat that it's possible to have objections to a woman without it being entirely or only based in disliking her because of her gender.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris and others) are based on misogyny. It's why those attacking resort to the arguments they make, usually non factual, and the nature of the attacks follow a similar vein.
Pelosi has the creds and the background, the people attacking her do not.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)The calls for "new blood" and attacks against older politicians despite their experience and good records reminds me of people who complain about Boomers. I don't think it is fair at all and I am not even a Boomer.
CousinIT
(9,241 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Then the idea that a smart young person (man) could get things done faster and better. There is no faster and better in democracy. There can be better but it still always takes time. And then there's faster which almost always involves the destruction of democracy and often a level of criminality.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Hekate
(90,674 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)as my grandson calls it. Oh and she's a San Francisco liberal.
Other than those drawbacks, she's the most effective, dynamic, brilliant Speaker of the House in my
lifetime. That's the REAL reason people campaign to be rid of her. She's brilliant.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)she is such a boss. I've been a fan for more than a decade
Lonestarblue
(9,986 posts)Some people simply can't stand to see a woman succeed, and that includes men and women. There's an old canard from (fortunately) many years ago that when men succeed it's on their merits and when women succeed it's on their backs. I think we have finally evolved from that mentality, but there are still far too many people who think that women are just not as smart as men (just as they think that minorities are a lesser species). Women who succeed in business are bad enough, but a woman who succeeds publicly and gets credit for her successes must be denigrated so as to reduce her achievements and her own public stature. I hope to see Pelosi as Speaker of the House after the 2018 election!
Leith
(7,809 posts)For all the reasons you listed. She is extremely good at what she does.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Pelosi is a smart, level-headed congresswoman who gets things done against great odds: fractious Democrats and obstructing Republicans. She imposes needed discipline on her Democratic colleagues while dealing with inflexible Republicans.
mcar
(42,307 posts)tax breaks for rich people.
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)It's far better that he be exposed before House Democrats hand him the reigns.
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murielm99
(30,736 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)Impeachment wouldn't have gone anywhere, especially since there also wasn't a public appetite for it. She made the best strategic decision possible, which was the same decision President Obama made two years later when he decided not to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Bush Administration.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)She knows how to operate and get stuff done. To a lot of people that is "selling out" but we need people like Pelosi who know how to work within the system. There is a very strong anti-establishment current in the country right now on both right and left that wants "new blood" and "mavericks" but that is often not enough to get stuff done in Congress and at worst we end up with people like Trump.
Pelosi is a good example of why I don't support term limits. Experience matters as much in politics as it does in other fields.
Stinky The Clown
(67,798 posts)I'm still unhappy she chose not to pursue Cheney/Bush, but that's about it.
You're right about her record. It is, indeed, remarkable.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'd like to see her have the speaker's gavel again.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)new blood would make the same choice if they were in need of a surgeon. I'm going to bet they would want someone with experience who had performed that operation many, many times.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)What is his success rate at life or death operations every two years?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Nah, couldn't be. Lets ramp up the character assassination just to make things nice and awkward next year.