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Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:04 PM Sep 2017

Nancy Pelosi's Record.

As Speaker, she pushed health care reform through the House twice. The first time it included a public option, despite opposition from the Blue Dogs. The second time, she got it through without the public option to appease the Senate and the House Blue Dogs, much to the consternation of progressives.

She also passed the Lily Ledbetter Act, Dodd-Frank, student loan reform, the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell," and the stimulus. Oh yeah, she also got Cap and Trade through the House, which only died because of the Senate.

Paul Ryan, John Boehner, and every other Speaker since Tip O'Neill would give up a body part for a fraction of her record.

And now she is helping to create a permanent wedge between Trump and Congressional Republicans, and she may well protect the Dreamers in the process.

Tell me again why some people want to replace her as leader of the House Democrats, simply for the sake ushering in some "fresh blood" into that position??

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Nancy Pelosi's Record. (Original Post) Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 OP
"Tell me again why some people want to replace her..." MineralMan Sep 2017 #1
Lot's Of Reasons Me. Sep 2017 #2
misogyny? niyad Sep 2017 #3
bingo WhiteTara Sep 2017 #5
I will say, it is possible to be against a woman PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #15
Nancy Pelosi has impecable credentials WhiteTara Sep 2017 #22
You don't think it's possible for someone to have any sort PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #24
Indeed it is. However the attacks on Pelosi (and other ones on Ninsianna Sep 2017 #30
yep n/t musette_sf Sep 2017 #9
Ageism too. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #20
I'm not one of those people, happy to say. n/t CousinIT Sep 2017 #4
Misogyny first. Control-Z Sep 2017 #6
She doesn't pass the purity test. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #7
The irony is, no one ever will. Go, Nancy! Hekate Sep 2017 #26
A-men! BigBearJohn Sep 2017 #8
She's "shrill" and has a "ga-jina" Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #10
Some idiots are intimidated by powerful women IronLionZion Sep 2017 #11
It's all about visibility. Lonestarblue Sep 2017 #12
rethugs and Useful Idiots Call for Her to Step Down Leith Sep 2017 #13
Combination of misogyny and purity NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #14
And replace her with a pro lifer in favor of mcar Sep 2017 #16
In a weird way I was glad to see him come out in favor of Trump's tax cut. Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author MountainFool Sep 2017 #17
More purity tests? murielm99 Sep 2017 #18
Democrats had the barest majority possible in the Senate. Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 #21
Pelosi is a good old school politician. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #19
I Support Leader Pelosi . . . . . . . . . . Period. Hard Stop. Unequivocal Stinky The Clown Sep 2017 #23
Replace her? She's a strong progressive. Like Cory Booker, she supports cannabis legalization. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #25
I wonder if those folks calling for Phoenix61 Sep 2017 #27
How many tries does the old hand surgeon get? Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #29
Could it just be frustration with being in the minority for going on 7 years? Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #28

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
1. "Tell me again why some people want to replace her..."
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:08 PM
Sep 2017

An excellent question, the answer to which leads to some very interesting conclusions, I think. People who are attacking Pelosi seem to be on a familiar sort of path we've seen before, I think.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
2. Lot's Of Reasons
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:18 PM
Sep 2017

Starting with so called purity, arrogance, ignorance and so on and so forth...ending with wanting her job (corporate honey Tim Ryan)

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
15. I will say, it is possible to be against a woman
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:37 PM
Sep 2017

for a job or political office and not automatically be misogynist.

For instance, were I to hold myself up as the best possible candidate for the Democratic nomination for President in 2020 (and I'm a female, despite my screen name) it would not be misogyny to point out my utter lack of qualifications or experience for that office.

WhiteTara

(29,706 posts)
22. Nancy Pelosi has impecable credentials
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:44 PM
Sep 2017

and so I believe that the effort to eject her is misogynist in basis.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
24. You don't think it's possible for someone to have any sort
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:19 PM
Sep 2017

of objections to her that *aren't* based in misogyny? Clearly we disagree here.

While I'm not about to get into a detailed discussion of her credentials, I just want to repeat that it's possible to have objections to a woman without it being entirely or only based in disliking her because of her gender.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
30. Indeed it is. However the attacks on Pelosi (and other ones on
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:22 AM
Sep 2017

Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris and others) are based on misogyny. It's why those attacking resort to the arguments they make, usually non factual, and the nature of the attacks follow a similar vein.

Pelosi has the creds and the background, the people attacking her do not.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
20. Ageism too.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 05:14 PM
Sep 2017

The calls for "new blood" and attacks against older politicians despite their experience and good records reminds me of people who complain about Boomers. I don't think it is fair at all and I am not even a Boomer.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
6. Misogyny first.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 03:52 PM
Sep 2017

Then the idea that a smart young person (man) could get things done faster and better. There is no faster and better in democracy. There can be better but it still always takes time. And then there's faster which almost always involves the destruction of democracy and often a level of criminality.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
10. She's "shrill" and has a "ga-jina"
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:11 PM
Sep 2017

as my grandson calls it. Oh and she's a San Francisco liberal.

Other than those drawbacks, she's the most effective, dynamic, brilliant Speaker of the House in my
lifetime. That's the REAL reason people campaign to be rid of her. She's brilliant.

Lonestarblue

(9,986 posts)
12. It's all about visibility.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:19 PM
Sep 2017

Some people simply can't stand to see a woman succeed, and that includes men and women. There's an old canard from (fortunately) many years ago that when men succeed it's on their merits and when women succeed it's on their backs. I think we have finally evolved from that mentality, but there are still far too many people who think that women are just not as smart as men (just as they think that minorities are a lesser species). Women who succeed in business are bad enough, but a woman who succeeds publicly and gets credit for her successes must be denigrated so as to reduce her achievements and her own public stature. I hope to see Pelosi as Speaker of the House after the 2018 election!

Leith

(7,809 posts)
13. rethugs and Useful Idiots Call for Her to Step Down
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:25 PM
Sep 2017

For all the reasons you listed. She is extremely good at what she does.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
14. Combination of misogyny and purity
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:29 PM
Sep 2017

Pelosi is a smart, level-headed congresswoman who gets things done against great odds: fractious Democrats and obstructing Republicans. She imposes needed discipline on her Democratic colleagues while dealing with inflexible Republicans.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
31. In a weird way I was glad to see him come out in favor of Trump's tax cut.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 05:40 PM
Sep 2017

It's far better that he be exposed before House Democrats hand him the reigns.

Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
21. Democrats had the barest majority possible in the Senate.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 06:07 PM
Sep 2017

Impeachment wouldn't have gone anywhere, especially since there also wasn't a public appetite for it. She made the best strategic decision possible, which was the same decision President Obama made two years later when he decided not to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Bush Administration.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
19. Pelosi is a good old school politician.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 05:11 PM
Sep 2017

She knows how to operate and get stuff done. To a lot of people that is "selling out" but we need people like Pelosi who know how to work within the system. There is a very strong anti-establishment current in the country right now on both right and left that wants "new blood" and "mavericks" but that is often not enough to get stuff done in Congress and at worst we end up with people like Trump.

Pelosi is a good example of why I don't support term limits. Experience matters as much in politics as it does in other fields.

Stinky The Clown

(67,798 posts)
23. I Support Leader Pelosi . . . . . . . . . . Period. Hard Stop. Unequivocal
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:18 PM
Sep 2017

I'm still unhappy she chose not to pursue Cheney/Bush, but that's about it.

You're right about her record. It is, indeed, remarkable.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. Replace her? She's a strong progressive. Like Cory Booker, she supports cannabis legalization.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:21 PM
Sep 2017

I'd like to see her have the speaker's gavel again.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
27. I wonder if those folks calling for
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:42 PM
Sep 2017

new blood would make the same choice if they were in need of a surgeon. I'm going to bet they would want someone with experience who had performed that operation many, many times.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
29. How many tries does the old hand surgeon get?
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:14 AM
Sep 2017

What is his success rate at life or death operations every two years?

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
28. Could it just be frustration with being in the minority for going on 7 years?
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:05 AM
Sep 2017

Nah, couldn't be. Lets ramp up the character assassination just to make things nice and awkward next year.

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