Singel Payer a fantasy. Require State tax increases that cant be enforced.#Constitution we love

[factfinder_77]

Ifs a funny world we live in were facts "trump's" rhetoric and purity bills.

http://healthcoverageguide.org/states/summary-of-state-tax-provisions-relating-to-health-insurance/

Personal Income Tax
History shows that it was the states that introduced personal income tax into America. The first modern personal income tax system was originated in 1911 by the State of Wisconsin.

Today, most of the states require their residents to pay a personal income tax. These states generally use one of two methods to determine income tax. These two methods are the graduated income tax and the flat rate income tax, and both methods first require the taxpayer to figure his or her taxable income

Ever since the beginning of our history, the states have maintained the right to impose taxes. The Federal Government has always recognized this right. When our Constitution was adopted, the Federal Government was granted the authority to impose taxes. The states, however, retained the right to impose any type of tax except those taxes that are clearly forbidden by the United States Constitution and their own state constitution.

Today, the states acquire the necessary revenue to maintain their governments through tax collection, fees, and licenses. The Federal Government also grants money to the 50 states. With the revenue that the states receive from the Federal Government, taxes, licenses, and fees, they provide public services to their citizens. Examples of these public services are public schools, police protection, health and welfare benefits, and the operation of the state government.

Among the common types of taxes that many states impose are personal income tax, corporate income tax, sales tax, and real property tax. Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, personal income tax and sales tax were introduced in many states because additional revenue was needed to finance public services.

Real property tax has, however, a long history. In 1646, the Massachusetts Bay Colony began taxing settlers who owned property. After independence, many states started to tax property. As time passed, local communities took over the power to tax property. Today, property tax is usually paid to a local government, a school district, a county government, or a water district, but not to a state.

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Taxes/Pages/state-local.aspx

[Voltaire2]

1. The MFA funding proposals do not include any increase in state taxes.

There are multiple funding options: employer payroll tax increase, individual income tax increase, raising the income tax rates on higher income individuals, increasing the estate tax on large estates, etc. There is no increase in state taxes, nor can the federal government directly increase state taxes. However, as medicaid would be replaced, most states would see a reduction in their budget for healthcare. Perhaps that is what you meant? That this would (indirectly) lower state taxes?

[factfinder_77]

5. Sate and local tax deduction will soon disappear

As long as there has been a federal income tax, taxpayers have been able to deduct most of the state and local taxes they pay from earnings subject to Uncle Sam’s grasp. But that deduction — especially popular in states rich in Democratic voters — could disappear as soon as next year if President Trump and congressional Republicans succeed in their promised rewrite of the tax code.

The state and local tax deduction, or SALT, has long been a target for tax-policy wonks who see it as an unwise federal subsidy that is mainly claimed by the wealthy. But politics have always intervened: Thanks to the opposition of lawmakers in high-tax states, the deduction has survived every effort to clear out loopholes, including the last federal tax overhaul of similar ambition in 1986.

Now, Republican leaders have made clear the SALT deduction is on the table, and it has shaken up a number of blue-state GOP legislators who are warning that it could derail the ambitious tax plan Trump is now pushing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/to-make-their-tax-plan-work-republicans-eye-a-favorite-blue-state-break/2017/09/16/c726d506-9a26-11e7-b569-3360011663b4_story.html?utm_term=.a73bbd60db53

[Voltaire2]

19. what does this have to do with MFA?

You seem to be just tossing everything bad republicans might do into your attacks on the MFA.

[factfinder_77]

7. I would recomend some reading on how the sates gets its money..IE Texas

Texas has a very low state tax bill, ranking 45th in state taxes per resident. But Texas has a very high local tax bill—16th highest among the 50 states—because the state “pushes down” to local governments a larger share of costs.

https://therivardreport.com/how-texas-spends-its-money-how-texas-gets-its-money-why-it-doesnt-add-up/

[Voltaire2]

20. And this has exactly what to do with Medicare for All?

[Quixote1818]

2. Your right, lets just give up. We are losers and always will be.

[brooklynite]

3. Fun facts about the Federal Income Tax...

The Federal Income Tax was introduced in support of the passage of Prohibition, by replacing the excise tax revenue on alcohol.

Prohibition was repealed (in part) when Federal Income Tax revenues dropped during the Depression.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Yes yes yes,

the real story,thanks again. Many forget or just never read our Nations funky History about Taxation.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. The sun will eventually burn out. Protons will decay.

Space-time itself will likely rip itself apart in an ever-accelerating expansion due to dark energy.


Truly, there is no point to anything.

[Quixote1818]

9. LOL! Don't Fear the Reaper!

Guess according to the OP we might as well just end it all now!

[Warren DeMontague]

12. dust in the wind, dude.

[factfinder_77]

13. if fedreal income tax increases, state taxes need to be adjusted accordingly making havoc

is that diffucult to understand ?

[Quixote1818]

15. So how did they get Medicare through back in 1966? It's single payer too. nt

[leftstreet]

6. I hope we don't have to give up Medicare for our seniors n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. Is this the "spaghetti" method of arguing? Throw enough sentences at the wall

and see if something sticks, rather than actually trying to construct an argument yourself?

What's your point about single payer? If you have one, then state it, don't just post excerpts about state taxes.

[factfinder_77]

14. You shuld read Sanders funding of his bill, or should i say not funding.

The paper proposes 10 ways to raise funds to pay for the proposed single-payer system, broken into three sections: options to save families and businesses on health care expenses, options to make the wealthy pay their fair share, and options to make Wall Street and large, profitable corporations pay their fair share.

https://thinkprogress.org/sanders-single-payer-announcement-c880718a31dc/

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. That would seem to be a 'yes', then

Really, you've not put together anything that could be called an argument. If you have some way of claiming that the current set-up of various state taxes makes single payer a "fantasy", then explain it. Don't just proclaim it in a thread title, with a hashtag as if that means anything.

Were the words "constitution", "we" and "love" literally added at random?

[Warren DeMontague]

17. Its gonna be impossibly expensive! Perfectly healthy people will schedule brain surgery just cuz

It's FREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[tkmorris]

22. #SpaghettiWeLove #WhoAmIWhyAmIHere #What?

[beam me up scottie]

23. #InPastaWeTrust

R'amen.

[demmiblue]

11. You really are on a roll.

Trash thread, yet again.

[Codeine]

18. Wow.

[Iggo]

21. You're getting a little sloppy with the grammar and spelling.

You should tighten that up.