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?w=620After President Trump made comments over the weekend that players should be suspended or fired for protesting the national anthem, the Pittsburgh Steelers decided to sit out the national anthem.
Head coach Mike Tomlin told reporters before Sundays game in Chicago against the Bears that his team wouldnt be participating in the anthem because
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During the anthem, Tomlin and a handful of coaches stood on a largely empty Pittsburgh sideline without any players. However, one Steeler emerged from the locker room in order to stand for the national anthem.
Alejandro Villanueva stood in the tunnel to the Pittsburgh locker room with his hand over his heart while the Star Spangled Banner played.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/09/24/pittsburgh-steeler-former-army-ranger-stands-for-anthem-alejandro-villanueva/
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)leanforward
(1,076 posts)I've noticed that pRezident dRumpf does not understand when to place his hand over his heart. I no longer respect this CinC. I will stand with those Gentlemen that have served. Country, country, and the American Dream.
I respect the choice of the rest of the team. I believe it is most welcome. They do not, and I do not stand for what the pRezident said at a rally.
Finally, he needs to be impeached. His mouth and tweets hurt us all. It saddens me, that many people think he's great.
Diversity is what made this country great.
Finally, pRezident dRumpf is in the pocket of the russians. He needs to go. Follow the money. The sad thought is so many people voted for him. Don't those folks have the ability to think critically?
JI7
(89,248 posts)if this was the case wouldn't it be better and more patriotic to fight for them to get more than 20 thousand a year ? to raise your taxes and pay them more ? standing for the anthem doesn't do anything for those dying in war for 20k a year. it might make you feel better without actually having to do anything.
<Villanueva played football at Army and served as an Army Ranger before entering the NFL. Last season, he made comments critical of San Francisco QB Colin Kaepernick, whose anthem protest touched off other anthem protests around the league.
"I don't know if the most effective way is to sit down during the national anthem with a country that's providing you freedom, providing you $16 million a year ... when there are black minorities that are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for less than $20,000 a year," Villanueva told ESPN. "It's his decision. Obviously he has brought up the issue in a great way. But I think if he encourages other players or other people in the stands to sit down, it's going to send the wrong message.>
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FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)He's an idiot for being an Army Ranger because the pay isn't high enough?
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Alejandro Villanueva's and the Steelers' National Anthem decision was the result of a 15-minute players' only meeting on Saturday night that finished with a vote on what Pittsburgh would do as a team the following day.
Here are some key highlights from PennLive.com Jacob Klinger's in depth-story on what went down during Pittsburgh's players' only meeting:
The Steelers voted (by a show of hands) on three options for Saturday's National Anthem that were introduced by Ben Roethlisberger:
-- They could stand along the sideline holding hands
-- They could stay off the field
-- Players could take the sideline with some kneeling, some players standing and some of the standing players putting their hands on the shoulders of the kneeling
"The mixed one, that really got eliminated," Chris Hubbard said after the game.
-- Some disagreement remained after the meeting on if Villanueva would be exempt from the team's voted-on decision. "Al was cool with it, with whatever we went through. He was on board. That's Al, man," Hubbard said. "He's a good guy."
Harrison did not think anyone was exempt from the team's decision.
"We thought we were all in attention with the same agreement, obviously, " Harrison said. "But, I guess we weren't."
-- Hubbard said about 15 players spoke before the vote that included Ramon Foster, James Harrison, Cameron Heyward, Vance McDonald, Mike Mitchell, Maurkice Pouncey, Roethlisberger, Villanueva and Vince Williams.
-- According to Cameron Heyward, those who did address the group before the vote "challenged each other and their fellow players not to broken by whatever outcome they reached."
-- According to Hubbard, the vote was split nearly in half, with the decision to stay off the field edging out holding hands while standing on the sideline.
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The end result was Villanueva standing outside the Steelers' tunnel with his right hand over his chest with his teammates just out of sight nearby inside the tunnel.
Hubbard said that Villanueva was OK with his teammates not appearing for the anthem while adding that each of his teammates accepted that there would be an exception for Villanueva. Foster added the team supported Villanueva taking the field to take part in the National Anthem. Villanueva was not available for comment in the locker room after the game, but Roethlisberger offered his thoughts on his team's decision.
"We knew some guys wanted to take a knee, some guys wanted to stand," Roethlisberger said. "We said whatever we do, we need to make sure we stay unified as one group, because thats what were about and thats what we should be about, being together and staying together one unit, one brotherhood.
"So instead of having some guys kneel and some guys stand, the conclusion was made by everybody to stay in the locker room, stay in the tunnel, if you will, and show our respect that way."
Mike Tomlin, running backs coach James Saxon, offensive coordinator Todd Haley and offensive line coach Mike Munchak were the only members of the team that stood on the Steelers' sideline for the playing of Sunday's National Anthem.
This big thing is that we remain united," said Tomlin, who added that he spoke to commissioner Roger Goodell about his team's intentions on Sunday morning. "These teams, man, this game of football is a unique one. Were all blessed to be part of it, man. We all get tolerances because of people that are different because of our association with ball. I think abandon thats involved with ball, has a high level of tolerance, has a high level of understanding. We feel bad for people who arent involved in football. Who dont have the opportunity to have a brother that is very different next to him that he can rely on to gain understanding.
We will not be divided by this. We got a group of men in there who come from different social-economic, background, races, creeds, ethnicities, and religions and so forth. Thats football. Thats a lot of team sports. but because of our position, we get drug into the (expletive), to be quite honest with you. And so some have opinions, some dont We wanted to protect this that dont, we wanted to protect those that do. We came here for a football game today, and that was our intentions.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Do it enough times, and it always morphs into a public referendum on patriotism and who does or doesn't love their country instead of remembering the reasons why the protest even started in the first place...
How many media outlets with wall-to-wall Kaepernick/Trump coverage this past week have even given lip service to unarmed black folks getting gunned down by cops??
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:14 AM - Edit history (1)
I thank him for his service. Calling him an idiot for exercising his right to free speech is idiotic. If anyone has earned that right, he has.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)First, these rights aren't earned, so just picking a nit, there.
Second, the team agreed to do this action as a group. To go against that participative decision seems quite uncool.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Like Kaepernick.
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)Well, then our definitions differ greatly. My definition doesn't include going along with a plan one was part of creating.
Conformity means fitting with mores and stipulations one never actually agreed to in the first place.
And, btw, i support all these guys who are protesting. Villanueva clearly doesn't get that this whole thing is a lot bigger than a frickin' song.